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Disruptive IP editor adding barangay links[edit]

There is an IP editor adding a few random links to barangays in articles of LGU's, see contributions. They all link to non-existing articles or disambiguation pages. This editor is clearly adding these links to be disruptive. Please keep an eye out. -- P 1 9 9   20:37, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

You are right, the editor added link to locations that are odd. But this may just be a novice user trying to help who does not know the rules. 219.103.216.190 (talk) 06:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Longest river in PH?[edit]

Many websites show that the Cagayan River is the longest river in the Philippines, often indicating that it is over 500 km long. But most of these websites are either wikis or blogs or otherwise non-authoritative (i.e. some travel website without proper references). I couldn't find any reliable source (other than EB) for PH river lengths. And since EB indicates that the Agusan River is the longest, I had updated the Cagayan and Agusan River articles accordingly. An IP editor strongly objects to this but can't seem to add reliable references.

It is not that I refuse to believe that the Cagayan River is the longest river, but WHERE IS THE PROOF? As it is right now, the reference used is http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/longest-rivers-in-the-philippines.html, which is far from a credible source.

So I am looking for more input, specifically we need reliable and authoritative sources about river lengths. -- P 1 9 9   16:37, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Anyone having luck finding reliable and authoritative sources? If not, then we're compelled to use EB references that indicate that the Agusan River is the longest... -- P 1 9 9   20:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
I found this geography book at google books. https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=HSfhlDCQ3z0C&pg=PA93 --Lenticel (talk) 08:10, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
I found another one here https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=KBAyvht2J_AC&pg=PA36 --Lenticel (talk) 08:15, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Lenticel for that info. Interestingly it is not very conclusive: one source gives a length of 193 km and the other 353 km. That's a big discrepancy (even if you assume that the 1st source may have meant 193 miles, which is 310 km). At least the 2nd source matches EB, but EB gives a length of 390 km for the Agusan River, which makes it longer than the Cagayan. Still more research needed... -- P 1 9 9   13:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome. Glad to help. --Lenticel (talk) 00:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The lead sentence of the List of rivers of the Philippines article reads as follows, citing Encyclopædia Britannica Online articles in support:

The country's longest river is the Agusan River, with a length of 390 kilometres (240 mi),[1] followed by the Cagayan River and Mindanao River, both about 350 kilometres (220 mi).[2][3]

Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes I know, I was the one who added that sentence. But when I edit the Cagayan River article to say it is the second longest river, another editor keeps on challenging this. That is why I am asking for more reliable and authoritative sources, either to back up EB or prove conclusively otherwise. -- P 1 9 9   12:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Agusan River - River, Philippines". www.britannica.com. Encyclopedia Britannica. July 20, 1998. Retrieved 10 April 2017. 
  2. ^ "Cagayan River - River, Philippines". www.britannica.com. Encyclopedia Britannica. July 20, 1998. Retrieved 5 April 2017. 
  3. ^ "Mindanao River - River, Philippines". www.britannica.com. Encyclopedia Britannica. July 20, 1998. Retrieved 5 April 2017. 

North Luzon West Expressway[edit]

The article for North Luzon West Expressway has gone a long way since its creation by Jeromesandilanico, but it is now bound to the trash can. It is a fabricated neologism for a set of expressways named Subic–Clark–Tarlac Expressway and Tarlac–Pangasinan–La Union Expressway. I nominated its article for deletion, and yet, no agreement has been set by the Tambayan Philippines. Please share your opinions about that article's deletion.TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 10:52, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Dealing with the sections of LGU articles that are written like a list[edit]

It looks like deleting the "Education" and/or "Media" sections of LGU articles may not helpful, as many info there may be moved to a separate list, or if a standalone list is not possible, it can be summarized. Lists are also the problem on the "Tourism" sections, and such sections are mostly written like a tourist brochure. As far as I know, such sections are tend to be written as lists, and the best way to deal with sections, mostly violating some WP:NOT policies, is rewriting them than deleting the info there, that can be deemed useful for the reader. (Pinging Hariboneagle927) -TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 11:49, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

That grinds my gears as well, i.e. anons and/or editors merely listing names of schools and other such institutions on LGU pages. I could've expounded those on the General Trias, Cavite article myself but honestly I would leave that to someone who can better provide an insight in better detail. Blake Gripling (talk) 12:56, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
It's ideal it could be summarized. The norm I try to do when dealing with school listings is to leave at least the colleges, and universities, and sometimes high schools. Schools that only cater to elementary education are often deemed not notable by Wikipedia so I almost always remove elementary school lists. Sometimes even daycare and pre-school schools are listed sometimes mixed with private school listings.

The promotional tourist section are more suitable for Wikivoyage, Wikipedia's sister project so I leave a Wikivoyage external link if there is an article over there regarding the town/city. Major fiestas known in the national or even provincial level should be mentioned. A separate article for these fiestas so it wouldn't give too much promotional weight on the fiestas. Same for tourists attractions. If possible rename "Places of Interest" (or Tourist attractions) with a more neutral term like "landmarks" or depending on the function (mention churches in Religion). Media section is totally unnecessary, this section seems to be advocated by a editor using multiple IPs which just lists the radio stations/television stations that services the locality.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 11:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

What about newspapers? That can be OK. And you may be mentioning one of Tambayan Philippines' most notorious vandals, Bertrand101 (see its LTA case). While he is known for hoax radio and TV stations, why remove the legit ones? Is mentioning radio or TV stations in LGU articles redundant with their respective articles? TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 01:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes in most cases. Mentioning ABS-CBN, GMA 7, the Philippine Star serves in a particular small remote town when its most probably true in majority of other localities is redundant. No need to mention that Globe and Smart offers services in my hometown for example. If the locality does indeed host an regional arm/annex of a national media firm it could be mentioned. Like how Cebu-based Sun Star has regional "versions" in Cagayan de Oro and Manila. If media-related content do get mentioned. It could be a subheader of economy section.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Also for schools we could create a list of high schools (as well as colleges and universities) for each Philippine province. This was done for schools of the United States and have the relevant articles use "See also" (which is simillar to the Main article template used in sub headers) template in Education section.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Loan words in regional language[edit]

Yesterday and today I was looking at Romblomanon language, and I noticed that several of the words listed there are pretty obviously* loans from Spanish. I started putting them into the empty Loan words section of the article, but realized with a sigh that it's just OR until it's got reliable evidence. So I moved all that onto the Talk page (and see below).

None of the references listed in the article are online and I don't have ready access to any of them in print. If anyone in this project is willing and able, that would be a help. The same is likely true of other regional languages.

* Obvious to me— I'm a linguist— but also probably to anyone else. Here's my list. una is in § Numbers, and it may have come by way of Tagalog (see Tagalog language#Numbers). The others are in § Common Expressions.

Romblomanon Meaning Source
language
Source word Source
meaning
guapo manly Spanish guapo handsome
guapa beautiful Spanish guapa beautiful
semana week Spanish semana week
merkado market Spanish mercado market
una first Spanish uno/a one

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 18:28, 16 June 2017 (UTC)