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109th United States Congress[edit]

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font for changes in membership for individual congress pages[edit]

a couple of us noticed the font size varies for the change in membership for both Senate and the House for each congress (i.e. 114th, 113th, etc.). A suggestion has been made to eliminate the 80% font and standardize on 100%. I think there are more congresses at 80% than 100% font. It shouldn't take to long to do either size.....I thought I'd throw it out to see if anyone feels strongly either way........feel free to comment below......Pvmoutside (talk) 12:04, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

  • I'm the other person in the "couple" mentioned above. The 80% was probably used to squeeze more info into the table. But its font-size seems to stick out visually. There are plenty of other places one could possibly argue for a smaller font size, but then the page will look chaotic. Therefore, I suggest moving all text to the default size, with a few tiny exceptions such as dates in the party summary tables (which might be ok at 100% after all), and the specially-created "Leadership" section contents TOCs. —GoldRingChip 14:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree. The articles need to be legible and consistent.DCmacnut<> 16:11, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Images from pocket directories[edit]

I'm at one of the local libraries right this moment. They have copies of the pocket directories for the 82nd through 113th Congresses inclusive, excluding a few of the more recent sessions. They also have a 600dpi book-scanning device available for public use. I'm really only interested in scanning the photos pertaining to Alaska and a select few other topic areas. However, I can't help but notice that a great many of the images used in biography articles are rather low-quality images scavenged from Google Books and various other places on the web. If folks here want to put together a priority list of requested images, I may be willing to also scan those photos on a later visit. Don't tarry, though, as I have enough going on in my life to where I may not have the opportunity to revisit this after about a week or two from now. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 00:07, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject United States - 50,000 Challenge[edit]

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Requested move notice[edit]

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Request for Comment on United States Senate election in South Dakota, 2016[edit]

Please provide input on the RfC at the talk page of United States Senate election in South Dakota, 2016. This issue has been unresolved since Summer 2016 and requires community input. -- Dane2007 talk 01:11, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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{{CongLinks}} template in Bioguide has lots of unknown parameters[edit]

I was editing Senator Barbara Mikulski's article and noticed there were a lot of unknown parameters in the {{CongLinks}} template in her External links section, so I came to this project looking for an update on the preferred field names and found the same unknown parameters used in the example this project gives in the Bioguide. The errors don't show up on the published page, but when the CongLinks subsection is open in editor, the preview looks like this:

{{CongLinks}} uses a multi-parameter to allow linking to the Bioguide along with several other sources for members from 1991-present. This is preferred.

There is more information available online for a more recent politician such as Hillary Clinton, so {{CongLinks |congbio = c001041 |votesmart = 55463 |washpo = Hillary_Clinton |govtrack = |opencong = |ontheissues = Hillary_Clinton.htm |surge = |legistorm = |fec = P00003392 |opensecrets = N00000019 |followthemoney = |cspan = 19027 |rose = 1897 |imdb = 0166921 |nyt = c/hillary_rodham_clinton |guardian = world/hillaryclinton |worldcat = lccn-n93-10903 |nndb = 022/000025944 |findagrave = }} will return additional relevant links:

  • Warning: Page using Template:CongLinks with unknown parameter "rose" (this message is shown only in preview).
  • Warning: Page using Template:CongLinks with unknown parameter "ontheissues" (this message is shown only in preview).
  • Warning: Page using Template:CongLinks with unknown parameter "imdb" (this message is shown only in preview).
  • Warning: Page using Template:CongLinks with unknown parameter "opensecrets" (this message is shown only in preview).
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  • Warning: Page using Template:CongLinks with unknown parameter "nyt" (this message is shown only in preview).
  • Warning: Page using Template:CongLinks with unknown parameter "nndb" (this message is shown only in preview).

There are only 4 fields listed on the CongLinks template page: {{CongLinks |congbio = |votesmart = |fec = |congress = }}. I suppose those extra fields probably worked a while ago, but were removed at some point, so should I delete the red ones from the Bioguide and whenever I come across the same issue in the future or is there a quick fix to restore those links? Could a bot do it? I don't know how templates (or bots) get created/updated, so I figured I'd start by pointing it out here and hopefully someone will see this that knows how to fix it or can tell me if there's a more appropriate place to bring this up. Thanks! PermStrump(talk) 04:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

North Carolina[edit]

Hi. I want to update the data at North Carolina's 1st Congressional District, and came across this stat pack. For demographic purposes, how should I denote the proportion of white, black, Hispanic voters, etc? Ditto for the 12 other districts that need an update.

Also, where can I find a GIS mapping software that allows the user to split voting wards? Devoted Political Nerd (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Employee Free Choice Act[edit]

I added a couple of new sentences to this article (with refs, of course), but in doing so I realized that the article is primarily about the 2009 incarnation of the bill. In fact, there have been multiple attempts to put this bill through Congress, with 10 separate entries on I imagine that it is acceptable to include them all under the umbrella of the term Employee Free Choice Act, but I don't know if that's standard procedure. How do we keep the various iterations straight? The lead section states the numbers of the two bills from 2009 (House and Senate). Should this be modified to include the other bills introduced under this name? Or do they each need separate articles? --GentlemanGhost (converse) 21:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

If I am understanding this correctly, this is a collection of similar (and similarly named) bills that never became law. If so, I don't think they would each need their own article. WP:NOPAGE has some discussion on when to have a seperate article, and I would think under "Do related topics provide needed context?" they would not need there own article. meamemg (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Great! Thank you for the info. --GentlemanGhost (converse) 22:30, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of List of members of the United States House of Representatives who died in the 2000s for deletion[edit]

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Official beginning & end of terms for members of Congress[edit]

This is a broad topic, so let's try to cover it concisely. There are several issues.

