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Wikipedia Asian Month[edit]

Hi, everyone. Next month, a bunch of Asian Wikipedia communities are organizing the Wikipedia Asian Month, an online edit-a-thon to expand Wikipedia content on Asian countries. Would this be something that you guys would like to do? The Tagalog Wikipedia is running the project and I figured I should ask here if English-writing Filipino Wikipedians would be interested in joining this project as well. :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Scratch that: we now have an English-language project. Come visit Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month! :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:19, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I would like to participate to edit the page of the town of San Jose, Camarines Sur. I'm presently employed with the LGU as Web/Network Administrator and doing some historical research that I intend to publish here. Thank you. Geopoet (talk) 07:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I think you already edited the page. I hope that won't count as conflict of interest. ;-) --Jojit (talk) 09:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, you are in conflict of interest, see WP:COI. You must declare this COI on the talk page, using {{connected contributor}} template. COI editing is strongly discouraged, but you can propose changes on the article talk page by using the {{request edit}} template. If you propose edits that are factual, objective (i.e. not promotional), and properly referenced to reliable sources, they will likely be acceptable. -- P 1 9 9   14:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I am less worried about the conflict of interest but that would depend on the edits. Keeping information and statistics on a city's page up to date is OK. Copying-and-pasting the city's promotional tourist website is another matter. Too many Phil city articles are WP:Promotional. If one is doing historical information about one's own city and wants to share that information then that is OK. Remember an article on a city is NOT an article on the city government. A city government does not equal a city. A city is not defined by its government. A city is bigger than its government, exists independently and prior to its government. Governments like to think that they are synonymous with the city -- that they somehow "own" the city -- but they are not and do not. Just because one works for the GOVERNMENT does not mean that one has a conflict about editing the CITY's article, especially the parts unrelated to the government.
Other things to watch out for -- other things that a number of Philppine city articles suffer from -- is WP:recentism and WP:Original research Too many city Wikipedia pages read like the current mayor's homepage. WP:Wikipedia is not a place to publish one's own research. Make sure to cite WP:Third-party sources. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Good points Iloilo Wanderer. I noticed the same things. Often the promotional tone is the result of direct cut-and-paste copyvios (I have commented on this before, see Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive31#Copyright violations).
Even if Geopoet is not adding promotional content, he is still in conflict of interest. @Geopoet: WP:COI is a WP Standard, so if you want to edit San Jose, Camarines Sur, you must follow the instructions at WP:COI. See also WP:COIADVICE for a list of the non-controversial edits you can make. -- P 1 9 9   13:31, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, those are very good observations Iloilo, and very much on point. It's true there are many city articles here that read like their mayors resumes. Promotional and full of local government hype. This copy pasting from (the mayor's) government websites is rampant, and it's not just because people love their mayors. I think it's also an indication of the level of English the people here have, that many (even apolitical ones) would resort to copying directly from the mayors write ups being unable to paraphrase or come up with their own English sentences and summaries. Anyway, that's just my take in this. :)--RioHondo (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I believe COI does not apply to me because of the following reasons:

  • I'm not a native-born resident of the town. I was born in Naga City.
  • I am a freelance researcher by profession and I discovered that San Jose has broken pieces of history which I could build/write through this article, of course, after conduct of research and investigation.
  • Editing this page will not benefit me at all but the reading public. I spent a lot of time to gather articles that were published and cite the source of the information; I even photographed them and published in Commons. I can assure you of my independence. My work with the LGU will not certainly create "bias" on my part because I do my own investigation of facts.

Now, if my edits will not be honored here. It's okay. I can publish it thru a blog. But I formally request to please reconsider it. I believe that Wikipedia remains an "open encyclopedia" so that anybody who has knowledge about the article can edit or even contest it. I believe Wikipedia is still FREE and OPEN. This is the basics that I know. Thanks. Geopoet (talk) 06:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Geopoet, I think nobody reverted your changes. It is still there. Although, I recommend that you cite reliable sources on your recent expansion of the article. Despite that, personally, I welcome your edits. :-) --Jojit (talk) 09:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
@Geopoet: None of the reasons you mentioned above are relevant. You admitted to being a paid employee of San Jose, Camarines Sur. That is what makes it COI. But as I stated above, if you stick to non-controversial edits as per WP:COIADVICE, your edits will be honored. -- P 1 9 9   15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Jojit & P199. It's really reassuring. Yes, I will stick to the non-controversial edits as required and recommended. Geopoet (talk) 02:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Settlements: Article structure[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
With 2 endorsements and no objections, Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure is now officially part of WP:MOSPHIL. -- P 1 9 9   14:30, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I propose that Tambayan adopts Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure for its settlement articles (i.e. cities, municipalities, barangays, etc.). I have already been rearranging articles based on this guideline in the past, without objection it seems. Now it may be helpful to formally adopt this guideline as part of WP:MOSPHIL. I am not suggesting to do a massive retroactive restructuring of articles, just to start using it moving forward as a help in creating uniformity and settling potential disputes. -- P 1 9 9   15:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem with using the article structure. It might help improve many of the articles, especially on cities. Too many of the articles on cities read as if they are copied and pasted from the city government's promotional material, either for tourism or investment. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 12:28, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. I personally do not like that Wikipedia seems to want to put history as one of the first sections on a place article, which is unlike how Britannica and many other encyclopedias do it (usually at the end or near the end). But I think consistency is good so I have no objections to the proposal. —seav (talk) 13:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I also don't like the history section first. Note that the Article structure allows the Geography section to be placed ahead of history. That's what I usually do. -- P 1 9 9   03:30, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

