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RFC for 13 March TFA[edit]

Hey! FYI, an RFC has been opened at Talk:Winter_War#rfc_AD71249 concerning citations in the lede of 13 March. Manelolo (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on any changes in the lead. - Dank (push to talk) 20:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm actually uneasy about running this as TFA given that questions have been raised about NPOV and the fact that there's an ugly "X said, y said” sentence in the lead backed up by nine citations that apparently can't be changed. This is not currently our best work to showcase on the Main Page. John (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I’d like to have a discussion somewhere concerning that. See what people think.—Wehwalt (talk) 01:31, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
It relates to the point above in a way. If an article is so contentious politically that it absolutely needs to have nine citations supporting an awkward "X said, y said” sentence in the lead (and I understand how these things can happen), then it absolutely cannot also be an FA or run on the main page until the situation is resolved. I'm slightly disappointed that this article made it through FAC (recently too) and then TFA with such a glaring problem. --John (talk) 17:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
My preliminary view is that co-ordinators should not lightly question the judgment of two community processes, which both FAC and TFA/R are. I'm reluctant to pull it down on that basis, and with only one editor concerned. Not that I discount John's views, but the RFC isn't exactly resulting in pitchforks and torches.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Update needed[edit]

@WP:TFA coordinators: MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-custom-TFA is old. (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

To be on the safe side, since that page lists the TFA coords, I've changed the names to the current roster, and I've added that page name to User:Dank/TFA#Pages to update when the TFA coord list changes. But when non-admins try to edit today's TFA, they don't see that page, they see a message about cascade protection. - Dank (push to talk) 23:50, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
That's the page that non-admins see when they try to edit the TFA blurb, which is how I found it. (talk) 23:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I just got Johnboddie's computer and tried to edit the TFA. The page you're talking about didn't come up for me; I get a message about cascade protection. - Dank (push to talk) 00:01, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
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Ferugliotherium was a mammal of the Late Cretaceous, around 70 million years ago. The genus was first described in 1986 but misidentified as a member of Multituberculata, an extinct group of rodent-like mammals, on the basis of a single tooth, a low-crowned molar. It is thought to have had a small body mass, about 70 g (2.5 oz), and may have eaten insects and plant material. Its remains have been found in two geological formations of present-day southern Argentina, where it is part of a mammal fauna that includes the sudamericid Gondwanatherium and a variety of dryolestoids. The upper and lower incisors were long and rodent-like, with enamel on only one side of the crown. A fragment of the lower jaw shows that the tooth socket of the lower incisor was very long. Although Ferugliotherium had much lower-crowned teeth than the sudamericids, they shared the same backward jaw movement during chewing and essentially similar patterns in their incisors and on the chewing surface of their molar-like teeth, with small enamel prisms. (Full article...)

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MediaWiki_talk:Titleblacklist/Archive_3#"Protection_for_future_and_archived_TFA_blurbs_and_names" suggests that non-autoconfirmed (not non-admins) see this when trying to edit the TFA blurb. (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks. My guess is that only IPs (and probably non-autoconfirmed) see that page, since Johnboddie didn't see it. Sorry for jumping to a conclusion. - Dank (push to talk) 00:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Blurb note[edit]

Most TFA blurbs have been around 1000 or 1100 characters, with a few around 1150 or 1175. I've been working on April blurbs, and they're clumping around 1000. I can't say yet whether this is a trend (though it might be). I've got an obligation to the Main Page folks not to jerk them around on length ... they have to make adjustments to WP:ITN or WP:DYK if the TFA blurb runs long or short. Since most of them are around 1000 this month, I should really try to get all of them in that general range, say from 950 to 1100. Any objections? - Dank (push to talk) 03:50, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Do you need to make the TFA blurbs that length so that... the headers of the DYK and OTD sections align? Boy the main page is poorly (or antiquatedly) coded, if that's the reason! — Hugh (talk) 21:14, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Generally, the headers don't align, but I need to avoid doing anything that feels to the other participants like they're getting jerked around, like they need to make instant adjustments based on what TFA is doing that day. - Dank (push to talk) 22:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

WT:Today's featured article/April 22, 2018[edit]

There's a lot of editing going on with the TFA blurb (Gloucestershire Regiment), and there's some discussion. Feel free to jump in with comments or edits, and after everyone's had their say, I'll take another look. - Dank (push to talk) 15:18, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Things have settled down now, thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 14:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)