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Proposal: Changing “Tagalog Wikipedia” to “Filipino Wikipedia”[edit]

Good day Sir/Madam! The national language of the Philippines is “Filipino” and not “Tagalog”. It is supported by Commission on Filipino Language (Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino). These are the links:

1.) 2.) 3.) 4.) Jsnueva1022 (talk) 11:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Jsnueva1022 (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Jsnueva1022. I'm sorry, I didn't get your request. What were you pertaining to exactly? Yes, the national language is Filipino and it is different from Tagalog but aren't we already Filipino Wikipedians? I'm confused. Please clarify. Thanks in advanced. Allenjambalaya (talk) 00:43, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Good day @Jsnueva1022:. I don't get your point as we already have the following Wikipedia in Filipino Languages listed below :
The above list represents the Filipino Wikipedia in different Philippine languages--Wakowako (talk) 06:59, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
─────────────────────────Hmmm... I'm not Filipino, I don't speak either Filipino or Tagalog and I'm not sure how interwiki links are implemented on the various wikipedias. That said, I observe that tl:wikipedia and ilo:wikipedia appear to navigate to pages about Wikipedia on those two wikipedias while fil:wikipedia is a redlink.
(A) If Tagalog and Filipino are two different languages (my understanding is that they are, perhaps similarly different to the difference between Tagalog and Ilocano), and if separate Tagalog and Ilocano wikipedias in those languages exist, should not a separate Filipino wikipedia in that language also exist?
(B) If (A) above is faulty, and Filipino in this context refers to a grouping of Filipino people speaking various languages other than the Filipino language rather than referring to the Filipino language, perhaps fil:wikipedia ought to navigate to a soft redirect (I know that article says, "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided [...]", but perhaps this is a special case) offeriing a brief explanatory introduction followed by a list of wikipedias in the various languages grouped together as languages of the Filipino peoples?.
Just wondering, or thinking out loud manually. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
@Wtmitchell Filipino is "different" in a way that it is considered the national language and not Tagalog. The grammar is actually identical. It is a long story (see Filipino). Both Filipino and Tagalog are not actually different languages but just one language. Filipino borrows a lot of loan words from other ethnic languages such as Cebuano, Maguindanaoan, Bikolano, Ilocano, Kapampangan which Tagalog doesn't do. Tagalog is Filipino; Cebuano is Filipino; Ilocano is Filipino; Kapampangan is Filipino; Bikolano is Filipino; Hiligaynon is Filipino; Tausug is Filipino; Maguindanaoan is Filipino, and the list goes on. There is no need to change Tagalog Wikipedia to Filipino Wikipedia as Tagalog Wikipedia is indeed, "a" Filipino Wikipedia. Surprise! All Wakowako mentioned are all Filipino Wikipedias. So if there will be a move to make a separate Filipino Wikipedia, it will just be a redirect to different Filipino Wikipedias. I'm just guessing that the proposal of Jsnueva1022 is to just change the label of Tagalog to Filipino which I do not agree with. Or is that the proposal? I do not know unless Jsnueva1022 clarifies what exactly does he propose. —Allenjambalaya (talk) 15:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I’m Bisaya but I’m quite sure that the word “kawatan” is not a Tagalog term (which is magnanakaw). Both “kawatan” and “magnanakaw” are used in Filipino though. As mentioned above, there are loan words in Filipino from other dialects. Should the proposal be to change Tagalog Wikipedia to Filipino Wikipedia, that’s something I would disagree. — Emperork (talk) 15:34, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
─────────────────────────Actually, Allenjambalaya, I am pretty familiar with the story even though I'm not Filipino. I lived in the Philippines 1996-2018 and I've participated in the development of both the Tagalog Language and Filipino Language WP articles. I know that a lot of this is messy and still in flux; I'll point out that the lead section of the Filipino Language article currently asserts that Filipino is "a standardized variety of the Tagalog language" and that "there have been observed 'emerging varieties of Filipino which deviate from the grammatical properties of Tagalog'", citing support for both assertions. Agreement between articles is pretty important in Wikipedia -- things get very confused without it. The Philippines is not unique in terms of complications in the language situation (see e.g., National language#Ethiopia, though the details of the complications in the two are not similar at all). I'm not going to vote on the proposal in this section, but I don't think it's a good idea. Offhand, I think the soft redirect approach which I suggested above is the best one to take for now, but I don't plan to propose it officially or argue for it. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 18:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
