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Individual Engagement Grant proposal[edit]

After a long break due to the closure/reorganization of the Fellowships program, The Wikipedia Adventure is back under an Individual Engagement Grants proposal. Although old endorsements from the previous application are still relevant, should you want to re-endorse, review, or comment on the proposal you can do so at the bottom of the page here: M:Grants:IEG/The_Wikipedia_Adventure. Cheers! Ocaasi t | c 16:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

GuidedTour[edit]

I'm the lead developer on the GuidedTour extension, a tool the Editor Engagements Experiments team has developed to guide users through MediaWiki processes. Although The Wikipedia Adventure is also a game, it seems as though GuidedTour might be a good fit.

Take a look at the documentation, and let me know if I can clarify anything. Superm401 - Talk 22:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have read your proposal before commenting. I hope the above is still helpful though. Superm401 - Talk 22:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

This looks awesome! / Wikimania 2014[edit]

  • First of all, this looks amazing! This is a really great initiative, with all sorts of applications to lots of groups! I really hope this is a successful project!!
  • Secondly - I'm running a bid to hold Wikimania in London 2014; it'll be decided whether we win in a few weeks. We're planning a very substantial public PR push and public engagement tracks/workshops, and I'd love for this software to be a significant destination for this attention. Please let's stay in touch over your progress, and to see how we can integrate this into our event. EdSaperia (talk) 10:11, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Misc for deletion[edit]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure, date August 1, 2013

MfD discussion lessons[edit]

I wonder if it's worth summarising the key points of the mfd discussion somewhere easily accessible? It'd be a good way to show good faith towards the valid concerns raised there, and provide a way to indicate when they're addressed and/or(if they already have been) how. I might be able to give some help on that Sjgknight (talk) 08:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

The key concerns of the mfd discussion were that the game could potentially attract younger editors, and that its tone might attract non-serious or non-competent people. These are fears that we have no actual evidence for. Its also possible--indeed it was designed--to attract editors we do want (but from different demographics than we already have), or from editors who are turned off by the many challenges and general tone of the new editor experience. It might even attract some of the serious academics and professionals who still need an easy entry-point, even though the tone was not aimed at them explicitly (we aimed for college-aged men and women). Also worth mentioning that this might not be the only version of such a tour. Once could be designed to go after academics/specialists specifically. I might make that, or someone else could adapt my code to do it. In any case, the plan is to a) finish building, b) test on a random, controlled sample. Check out the plan at WP:The Wikipedia Adventure/Impact and feel free to add your thoughts. A significant part of the analysis will be not only editor retention and activity, but number of warnings/blocks, and a quality-assessment by the machine-learning algorithm which runs the anti-vandal tool STiki. For child protection, we'll certainly be mindful of any suspicious activity and report it appropriately. In short, though, we can't make good decisions until we have good data, and the plan is to use the design we have so we can get it. Also, if you want to add details from your reading of the mfd below here, that'd be great. Thanks, Sjg! Ocaasi t | c 18:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Category[edit]

Rather than falling under Category:Wikipedia games, The Wikipedia Adventure looks more along the lines of Wikipedia:New admin school that we created in 2007. The Wikipedia Adventure might fit better in Category:Wikipedia Education Program than Wikipedia games. The Wikipedia Education Program category includes the "Wikipedia training for" series. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Potential minor problem[edit]

I tried the first mission and upon the final dialog ("Say hello to Wikipedia") the Hello World* button didn't disappear after clicking it. Thinking I had misclicked, I pressed again yet still nothing happened; but I then checked my talk page and saw I had two messages (which I hadn't been notified of since it was my account doing the editing). What if editors repeatedly click on the button and subsequently spam their own talkpage? benzband (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Benzband, I've suspected this may be an issue and am not sure how widespread the problem is. We've fixed the tour so that it doesn't break if people resend messages, and I have tried replicating this bug and for some reason even if I click 10 or 20 times it doesn't happen to me. What browser are you using? I will ask my code consultant expert if there's a way to error-proof this one so it can only send one message at a time. Thanks for your close eye and for helping me catch the little remaining bugs! Ocaasi t | c 17:21, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
@Ocaasi: I'm using Firefox 25.0.1 on Mac. After trying again I've realized that when I click the button, it posts a message to my talkpage without shutting the dialog, but when I click again it doesn't post a message. It only posts additional messages if I open a new page, with the dialog still open, and then click on the dialog again. (I'm not 100% sure though.) benzband (talk) 17:33, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