It all too quick for likes of me ... it was only seven days from start to finish, and these days it gets be longer to start my writing. I have a lot to add, but on the other hand, MOS does say much anyway. I think there are only four headings – History, Geography, Economy and the fourth head which could be called Society or Community. Below History there might be Etymology. Geography can be physical geography such as Land Classification, Climate, as well as Barangays, Demographic. Economy can included Commerce, Transport. Society includes any to do with people, such as Government, Education, Health, Religion, Culture, Tourism, and Twin Cities.

Above all, remember that is to be an encyclopedia, not WP:NOTDIRECTORY, not WP:IINFO.

Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Mon 06:19, wikitime= 22:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Unbuttered Parsnip. (Actually from 1st proposed (Oct. 19) to closure (Nov. 9) was 19 days, and you were active on WP every day during that period.) Why reinvent the wheel? There is no benefit in your proposed structure over the existing one. The Settlements article structure serves our purpose really well, and does not in itself contribute to problems with WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:IINFO. -- P 1 9 9   14:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
(As I said, I had a stroke which makes writing / speak difficult. Reading / hearing is OK.)
As see it, MOSPHIL actually contains not much – for instance no mention of Barangays, and like I said, Transport should be a subsection of Economy, not be a longer way from it. At the moment, the sections are not very logically. Etymology it said should be a subsection of History, but has made it an equally section, and before it.
I didn't mean that the structure is WP:NOTDIRECTORY, what I meant is that the lot of garbage that shouldn't in, for example a list of primary schools in a municipality. Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Tue 07:08, wikitime= 23:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Readers of WP should rightly expect to find the same info in the same place whether reading about a Philippine city or an American city, British city, etc. That is not the case yet in most instances, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure aims to create this uniformity. Creating a new article structure will not be helpful to WP readers. As for the "garbage", you can see from my edit history that I also actively remove indiscriminate info when I find it, but that is not the discussion here. Regards, -- P 1 9 9   14:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Kingdom of Maynila[edit]

Was the page taken over by Islamists and nobody noticed? It reads very fringe to me. What in heaven is Kota Seludong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

APEC 2015 Summit notability[edit]

Is the ongoing APEC Summit notable enough to warrant its own article? If we have articles for every UAAP season (like UAAP Season 68, with subarticles on several sports) why not for every APEC Summit? Some relevant pages for discussion: WP:EVENT and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pope Francis' visit to the Philippines. —seav (talk) 23:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Given the guests of honour during the occasion, e.g. the likes of Barack Obama, dismissing it as non-notable would be short-changing it. Blake Gripling (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
We already have APEC Philippines 2015 that was created last April 2015. --Jojit (talk) 01:37, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
IMO, an article on this would be an example of WP:Recentism. That probably applies to the APEC Philippines 2015 as well. That's just me, though. (talk) 12:46, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
There are already existing individual articles for the last 10 APEC Summits. See: Asia-Pacific_Economic_Cooperation#Meeting_locations. TheCoffee (talk) 00:43, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Marcos family[edit]

I've been seeing a lot of traffic about that family for years, and it seems the "rehabilitation" is going fullforce, with even the talk pages in Marcos the Elder becoming forums with content no different from their various social media accounts (yeah, I'm looking at you, Get Real Philippines, Definitely Filipino, Showbiz Government, and Anti-Pinoy!). Can we lock them all down (for Notability and COI, for starters), and heavily wheelback the edits because all they want is to deodorize the family and possibly raise the chances of that fake Oxford graduate winning as Veep? Exec8 knows I raised a similar issue on this at the Wikiconference three years ago.--Eaglestorm (talk) 02:04, 18 November 2015 (UTC)