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Bot is down again[edit]

No updates in about 4 days and the manual run does not work either. Brad 04:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

This change is responsible of the problem https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AWikipedia_1.0_assessments&type=revision&diff=785312604&oldid=770687996. The bot relies on a certain structure of categories, changing it makes it fails. Kelson (talk) 15:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Kelson. @Fayenatic london: your change has broken 1.0 bot for all wikiprojects. I could revert the change, but am wary of breaking anything else. Is there any solution to this issue? Obviously we can't have a bot that does not work. Brad 20:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
For the record, here[1] are some related changes that I made. That was just mopping-up; the vast majority were made by Cydebot, starting here.[2]
Wouldn't it be better to update the WP 1.0 bot?
Despite the many pages of contribs by Cydebot, I believe that only a small proportion of projects were in the WP 1.0 category; the rest were in Category:WikiProject assessments already. Presumably they cannot have been affected by the change; were they already being processed by another bot? If so, can the latter take over this assessment work from WP 1.0 Bot? – Fayenatic London 22:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Pinging @Jc37 and Explicit: in case they can help. – Fayenatic London 23:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
1.0 Bot is currently rudderless and does not have any assigned maintainer. I'm not fully aware of the ins and outs but it's my understanding that approximately 1000 wikiprojects rely on 1.0 Bot which is not running after your change. The category was clearly explained in a hidden note. So, we can wait two months for the bot to be updated or we can reverse the changes and get the bot back asap. Brad 02:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I've temporarily reinstated category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments as a parent category over Category:WikiProject assessments. If we're lucky, the bot may process the grandchild categories. If that doesn't work, we will need to do a mass rollback on the 4,650 categories moved by Cydebot and myself. – Fayenatic London 06:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Ok, we can wait a couple days to see if the bot comes out of it's coma however, I tried making a manual run which did not go. See 1.0 Bot contributions page. If you go back to the 10th and 11th, you'll see just how many projects the bot updates. Brad 15:10, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I also tried a manual run from User:WP 1.0 bot on "19th-century novels task force", since the first two categories moved by Cydebot were Category:19th-century novels task force articles by importance and Category:19th-century novels task force articles by quality. The manual run did nothing. Then I rolled back the changes on those two categories, which moved them back into Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments, and manually ran 1.0 bot on the same task force; this time it had a result. – Fayenatic London 19:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I just have had a look again, and indeed the category Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments needs to be pupulated back with project categories Kelson (talk) 19:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I tried looking at the project categories that were already in Category:WikiProject assessments rather than Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments, not moved by Cydebot or me. The first alphabetically is .NET, but this was moved in good faith by Gamebuster (talk · contribs) on 4 June; I reverted it. He also moved one of the top-level assessment categories, Category:Articles by importance, so I tried reverting that and Category:Articles by quality back into the 1.0 category, but I confirm after another test that that is not a sufficient workaround either. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
But why is it still updating this table in Category:U.S. road transport articles by quality, as that category is still in WikiProject assessments? – Fayenatic London 22:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
No updates in WP Israel assessments for quite a while. Is this connected?--Geewhiz (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Geewhiz: Probably… It's interesting that you should ask about that project. Among the bot's few contribs yesterday, it seems to be trying to create the required pages for WP Israel: it created Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WikiProject Israel Assessment Statistics articles by quality statistics and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WP Israel articles by quality statistics, each of which is a member of a non-existent category and transcludes a non-existent page. Did you by any chance initiate a process by the bot that would have made it create those two new pages?
In Category:WikiProject Israel I found Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel/Assessment/Statistics, which transcludes User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Israel-related, which has not been updated since 12 June; neither of these was in any assessment category (so I categorised the first one). The bot created the second new page in non-existent Category:WP Israel articles by quality, but the existing articles-by-quality category is called Category:Israel-related articles by quality, so I moved it there – not sure whether that will help. The new page probably shouldn't be needed; there was also already Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Wikiproject Israel articles by quality statistics, which transcludes the same "Israel-related" bot-updated page. – Fayenatic London 21:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Don't see any change, but yes, it was probably me who initiated the process. Last time the assessment stopped working I was told to update it manually with this link: http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/update.fcgi
But I guess it didn't work.--Geewhiz (talk) 05:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that does explain those pages being created by WP 1.0 bot, then. I just tried to force the bot to update "WP Polynesia" (as opposed to Polynesia or WikiProject Polynesia) and it created a similar red-linked new page Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WP Polynesia articles by quality statistics. Evidently, then, the newly-created WP Israel pages are not a sign that the bot is on its way to put things right.
I deleted the new pages. I also went to the link you gave, and ran the bot for "WikiProject Israel", and that worked properly.
Now I have rolled back 150 of Cydebot's contribs, from "A" to "Alternative Views". Let's see if WP 1.0 bot starts working on those projects again.
But I would still like to know why the bot's contribs show that it is still processing the Roads project pages, which have not been moved back into the 1.0 category. – Fayenatic London 15:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Team, are we fixing this issue? I don't understand what was the need for this change at all. Seems to be the source of all trouble. Every few days some update happens on these bots and then everything fails :( —IB [ Poke ] 17:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Is there any good reason to revert all the changes? Then make sure everything is running properly and after that figure out how to make the changes that were agree to so as not to screw up the whole process as has happened. ww2censor (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Well, I reinstated the category page pinpointed by IB on the 19th, and it did not fix the issue. Kelson diagnosed above that that category needs to be repopulated, which means reverting all the changes. – Fayenatic London 07:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
@Fayenatic london: is that the only category to be deleted? The discussion seems to say that the bot is checking some different format of categories to tabulate the table parameters? —IB [ Poke ] 08:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. The CFD discussion resulted in consensus to merge Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments to Category:WikiProject assessments. However, Kelson says ([3]) that WP 1.0 bot only works if the categories "Foo articles by quality" and "Foo articles by importance" are in Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments. So it looks as if we have to undo the merge, i.e. move over 4,000 categories back into that one. – Fayenatic London 08:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I just looked at the assessment page for WP Israel and saw no change. So what is it that you say worked properly?--Geewhiz (talk) 10:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I was wrong about that. I checked the bot's contributions and saw an edit to Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WikiProject Israel articles by quality statistics, but that's just yet another unnecessary newly-created red-linked page. I'll delete that as well. The existing page has a non-standard lowercase p in wikiproject, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Wikiproject Israel articles by quality statistics, which transcludes User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Israel-related. I tried running the bot for "Wikiproject Israel", and it did not generate any changes to the table. Then I reverted the Israel-related categories, i.e. moved them back into 1.0 assessments category, and re-ran the bot. Only then did it at last update the table. This confirms Kelson's advice. – Fayenatic London 16:39, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for working hard to fix this. Much appreciated! 20:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Assessment table updated but now we wait and see if the assessment log will post. There typically are several hours between table and log updates. Haven't see any updates for the A changes you made. Brad 23:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
The A tables are updating as I post this. Brad 00:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Break[edit]