My one bicnes[edit]

जय शिवराय Sairaj999 (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

This does not seem very good[edit]

As someone who has edited from an IP before, I have some idea what I'm doing. But I thought I'd try this "adventure" out. The first thing it did was make an unapproved edit to my talk page that appears to have come from me! Not a big deal, but tools should make sure the user knows an edit is being attributed to him or her. The next thing it did was try to get me to create a user page. Sorry, but I'm here to edit things, not immediately try to social network. I gave up at that point, and the overly cute interface didn't help either, since it felt condescending even from my brief interaction. XAilR (talk) 16:16, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey XAilR. Too bad you didn't like the game. There is a clear warning beneath the start screen and on the second step of the game that 'automatic messages are sent to your userpages'. It's literally the second screen you see, with a bold header that says automatic edits. Not sure I could make that any more clear. It appears that this game is simply not for you, and that's ok! There are lots of different ways to get involved on Wikipedia and the Wikipedia Adventure is just one of them. Some people will like the social supportive welcoming and playful nature of the game, and some, like you, will not. I hope you find other ways to get involved. Best, Ocaasi t | c 16:59, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, I guess my complaint there is still that it's not clear about attribution (I assumed those edits would be made by a bot), but maybe that's okay. Perhaps something like "These edits will show up in your personal contribution history" would help, but then again, a message like that might confuse a true newbie...and not being a true newbie, I imagine this isn't really targeted for me. Still, the first message (not the self-posted one) was something that did get automatically posted on my talk page, so if I was a completely new editor, I'd probably take it as an "official welcome" as sorts, likely not knowing better...so I'd worry about driving away some of those new editors who also just don't like the interface or whatever. XAilR (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

"Logo" used for TWA[edit]

The logo used for "The Wikipedia Adventure" is bizarre (cf. File:TWA guide.svg). Is there some sort of previous discussion that led to its creation? Or some documentation about it? If it's meant to encapsulate Wikipedia, it does a fine job of portraying a monster. Killiondude (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Killiondude. I see you've met Phil O'Sophy, our gender neutral, race-neutral, possibly extraterrestrial galaxy guide avatar. Despite the peculiar visual characteristics, Sophy is warm, smart, and kind, just the type of person you'd like to have around as you learn about our community. Sophy is not 'representative of Wikipedia', so much as a nod to our vast mission and its universal importance. Sophy fits nicely in space, is comfortable with newcomers, and has a twinkle inside its eyes. We've gotten lots of different reactions to Sophy so far, but monster is a new one! I assure you, Sophy is a friend and not a monster. Ocaasi t | c 02:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I believe it's more of a "mascot" than a "logo." --MZMcBride (talk) 04:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Reference error[edit]

One to think about. See the history of User:Keerthi 340/TWA/Earth/2 - it looks odd to have four copies of the same text. The error message at the bottom led to a confused edit to Help:Cite errors/Cite error refs without references. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

John of Reading, thanks for the heads up. The repeated content is the only way Guided Tours can have people repeat the game, so that is a somewhat inelegant but best possible for now solution. I'm confused why a cite error is showing up. All the < refs > are closed and there are 4 { reflists } for each of the 4 page 'versions'. Any idea why that error is showing? Thanks again, Ocaasi t | c 15:35, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't know why the parser gets confused in quite that way, but Help:MULTIREF shows how to fix it. On the other hand, we don't want to teach our new editors to write {{Reflist|close=1}} everywhere. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome message[edit]

Substitution of Wikipedia:TWA/Welcome does not work, includeonly tags are not removed. See it in my talk page. --Vriullop (talk) 19:13, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Question for talk page watchers, which placement is best? User:Ocaasi/sandbox[edit]

User:Ocaasi/sandbox Thoughts? Ocaasi t | c 18:10, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes I missed the first sentence above the image, so I prefer first sample with this sentence above the explanatory text, although with no preferences about placement of audio file. The link "Continue on the adventure" is better within <span class="plainlinks"> as it is not really an external link, and it should have a relative url "//en.wikipedia...", sometimes I found "https://en..." and others "http://en...". --Vriullop (talk) 21:02, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Bug with the "back" function[edit]