A "Filipino Wikipedia" would simply look like the current Tagalog Wikipedia. The assertion that Tagalog doesn't borrow words is misguided. "Filipino" is simply the standardized, government-regulated variety of Tagalog, borrowings or not, and even if a government policy says they're different doesn't mean that that's reality. In addition, as Filipino is the standardized variety, doesn't this mean that other varieties that emerge from Filipino are nonstandard and thus not "Filipino" anymore? Mr. Gerbear|Talk 20:21, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't this discussion be taking place on Tagalog Wikipedia, not English Wikipedia? English Wikipedia has no jurisdiction at all over other Wikipedias. (talk) 13:44, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
This is the n-th time we're having this discussion. Whether people like it or not, the fact of the matter is that linguistically, Tagalog and Filipino are the same language. There is no linguistic difference between Tagalog and Filipino that would justify having a separate Filipino Wikipedia, and there continues to be no difference that would justify any sort of split, whether now or in the immediate future. This is also the opinion of the Wikimedia Foundation's Language Committee, which approves projects in new languages, and I remain particularly leery of attempts to "differentiate" between Tagalog and Filipino on elements as superficial as lexicon — of which Filipino words are, for the most part, Tagalog words and vice-versa — as opposed to grammar. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Merge Tagalog language to Filipino language. There is no doubt the two languages are identical. The Komisyon ng Wikang Filipino just wants to complicate things and treat them as two different languages with the latter evolving or having already evolved from the original to form its own unique language, which is far from the truth. All languages naturally evolve and incorporate words from other languages and dialects, including Filipino with other languages in the Philippines. Filipino is therefore still Tagalog, as Spanish is still Castillian. I therefore propose the complete MERGER of these two language articles and use Filipino as the article title, because that is how it is officially and commonly called now in the English literatures. Even Google has that as a language option in its search engine, it says Filipino followed by Cebuano. See for yourself. Tagalog must now give way to the national language just as the following other "national" languages or languages that have taken the names of their bigger nations. Tagalog should also then take the place of alternative name to Filipino, just as Castellano to Spanish, Gaelic to Irish and Magyar to Hungarian.
Spanish language and Castellano language are merged under Spanish language.
Irish language and Gaeilge language are merged under Irish language
Hungarian language and Magyar language are merged under Hungarian language.--RioHondo (talk) 07:03, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 US Banknote Contest[edit]

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Revisions to Delano grape strike article[edit]

Hi all! I am in the process of revising the article "Delano grape strike," so it can accurately capture the involvement and contributions of Filipino farm workers during this event. I would appreciate any and all feedback you have to offer. Please feel free to look at my current revisions in my sandbox (linked on my user page) and discuss on the article's talk page. Salamat! AMRara (talk) 03:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I really support this initiative, although I don't have that much familiarity with the article in question. I'll try to do some reading when I can, but I have to focus on exams nowadays. I'll try to help. (Maybe when you're done with this (or want to take a break from California and wanna do something about Pilipinx history in Seattle, I've been wanting to expand the Silme Domingo and Gene Viernes articles. LOL.) Happy editing. :D - Chieharumachi (talk) 00:56, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

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Requested move[edit]

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:DXAP-TV, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 12:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested page move – Visayan languagesBisayan languages[edit]

Hi all! I have proposed a page move that is related to this WikiProject. Input welcome! –Austronesier (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)