All of the tables and logs for Israel and the A's have posted successfully. Now what? Brad 12:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

The A tables, and Israel, did update, and so did their logs. Therefore I have gone ahead and completed mass rollback of all the project categories that were moved out of 1.0 Assessments on 12 June. There is a weakness in using rollback: it also rolls back any immediately preceding edits by the same editor. So, if the previous edit to the same category was also by Cydebot (e.g. implementing a renaming of another parent category per an older CFD decision), that would have been rolled back too. I have therefore checked my rollback edits, and revised any where the page size changed by anything other than +2 characters. This still leaves the possibility of overlooking any preceding edits by Cydebot that did not change the character count. Well, that's the best I can do. At least we will have the vast majority of the assessments working again. Please ping me if you find any that I missed. – Fayenatic London 21:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I want to thank you for your excellent cooperation in this matter. Looking at the bot contribs, they appear to all be working as they should. If there are any problems left over, they will have to be pointed out as they're discovered. Hopefully some new attendants for the bot will be found. Brad 00:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Long term snafu caused by duplicate project tags[edit]

I seem to always find gigantic trouble. Let's use the Catholicism log as an example. If you look at the reassessed column you will see that through the history of the log that the same articles are constantly being reassessed. This is caused by some manner of a duplicate project banner on the talk page. See the old version of this page as an example; drop open the banner shell and observe two WP:Catholicism tags. If one is removed, the bot halts the repetitive assessments. Another manner of duplication is a page that contains task forces ie: WP:Albums and WP:TheBeatles|album=yes together on the same page.