Hi,

By testing this tool, I used the rewind feature, then I returned to the stage where I was. Therefore, the tool has added twice the same text in one of my subpages: User: Automatik/TWA/Earth. It seems to be a bug; I was in the mission 3. Automatik (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Automatik, thanks for the bug report. That's actually a known bug. The back button in some cases returns to the prior step that has a URL, but because of the way Guided Tours works, sometimes the last step with a unique URL is actually a few dialog boxes back. This does indeed result in a resending of messages and duplicated content. At the moment, there's no way to fix it. We can either have back buttons and a risk of duplicate messages, or no back buttons at all. The game architecture is very simple and we opted for the current functionality despite the 'bug'. Thanks for reporting it. We'll look into a more sophisticated approach once we have new data on how effective the game is. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 17:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:ADVENTURE[edit]

Should probably redirect here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:12, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Loop bug[edit]

When i did the wikipedia adventure some time ago (about 2 months) i happen to find one bug in one of the chapters. Somehow, i don't know the exactly reason, i got stuck in a kind of loop which asked me to input an "edit summary" text, redirecting me to the "Edit Source" page, but whenever i did it and pressed the "save the page" button, it would go back to the previous step asking me to go again to the "Edit Source" page and to re-input the "Edit summary" text, over and over again, as if i wasn't inputing anything.

The only way i was able to complete this was starting everything from that chapter again (unfortunately, don't remember which exactly chapter was it.), resulting in a repeated text on my earth page > Link —Preceding undated comment added 05:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi yes, you need to go back and make an edit to the text not just an edit summary. So you need to make at least one change to the text and then save it. That should fix it. Ocaasi t | c 12:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


How do I post this to a new editor's talk page (if allowed)?[edit]

Hi everybody! I saw this game linked on the talk page of a new editor and found it very cool. Am I allowed to post it to other talk pages? If so, how? (I tried various template formats but nothing worked.) Anyway this game is a great initiative and a fun way to learn editing. Lots of thanks to the team that created it! Madalibi (talk) 03:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Madalibi. To invite someone to play, you can paste this {{Wikipedia:TWA/Invite}} on their talk page. We already have a bot running some invites so there's no need to message people en masse. Instead, just invite those you think would especially benefit from playing it, like new users with whom you have interacted. Let me know if you have any questions and cheers! Ocaasi t | c 05:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Ocaasi! I was thinking of inviting a small class of 5-6 students from Rice University who have just started posting requests at WP China. Since they're college age and appear to be mostly beginners, I think they'd be perfect candidates for the game. Would that be all right? Madalibi (talk) 06:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Madalibi, that'd be great. If you get any feedback from them on the game it'd be neat to know what they think. Best, Jake Ocaasi t | c 06:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Jake, I'll do just that. And I see you're the game's main writer and creator, so double gratitude! SFriendly.svg All the best, Madalibi (talk) 06:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Adventure didn't work.[edit]

'Start the adventure' button doesn't activate when I try to click on it. Is it only for me or for other people too? Thank you in advance for your help. Db9023 (talk) 02:34, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

@Db9023: It works for me, it links to and upon clicking takes me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:TWA/1/Start?tour=twa1 . If the button is inactive for you, perhaps you are using a script-blocking plugin in your browser such as NoScript? In future reports of this type, it is helpful if you note what browser you are using. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Why are you inviting vandals to this "adventure"[edit]

Is it your normal practice to invite editors to this "adventure" who already have 2 vandalism warnings on their talk page [1]? As it turned out, all 4 of that editor's contributions to date have been vandalism. Voceditenore (talk) 12:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:Voceditenore. We are using WP:Snuggle's desirability algorithm to invite likely good-faith editors. This is only a heuristic however and it's not perfect. (Editors with a score of .8 out of 1 or higher are invited). Unfortunately, there may be some lag in the dataset where vandalism can happen. This is the first time I've heard anything of it (out of 20,000 invites), so I'm hoping it's just a fluke. I will keep looking for any more confirmation we need to rework something. Also pinging User:Jtmorgan, User:Halfak (WMF) for some technical assistance on the details. Best, Jake Ocaasi t | c 12:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
It's possible the algorithm doesn't detect deliberate replacement of existing information with false information, e.g. [2], [3] because no "bad words", repeating characters, or blanking are involved, but actually the kind of stuff this editor did was far more damaging to Wikipedia than run-of-the-mill vandalism. I suspect, it happens a fair amount but doesn't get reported here because many editors just revert vandalism and don't bother to warn, or when they do, don't look at the rest of the miscreant's talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 12:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
As Ocaasi said, I think that we should expect a small proportion of error. As you observed, this vandalism was non-obvious from a text processing strategy (which is what the scores Snuggle users are based on). Despite this mistaken invite, it's not clear to me that any harm was caused by extending an invitation to TWA to this user. In fact, some of my research suggests that you can get vandals to stop vandalizing more quickly by being nice to them[4]. --Halfak (WMF) (talk) 19:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Twinkle integration[edit]

