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Articles for improvement[edit]

War[edit]

Why do so many of the On This Day entries concern war? Almost every day there is at least one entry relating to a war. Is it because a large proportion of submitted entries relate to war, or is it because the people who choose entries for the day are obsessed with war? B. Fairbairn (talk) 00:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

The entries are mostly chosen based on article quality; through no deliberate action of any one person, we have many high quality articles about those topics. WP:MILHIST is a very active Wikiproject with lots of members who improve many articles about military history. Your presumption that people are doing so maliciously is a very odd one to make. I'm not sure why your first assumption is ill-intent. --Jayron32 13:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Workshopping a proposal for a new user group[edit]

Valereee and I have been working on a proposal to form a new usergroup whose members would be able to edit content on the main page or its fully protected subsidiaries. Since it directly affects this project, and is based in part on the shortage of administrators working here, we would like to invite feedback on the proposal at User talk:Vanamonde93/Main page editor‎. The proposal itself is at User:Vanamonde93/Main page editor‎. In particular, we would like to hear it if you are opposed to the whole thing on principle, because in that case we would rather spend our time promoting queues than in organizing a large-scale RfC. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 06:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Proposal of interest[edit]

Watchers of this talk page may be interested in this proposal about creating a new usergroup for main page edits. This is the same proposal on which opinions were solicited here some months ago. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Moving date events[edit]

Hi! Just a heads up, the "Victoria Day (2020)" is very confusing. I get that the day moves each year, but the average reader will assume that this is a new holiday. I see that's the case for other holidays, too. Does there need to be a year, at all? -- Zanimum (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Zanimum: Sorry for the late reply. The "(2020)" is so so I can easily figure out which ones need to be moved on a yearly basis. Otherwise I'll never figure it out. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 07:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleted blurbs[edit]

Toddst1, can you explain these dramatic edits: 1 and 2? I understand you were cleaning up the November 6 article. Taking Charter of the Forest as an example, would it not have been more prudent to use the source cited in the article or find a source such as this which a simple search on Google Books yielded?

What other dates have you done this with? You seem to have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

Courtesy ping Howcheng. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@Toddst1: Whether or not you are cleaning up the DOY articles, please do not remove perfectly good blurbs from the OTD pages. Thank you. howcheng {chat} 06:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
As an addendum, I've made an executive decision to remove the requirement for the OTD event to be included in the corresponding DOY page. howcheng {chat} 07:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
@Howcheng: You're not an executive here. You don't get to exempt anyone from WP:V. Toddst1 (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
@Toddst1: Sorry, I am genuinely confused. How is WP:V being exempted here? All I am doing is removing requirement that OTD blurbs have to be listed on the respective DOY pages. Of course WP:V still applies. howcheng {chat} 22:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
...and furthermore, that's not how you clean up an OTD page anyway. If you believe a blurb is ineligible, you move it to the "Ineligible" section (noting why you've done it in the reason field) and you replace it with an eligible one. Black Kite (talk) 22:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Toddst1 I think you're taking a rather strange approach to all this. Better to chill and discuss here before continuing down a dark path. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of List of historical anniversaries for deletion[edit]

This group might be interested that a discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of historical anniversaries is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. --ZimZalaBim talk 15:28, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Gregorian calendar[edit]

Hello. There was a discussion on Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors about whether the Great Storm of 1703 should appear on its Old Stle or New Style date. My opinion is that it we should use the date in use at the time, which in this case would be the Old Style, as per MOS:OSNS for article content ("Dates of events in countries using the Gregorian calendar at that time are given in the Gregorian calendar"). However Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries states "the event should have occurred on the day in question (according to the Gregorian calendar)" so we should convert to the modern calendar. I can see this being complicated and possibly introducing error. Keen to hear any thoughts on this - Dumelow (talk) 10:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

To resurrect this discussion after recent discussions at WP:ERRORs I propose the existing text at WP:OTDRULES (in red below) is replaced with the text in green. This will link the dating of Selected Anniversaries to the MOS - Dumelow (talk) 09:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

  • Furthermore, the event should have occurred on the day in question (according to the Gregorian calendar) in local time, or UTC if local time is not applicable (e.g., not on Earth).
  • Furthermore, the event should have occurred on the day in question in the calendar in use at the time (per MOS:JG). The date of the event should be determined by the local time, or UTC if local time is not applicable (e.g., not on Earth).
Gets my support. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes, support. There seems little reason to be deviating from the MOS in this matter. The only exception I can think of is if there's a date which is for some reason routinely observed in Gregorian calendar, but which was actually Julian at the time it occurred. But I haven't heard of any such cases, and indeed the opposite is probably mostly true (Guy Fawkes on 5 November, Julius Caesar's death on 15 March etc.)  — Amakuru (talk) 11:05, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I support. Much simpler when supporting a date with contemporary references, obviating the need to check and reference the conversion. Jmchutchinson (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Support green text. Blindly following the existing rules makes no sense. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Caps bug on Feb 21[edit]

In "The Siege of Inverness ended with British forces surrendering to the Jacobite army", "siege" should be lowercase, as it always is in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 02:47, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Dicklyon Please report these kinds of issues at WP:ERRORS. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Dicklyon oops, ping fail. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Maybe next time I'll know that. Too late this time. Dicklyon (talk) 04:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Dicklyon well no, I added a comment to ERRORS yesterday morning and it was resolved in a matter of minutes. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Dicklyon (talk) 01:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Requesting inputs & help[edit]

Greetings,

Lot many events like Women's protest March do take place on International Women's Day, amongst them, since 2018 Pakistan women take out Aurat March and is leading to substantial social discourse in Pakistan, with substantial media coverage.

Earlier I requested help to see if Aurat March and/or International Women's Day can be nominated Wikipedia main page 'Ongoing' sub section of Wikipedia:In the news section ?

The Rambling Man suggested me to seek inputs whether it would be better idea to include Aurat March and/or International Women's Day at WP:Selected anniversaries than WP:ITNC.

Please do guide.

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 03:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

1991 Soviet referendum (copied from Template talk:On this day, because I originally posted it on the wrong page)[edit]

It is extremely misleading to say that 70% of voters voted to "preserve the Soviet Union." The referendum was not on whether to preserve the status quo, the text of the question explicitly called for a new structure of government. Carrot official (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

1 September[edit]

I am pleased to see Messiah (Handel) on today's Main page. I suggest Vespro della Beata Vergine to be considered for 1 September, the day the composer dedicated it to the Pope. We don't know if it was ever performed during his lifetime, nor if he would have wanted that. Still, it became an iconic work in music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)