Nothing too harmful is happening except that the problem causes 1.0 Bot to make edits for no productive reason. There are thousands of articles that have this problem; WP:Women has six entire pages of reassessments daily. Another project had one article reassessing for 18 months! I've picked through some of the smaller incidences of duplication but the problem is too large scale for one or two editors to fix. Brad 14:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Facepalm I just found a triplicate! Brad 16:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll see if we can get someone to look at this. Thanks for flagging it. Walkerma (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I think the best solution would be to have the bot ignore pages that have double tags or I could put in a botreq to clear duplicates. But the duplicates will always be an issue so having the bot ignore and or flag duplicates is the best solution. I've also discovered a few incidences where someone has placed a category ie: project: mid-importance-stonecutters articles within the text of the talk page. This too, counts as a double tag. Brad 00:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Bot is malfunctioning again....big surprise[edit]

The last few days when it comes to posting the logs, the bot is not posting past the D's. Table updates seem to be fine. This is a similar problem we had a couple of months ago and manual updates don't help. Another botreq was recently posted here. God save the Queen. Brad 01:28, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

No way to fix problem if problem are not described properly? Please give an example/link of what goes wrong and explain clearly what is wrong? Kelson (talk) 06:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
WP 1.0 Bot isn't updating the articles by quality logs that are alphabetically past "Dogs"; see Special:Contributions/WP_1.0_bot. Plantdrew (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I think I still do not get it, I see here article William Corvinus reassessed yesterday and "William Corvinus" > "Dogs". Kelson (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
And Football (F) is after Dogs (D) and hasn't been updated since July 2 (Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Football articles by quality log) even though the table is updated daily (User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Football). The question is why is it stopping at the end of D? Nanonic (talk) 19:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, so you are talking about the project names... Kelson (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
One more time: The bot seems to be updating the tables just fine but not updating the logs past any project name that starts with the letter D in its title. There are no logs being updated with the project names from E-Z. Brad 20:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
So I finally discovered the following "smart move"... Unprotect that page and I strongly suspect this will fix our problem. Kelson (talk) 04:45, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
@Nyttend: could you look at the page mentioned above that you deleted then protected which may be the cause of the problem with the BOT. Keith D (talk) 10:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Unprotected. Nyttend (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Looks like that fixed it! Nanonic (talk) 22:23, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
That's my observation too. Thanks for the help: all of you! Brad 03:36, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect link[edit]

The ??? column header should link to Category:Unknown-importance articles, not Category:Unassessed articles. --Jameboy (talk) 23:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Links beginning with double colon no longer work[edit]

A recent change to the MediaWiki software means that links of the form [[::Foo]] have stopped working. There's a thread about this at VPT. I've scanned a recent database dump for links of this form, and have found hundreds of the pages maintained by WP 1.0 bot (talk · contribs), for example 1, 2, 3. It might be worth adding some code to catch this. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

It appears to be part of an existing bug in the bot. All examples I examined correspond to draft pages (often deleted) with WikiProject tags on the talk page so the link would go to the wrong place if the colons are just removed. For example, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Cuba articles by quality log#May 4, 2017 says:
  • [[::Wainwright Libre]] (talk) assessed. Importance assessed as NA-Class (rev · t).
But Wainwright Libre has never existed. The entry must have been caused by Draft:Wainwright Libre. Both the double colon link and the red alleged "talk" link try to link to the non-existing mainspace Wainwright Libre. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


Event Venues articles by quality statistics[edit]

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Event Venues articles by quality statistics has not been updated since 2010 - could someone possibly update it? Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 08:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

User:WP_1.0_bot/Tables/Project/Event_Venues Kelson (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
That page does not get updated very often as it just transcludes the results generated. For instance, look at this very active project stat table history. The Event Venues stats look right to me. Have you looked at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Event Venues articles by quality log? It, and the lists linked from the assessment stat table, show several articles started after 2010. BTW, it looks like a semi-active project so that may be why you are seeing little movement. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot bug[edit]

The Māori task force's quality and importance table is being incorrectly updated. The bot uses "Māori" instead of "Māori", resulting in a bunch of red links to non-existent categories. See this edit. — Tuxipεdia(talk) 04:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)