I would support integration of a welcome template linking to this tutorial in WP:Twinkle. I use Twinkle and would invite people here if it were easier for me to do so. If someone here makes a proposal at Twinkle then let me know and I will support it. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Awesome[edit]

This is great! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The blue button doesn't work[edit]

Hey guys, I (User:Piotrus alt account) just tried this in Chrome and IE and the blue button "Start the adventure" doesn't work. There's something wrong here, my Chrome install is totally new (library computer) yet it's blocked? You are using some weird code here; can't you just do a regular link? --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Second comment: the small blue button with < symbol is too small. Make the < bigger; ut looks like a dot. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:46, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Third comment: "This adventure always uses edit source". Sigh. Can we just acknowledge edit source scares people and redesign this to use the newbie-friendly and eventually default Visual Editor? --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:51, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Fourth comment: using Visual Editor closes the Adventure and forces people to restart it. That sucks.
Fifth comment: the box popups are often at the very bottom of the screen, forcing people to scroll and look for them. That's annoying. They should be floaters or at least have floating pointers to where they are. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Sixth comment: in the Start Mission 2 box, remove the links to editor and formatter. Newbies can click on them, and arrive at a confusing Template page that doesn't tell them how to go back. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 08:08, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Seventh comment: "Three quick things" comment about signature should introduce the signature button. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 08:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Eight comment: "A solution" introducing the watchlist - it talks about the star, but... the message hides most of the stars. My newbies are confused as they don't know what star. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 08:17, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Two months later - no developer cared enough to respond to my comments here? Disappointing :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:52, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Hi, sorry this got lost. I was understanding that the button doesn't render and instead shows up as just a link? Is that incorrect and the button just does not work for you in Chrome and IE? What version of IE are you using? What operating system is your computer? Would you try altering your screen zoom, because I suspect that one of the background images may be overlapping the button. If you zoom to 100% or lower, it will help me understand if that's the problem, because at larger zooms (125%+) it's possible the background circles are just hovering over the button.
Weird that the button is showing so small for you. Could you send me a screenshot?
We can't integrate this with visual editor yet, for a few reasons. One, we don't want to introduce people to VE until it is default. Otherwise editors won't have it enabled. Two, there are some integration bugs between visual editor and guided tours that are still being patched. It's on the roadmap to make a VE version of TWA, when VE is ready.
Unfortunately I can't make the game work with both VE and edit source, so yes using VE breaks the tour. The best I can do at this point is to instruct/warn people to always use edit source, as you noted it does.
The bottom-screen boxes should have autoscroll to their location so you don't have to look for them. Is that not happening for you? Can you give me a specific step of the tour (look in the url for step= ) so I can make sure autoscroll is enabled?
Good point about the badge templates not having a return link. I will put that on my list of things to fix! Great catch.
Signature button is a good idea, I will add an icon for that and say, "or use the signature button". Thanks!
Good point about the star. I will try to show it as an icon in the guider so it's more obvious and talk about its location so it is easier to see. I'll also try to move the box so it doesn't block the star. Thanks again! Ocaasi t | c 18:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
@Ocaasi: I am glad to hear from you, I was afraid this project was abandoned. Unfortunately, by know I forgot the details of the problem, and it will be a month and a half before I will be able to stop by the same lab we had our activities. I am glad some of the ideas from the feedback were useful. Next time I am using the Adventure with some students, I'll make sure to send more feedback. Cheers! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:36, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Invitation may not be appropriate for serious skilled contributors[edit]

