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It's all gone a bit pointless[edit]

WP:IAR makes total sense, it hits the nail on the head and sums up all left-field thinking. It's crucial to Wikipedia. But the Snowball Clause, as is, is maybe a bit pointless. Does it really have a purpose any more, seeing as it isn't policy? Doesn't IAR cover it all anyway? It just seems a little bit nonsensical to me :) --PopUpPirate 23:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, then I'd suggest that, if this clause prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, you ignore it. >Radiant< 12:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I wish everyone else would, too :D --PopUpPirate 23:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Bouncing Snowball.png your case is a snowball, PopUpPirate ;) Benzband (talk) 11:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
        • It isn't a rule, it's an essay. I have noticed a lot of editors treating it as a policy, though, which does have me concerned. I'm in agreement with PopUpPirate. --Jackson Peebles (talk) 01:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Pointless pictures[edit]

IMO the pictures add nothing to the article and should be removed. "Snowball's chance in Hell" is a well-known idiom that does not need illustrating, and indeed it's become so transparent in meaning that the pictures only serve to confuse. (talk) 19:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

"Snowball's chance in Hell" may be a well-known and often-used idiom among religionist Americans with their rather simplistic theological understanding and overall simplistic world view, but certainly not among the entirety of the English-speaking world. It is a very bad name for a Wikipedia guideline. ♆ CUSH ♆ 11:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I actually rather enjoyed the pictures and their captions. :) thisisace (talk) 11:12, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree with cush that this is not well-know to everyone, though I do not necessarily agree with his views toward religion. I am an atheist myself, although I would certainly not consider religion to be damaging to society, as his userpage states. As for the pictures, I agree with ThisIsAce FrodoBaggins (blackhat999) (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Snowballs known to be in hell since 1300.[edit]

Dante tells us in his Divina Commedia that in the deepest division of hell, we find Brutus and Judas, locked in a block of ice. What can this be but a giant snow-ball surrounding these two traitors? --Koosg (talk) 10:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, but how do you get the snowball past the 7th Circle to get to the 9th? --Philosopher Let us reason together. 07:54, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Not what I expected[edit]

Coming onto this page, I expected it to be about "snowballing" in the sense of an issue that continuously gains momentum until it becomes extremely difficult to overcome (such as debt with high interest, [example on WP], or an actual snowball rolling down a very large hill). Is there a WP page concerning this sense of "snowballing"? [Edit: forgot signature, I'm on an iPad and I am unused to WP on it.] RETheUgly (talk) 16:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


I'm tempted to introduce WP:AVALANCHE linking to a new section in here.

Often (at least over at WP:RFD) we refer to SNOWBALL but often we mean a large majority opinion in favour of a proposal, not against it, which is the gist of SNOWBALL (although some sections are neutral on the matter). While I could just WP:BOLDly add the shortcut, it would seem itself WP:RFD#D2 confusing unless there is some wording to state this at the target here, and for that I would rather have consensus first (rather than WP:BRD).

#Not what I expected, immediately above, expresses a similar sentiment, but I have a concrete proposal. It would look something like this:

An avalanche is a set of responses to a proposal where a vast majority are in favour of it, not against it. While made of the same stuff as a snowball, it has a moving force that is hard to stop. These guidelines apply to avalanches too.

I should appreciate your views. Pinging Ivanvector, Tavix, Champion, Lenticel, Thryduulf as regulars at RfD. (Perhaps I should have started this discussion at WT:RFD, I dunno, but it applies as much to any other discussion page.) Si Trew (talk) 07:10, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Comment I did consider drafting an essay or e.g. calling it WP:BULLDOZER but this has a nice symmetry, and I think SNOWBALL covers it, but focuses on discussions where the majority is against a proposal, and I think we need to distinguish the two cases in closing remarks &c. I can see, however, that this proposal itself will be a WP:SNOWBALL as "no need for it" etc. Si Trew (talk) 07:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


If one wanted to seek a consensus to request an early close of an RfC, without specifying the result one way or the other, would that be considered a proposal for a SNOW close? ―Mandruss  23:23, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Please ping me if there is ever a response. Thanks. ―Mandruss  04:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)