Before the 20th Amendment[edit]

Before the 20th Amendment, there was no constitutional date of their terms, other than the length. As the 1st Congress began on March 4, 1789, all terms are either two years or six years from that date. Terms therefore began on March 4th at midnight (beginning of the day) and the previous term ended at that same time, but it's usually called March 3rd midnight (end of the day). Hence all the so-called "Midnight" actions like legislation and appointments.

There has been some (mostly settled) debate on Wikipedia about whether March 4 or March 3 is what we should call the end date, even though there's no real dispute about the moment the term ended (midnight on the transition between March 3 & 4), just what to call it. External sources, while required by WP rules, have been wildly inconsistent.

This all changed when the 20th Amendment, Section 1 set a constitutional date & time of January 3 at noon: "Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."

Appointed Senators[edit]

The term of an appointed Senator begins when she/he is appointed and qualified.

First, let's cover the qualifications. To be a Senator, one must be at last 30 years old, a citizen for 9 years, and a resident of their elective state. (see Article One of the United States Constitution#Clause 3: Qualifications of Senators.). That's not so tricky. The tricky part is when that appointee has a conflicting job. Often appointees are already elected or appointed officials in local, state, or federal government.

What if an appointee has a conflicting position?[edit]

It's not unusual for a Member of the U.S. House to be appointed to the U.S. Senate. He/she must resign from the House before the Senate term begins as he/she cannot hold both offices simultaneously.[citation needed]. Is my assumption correct?

But what about state officers? Luther Strange, the Attorney General of Alabama, was appointed to replace Jeff Sessions in the U.S. Senate in February 2017. Did Strange have to resign his state office before his term could begin?

In most, if not all, cases, such people do resign before taking the oath and acting in the new job.

Furthermore, in some cases, a newly-elected or appointed Senator has chosen to delay "taking their seat" so they could continue in their state position a little longer. See, e.g., Huey Long. Does that mean that his Senate term did not begin, or that he simultaneously held both jobs even though he wasn't acting like it?

Oath vs. election vs. appointment[edit]

Does the oath of office matter or the appointment/election or the qualification?

Conflicting statutes[edit]

Some statutes conflict with others. For example, some say "oath" some say "election."

Senators and Representatives elected in a special election[edit]

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Article One of the United States Constitution


2 U.S.C. § 21 "Oath of Senators"

The oath of office shall be administered by the President of the Senate to each Senator who shall be elected, previous to his taking his seat.

2 U.S.C. § 25 "Oath of Speaker, Members, and Delegates"

At the first session of Congress after every general election of Representatives, the oath of office shall be administered by any Member of the House of Representatives to the Speaker; and by the Speaker to all the Members and Delegates present, and to the Clerk, previous to entering on any other business; and to the Members and Delegates who afterward appear, previous to their taking their seats. …


2 U.S.C. ch. 53, subch. I "MEMBER PAY"
2 U.S.C. § 5302 "Salaries payable monthly after taking oath"

Each Member and Delegate, after he has taken and subscribed the required oath, is entitled to receive his salary at the end of each month.

2 U.S.C. § 5304 "Salaries of Representatives, Delegates, and Resident Commissioners elected for unexpired terms":

The salaries of Representatives in Congress, Delegates from Territories, and Resident Commissioners, elected for unexpired terms, shall commence on the date of their election and not before.

2 U.S.C. ch. 63 "SENATE MEMBERS"

2 U.S.C. ch. 63, subch. I "MEMBER PAY"
2 U.S.C. § 6301 "Senators’ salaries"

Senators elected, whose term of office begins on the 3d day of January, and whose credentials in due form of law shall have been presented in the Senate, may receive their compensation from the beginning of their term.

2 U.S.C. § 6302 "Salaries of Senators"

Salaries of Senators appointed to fill vacancies in the Senate shall commence on the day of their appointment and continue until their successors are elected and qualified: Provided, That when Senators have been elected during a sine die adjournment of the Senate to succeed appointees, the salaries of Senators so elected shall commence on the day following their election.

Congressional Institute[edit]

Hello! I'm looking for editors who might be interested in helping me update the Congressional Institute article. I have drafted an updated and expanded article on behalf of the Institute as part of my work with Beutler Ink. Editors can review that draft here and a few explanatory notes about it in my Talk page note here. Due to my COI I won't edit the article directly, so I'm looking for neutral editors to review this draft. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done This edit request has been answered. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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Help with Congressional Institute article[edit]

Hi there! I'm reaching out at this WikiProject to follow up on my former colleague's note above, to see if any members would be interested to help update the article for the Congressional Institute. The current article is much too detailed, has inline external links, and content that is promotional and not properly sourced. The new draft proposed trims down the content, focuses on encyclopedic detail and is thoroughly sourced. If you're interested to take a look, the edit request on the Talk page here provides more details. In full disclosure: I have a financial COI as I'm here on behalf the Institute as part of my work with Beutler Ink and I won't edit the article directly; I'm hoping to find uninvolved editors to review the draft. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done This edit request has been answered. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Speaker of the House Infobox[edit]

I have started a discussion about the infobox of the Speaker of the House. it is located Talk:Paul Ryan#Does the President belong under term of Speaker of the House. ~ GB fan 19:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)