While the "adventure" game may be just the job for many of our younger recruits, I have reservations about extending this invitation to top-grade contributors: those who make substantial, high-quality, serious contributions from the off. These are serious grown-up people, scholars or technical experts, probably with higher degrees. Probably they did loads on Wikipedia before they registered a username. And they are unlikely to be impressed by a cartoony invitation from their "robot friend" to play some game. They are only a small proportion but they're among the ones we most want to hold on to, remember? So I wonder if we could actually miss out those at the *top* end of your "desirability" scale, as well as the bottom end? Failing that, at least could we review the wording and appearance of the invitation, remembering that it's going to a very wide range of viewers? With all respect to your efforts at the Teahouse: Noyster (talk), 09:40, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Noyster:. Thanks for a very thoughtful, probing critique. I could say a lot about what I think happens when people receive this invite, but I'll try to limit the speculation here. So far we don't really have any anectdotal or descriptive data that these invites are turning people off. Anectdotally, we don't have folks giving feedback that the game is stupid and beneath them. Of course that feedback could be selected from those who played/like the game, so we could be missing it. Statistically, we ran a beta test in January and we found consistent correlational increases in the number of edits from those who played the game, so in aggregate it seems to be working. We did use two control groups for that analysis--editors who didn't receive an invite, and editors who received an invite but did not play. The 'player' group outperformed both of those. Of course, that doesn't specifically address those who received an invite, were turned off, and didn't play the game. And that analysis was fairly basic analysis and we didn't complete proper validation of the numbers to really zero in on impact. In May we are going to run the numbers again, this time over a much larger time-frame (6 months) to see the long term impact of a) receiving an invite b) playing the game and c) finishing the game. I will focus on the impact of receiving an invite and see if we can determine any negative effect from it.
As for specifics of the invite, do you have any suggestions? Perhaps we could run an A/B test using a very 'not-cartoony' invite against the current invite.
I really appreciate your feedback. Pinging @Jtmorgan: and @Halfak: for some deeper statistical insight. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 14:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Not sure I have too much "deep" insight to contribute, I'm afraid. I don't know of much previous research on the habits/characteristics of people who are "power IPs" and then register. Anything I could say would only be speculation :) As for A/B testing, it's certainly possible to do. Cheers, - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 00:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm not really worried about this. If you're really a power IP who just registered, you're not going to quit over one funny message. You already know that strange things happen on the English Wikipedia.
There are some cultural issues: Someone commented earlier that "space aliens" attracts males while repelling some females, and I think that's probably accurate. "Cuteness" will attract Japanese people and "fun" will attract people who are hesitant to do anything for fear of making a mistake, while repelling people who want to feel like they're undertaking a terribly serious academic endeavor. I don't believe that it's possible to have a design that is appealing to everyone. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
@WhatamIdoing: Through this could be mostly addressed through skins. Doubt this would be high on the project road map, however... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Turning this into a Wikipedia app[edit]

As a lover of the old edutainment games of the 90's, i was thinking about how this project could be implemented in such a way as to be really engaging to potential editors. What if it was expanded to become a Wikipedia app that is structured int he same fashion as an edutainment game ala Carmen Sandiego, or a point and click?--Coin945 (talk) 11:07, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@Coin945: That's an interesting idea, but for people who never played the game (like me), could you elaborate more on how you'd envision this looking and working? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:42, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Localization[edit]

Can someone help me in knowing whether this can be localised? If can be localised, how to do so? --Rahmanuddin Shaik (talk) 09:39, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

You would certainly have to translate it into the local language (I assume that you're interested in Telugu?). You might also need to check that all of the content is the same, since some Wikipedias have different policies or tools for some details. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you WhatamIdoing, Most policies are similar for Wikipedia, as far as the topics covered in TWA. So, I would look at localising it into Telugu. Can I know which all templates are used? and their locations, in short, need all pages that combine to form this exciting game, Navigating through, I am more confused. --Rahmanuddin Shaik (talk) 18:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Rahmanuddin Shaik. On the project page in the introduction, there is a TOC with links to: Full script and Page index. Those might help with navigation for now. If you do localise TWA for Telugu, please let me know! Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Ocaasi, are you set up for translations at translatewiki.net, or do you have a different system in place? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, WhatamIdoing, for asking about that. When TWA is set up on translatewiki.net, please let me know. I've been asked about this lately, and I want to make sure I can direct people to where exactly they need to go to help translate. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

+1 I'm also interested in localizing this for ta.wikipedia.org, I see that there are a couple of localizations already in place out of which at least catala one seems to functional. It would be great if Ocaasi or someone replies here with a kind of tutorial for localization of this awesome creation. - ThamizhThambi (talk) 13:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, ThamizhThambi. :) In the meantime, if you do localise TWA for Tamil, please let me know! Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

+1 I *love* TWA and am excited to see it translated into more languages. There's been interest recently in localising TWA for education programs around the world. I am here to support that process however I can. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Leader of the free world[edit]

Hi! While I was playing, I chose one of the joke answers. "All information on Wikipedia should be written by someone who swears that the information is true." The reply was this. "Even a priest, a judge, a doctor, an eye-witness, a teacher, or a bread-maker could swear something is true, and if that doesn't happen in a published source which records their experience, in a publication with a record for fact-checking and accuracy, it doesn't matter who says something is true. You can tell the leader of the free world, "It's not that I don't trust you, but please show me your reliable published source." Who is this leader of the free world? I know that Americans often call the President of the United states the "leader of the free world", but this seems rather biased. I wouldn't have minded something like this on a patriotic website or anything of the sort, but I am slightly annoyed at seeing this right after being told about the "NPOV". I'm sure this wasn't intended to be offensive or anything. I really love everything else in this adventure so far though! JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (talk) 17:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I think that it could refer to anyone you want, although you're right that Leader of the free world was commonly used to refer specifically to the US President. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Redundant badges?[edit]

Does TWA check if the same editor got a given badge and gets it again? Or is it a feature that if you complete the same mission again, you get two badges of the same kind?

Cheers, Soni (talk) (Previously TheOriginalSoni) 12:41, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

@Soni: Unfortunately, TWA is not smart enough to know what you've completed before. So, it is possible to receive a duplicate badge. The only way to fix this is manually. In some hypothetical third round of the grant I could imagine trying to build logic for this scenario, but since the only consequence is an extra piece of harmless text on a userpage, we didn't prioritize it. Thanks for your question! Ocaasi t | c 17:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcoming: proposal[edit]

Hello Adventurers, thought I should maybe draw attention to this proposal at Village Pump: Noyster (talk), 07:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Mysterious page[edit]

I found User talk:Art LaPella/TWA/Earth in my userspace. It relates to this project, so I presume it appeared long ago when I clicked some of your Great Adventure links out of mild curiosity. I only discovered the page by accident, so it couldn't have served any useful purpose; it must be some kind of bug. Art LaPella (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Too easy to cheat[edit]

I was observing a group of students doing this, and they quickly figured out they can get the badges without either 1) doing any edits and 2) even reading the boxes. As such, from the educational / assessment perspective, the adventure is not very helpful, as I cannot assign it to my students and use badges as assessment tool; I still have to check if they made individual edits or not. Plus, this devalues the badges, if one can get them doing nothing. Can acquiring the badges be tied to actually making edits, instead of just clicking through pop up boxes? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Is a more serious / simpler language version on the roadmap?[edit]

As I am teaching ESL students, I also realized the language of the adventure is too difficult for them. They have enough trouble with regular English without having to deal with the jargon present here. And, to be frank, the Planet Earth "bub" style makes me unlikely to recommend this tool for my professional collegues (other professors, etc.). Too many of them wouldn't take it seriously and would be put off by the childish aspect of it. Now, I am not saying gamification is bad; I am just saying that IMHO the adventure as it stands is over the top for two big audiences out there - ESLs and middle age/senior groups. Hopefully redesigning the adventure wouldn't be too difficult; there's even no need to loose the graphics and such - just make the language of interactions more... normal. On the final note, I also think that making the interactions/language more normal would make this entire adventure more useful; editors are unlikely to ever encounter another editor who tries to roleplay some sf scenario... I am even willing to volunteer to help with rewrite if there would be will to code an alt "more serious" version of the adventure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

At first login (edited)[edit]

Can we trigger TWA popup to appear at first time login after signup for a new user? Does this already happen on English wikipedia? I would like to know, if this TWA can be triggered as a popup in overlay, whenever a new registered user logs in for the first time. --Rahmanuddin Shaik (talk) 21:14, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Graphics[edit]

Hi, where can I find the graphics [badges, icons, sets, et al] for this project? Are they present on the Commons? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rsrikanth05. Take a look at WP:TWA/Index. Yes, all of the images are on Commons but I think it's easiest to find them by looking through the Index. Let me know if you have questions. Cheers, Jake Ocaasi t | c 17:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Jake. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

What happened?[edit]

Invites don't seem to be being sent out to any new users at present. Why has this process stopped? Will the Adventure return? It could be very valuable if presented as one among a number of options for new editors to find their way into Wikipedia: Noyster (talk), 09:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Noyster! We discovered a number of critical bugs that arose with the new version of guided tours and some other code changes. While we have been fixing them (just finished this week), we turned off invites to maximize the chance people would have a good experience when they played. Pinging Jtmorgan for a bot update. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 10:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi y'all. HostBot TWA invites have been turned off for over six months, and there is no immediate plan to re-start them. It's a matter of time and priorities. Cheers, - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 18:04, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

ADHD[edit]

This is lovely: [5] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Add the ability to suppress automated edits to user page/talk page[edit]

Mostly a thing if any autoconfirmed users try to take TWA, or if someone already has a talk page with actual discussion on it.

Not too much a problem if you are a new user, but for this reason I recommend any Wikipedian that is autoconfirmed to consider that before going to TWA.

For the record, it's good and all, but I'm not satisfied. James1011R (talk, contribs)

Mission 5 - riddle.[edit]

I was going trough the index of pages in TWA and the start of mission 5 stuck me as being odd. For some context, in the end of mission 4 the user is given a riddle and the beginning of mission five covers trying to find an answer to it. At the start of mission 5, the user is given instructions to ask in TWA's version of the Teahouse, is given the text (s)he should post and there is even a "post it!" button that links to Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/1 in the fourth step.

It is quite clear to me that the user would expect that he should edit the teahouse page and add the question there. That however, will not work because Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/1 is fully protected. In addition to that, the user is not given an answer to his question, neither on the page nor in the guidedTour. Sure, the tour does cover verifiability next, which is the answer, but the tour jumps right into that without mentioning the answer.


The expected behaviour would be one of the following:

A) That the user is given a chance to edit twa´s version of the teahouse and then one of the characters of TWA would then answer the question. I do realise that is a pain maintainance wise, but it is surely better than what is in place now.

B) Instead of the current impletion, the following should be done:

  • Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/1 should have an answer to the question.
  • Step 2: Let the button "Drink some tea" go to twa's teahouse (Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/1), no text changes.
  • Step 3: Mention something like "It so happens that another user has asked this question and gotten an answer."
  • Step 4: Provide additional context to the answer and give some sort of context with the verifiability questions that come next.

--Snaevar (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Help project[edit]

Hello guys I am from the help project...Just FYI after a few emails ...we have had a few people ask what all the info is on this page. I guess its confusing to have the Goals and Impact sections here on the main page. Perhaps best to have all that info on a project page other then this page....basicly people are nopt doing the adventure because they dont understand the page. -- Moxy (talk) 21:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

@Moxy: Yes check.svg Done. See WP:TWA/Story. Thanks for passing on the feedback! Jake Ocaasi t | c 21:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Adventure nominated for deletion[edit]

Hi, I'm notifying you of a discussion where I mentioned you because you have been involved with The Wikipedia Adventure. You can comment here: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure_(2nd_nomination). Cheers, Jake Ocaasi t | c 15:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

TWA is used in and recommended by the WMF's Global Education Program[edit]

In response to Ocaasi's post above about the second MfD, I wanted to note here for the record that TWA is both used in the Wikimedia Foundation's Wikipedia Education Program and recommended by the Global Education team in our outreach to program participants. In fact, it is the first training that we link to at Outreach:Education/Trainings. There is also a separate description page about The Wikipedia Adventure on Outreach wiki here. The number of translations of the game already is a good sign for its future. I'm personally tracking and encouraging additional localisations. I'm posting this here now in the hope of discouraging future attempts to delete this content. We use it. We need it. And we love it. Thank you. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 11:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I added our adult intros to the page... Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and/or Wikipedia:Tutorial, That said why would people not like to attract the next generation. Odd deletion proposal. -- Moxy (talk) 15:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Update: at TWA/Portal - added WP:TIPS info[edit]

Greetings, At Wikipedia_talk:TWA/Portal#What_to_do_next I added a line for WP Tips library. Over the last several months, I've been working on improvements to Tips & thought it might be helpful here as well. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)