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Third generation WP1.0 bot[edit]

As discussed above, we have begun working on the third generation version of User:WP_1.0_bot (the current version is the "second generation"). We are planning what features are needed, and we want to get the input from people who are using the bot regularly. I have also started a wiki page. If you are an active user of the bot (e.g., for WikiProject assessments), we would like to hear from you! We are setting up two venues:

  1. User:WP_1.0_bot/Third_generation and the related discussion page, which will be for on-wiki discussion.
  2. We're also planning a Jitsi discussion (audio only) on Thursday, October 18th, 2018, at 1800h UTC (2000h Central European Summer Time, 11am US Pacific Daylight Time).Walkerma (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

If you want to join us, then please sign your name below, and we'll contact you:

Why is bot "stuck" repeating WP Military history?[edit]

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude:
• 23:36, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 23:25, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 22:46, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 22:04, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+541)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
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• 22:04, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki)
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• 21:24, 21 October 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,612)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 21, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)
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As reported earlier, no bot asssessment logs since OCTOBER 8. JoeHebda (talk) 13:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: - FYI today I posted a link to above section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Hoping an expert there can identify why the repeats. JoeHebda (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I've been looking at this from time to time because it's quite puzzling and some projects whose logs I look at don't get updated. I noticed in today's Australian Military History log that there are numerous articles listed as reassessed when their talk pages haven't been edited in years - some are even redirects. There's no duplicate tags nor stray categories added to the talk pages. Could there something mis-coded with the Military History project template that's causing this? --Sable232 (talk) 03:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Bot processing Oct. 22 to Oct. 23[edit]

@Walkerma: and @Audiodude: - Last night starting at 22:15 WP 1.0 bot processed WikiProject Military history a total of EIGHT times finally halting the bot at 04:14 on Oct. 23. I have posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history hoping this issue can be fixed. JoeHebda (talk) 13:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Has this been resolved? I haven't seen the report for days. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

EIGHT DAYS - Bot quality logs "stuck" on Oct. 25th[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) In tonight's November 1 WP 1.0 bot processing it is repeating days (for most WPs but not all WPs) from Oct. 25,26,27,28,29,30 and Nov 1. Example at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Andorra articles by quality log. In addition to cluttering up logs, it is consuming more & more resources each day creating extra logs.

Because the bot is malfunctioning, I am posting at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard. The assessments (first part) seem to be processing correctly. It is the quality logs (second part) that is having a meltdown. After fixing, I don't know if the accumulated multiple repeating logs can be removed with a cleanup job.

Tonight after logs for WP Bihar it once again stopped processing WPs, not getting to "B" to "Z" WPs.

  • 21:37, 1 November 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Military history ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)
  • 21:30, 1 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-105)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 1, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

Instead of processing Biography (military) tables multiple times, it did Military history. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:07, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2, 2018 - enwp10 tool not running[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - Please restart enwp10 tool. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

It's running now. thanks :-) JoeHebda (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2, 2018 - Duplicate WPs on Talk pages[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - Tonight I found duplicate WPs on these articles

In addition while watching WP 1.0 bot processing, after it completes assessment tables (part one), the very first WP for quality logs (part two) is "AFC". At Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AFC articles by quality log are many, many articles with duplicate AFC lines. I added a message here at AFC talk page about removing duplicates. I did cleanup 3 or 4 articles & am now calling it a day. Will check tomorrow. JoeHebda (talk) 02:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Please update the bots talkpage.[edit]

Please see User_talk:WP_1.0_bot. Toolserver has been gone now for years. Who's actually running this bot these days? Is it being run from toolforge now? What's the project name? SQLQuery me! 06:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The bot is run by the few of us left on the WP:1 project, and we maintain it on behalf of all the WikiProjects. The main person who maintains it is User:Kelson, and he is working currently with User:Audiodude on writing new code to try and fix the problem. See User_talk:WP_1.0_bot/Third_generation for some initial ideas. Walkerma (talk) 03:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
BTW, I can't edit that bot talk page, because it's locked. But the "real" talk page for the bot is Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index. Walkerma (talk) 03:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Tracking - November, 2018 - Article quality logs[edit]

WP 1.0 bot creates "Assessment tables" for all articles "A" to "Z". Since October 8, the bot processes "quality logs" only for WPs "A" to part-way thru "B" stopping after WP Bihar. So for WPs "C" to "Z", no logs since October 8.

For example at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Catholicism articles by quality log.

Date Log created Comment
November 1 None -
November 2 None -
November 3 None -
November 4 None -
November 5 Bot blocked Malfunctioning
November 6 - -
November 7 - -
November 8 - -
November 9 - -
November 10 - -
November 11 - -
November 12
November 13
November 14
November 15
November 16
November 17
November 18
November 19
November 20
November 21
November 22
November 23
November 24
November 25
November 26
November 27
November 28
November 29
November 30

This bot behavior is reported at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation seeking a search tool to find duplicate WPs on article talk pages. JoeHebda (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

November 3, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot processing[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - From last night's bot processing, at WP Bihar it created logs for Oct. 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, Nov. 1, 2, 3. Then it stopped "quality logs" and switched back to "assessment table" for WP Military history, which it ran only once & did not repeat-run Biography (military) at all.

Missing template for WP Bihar[edit]

It looks like WikiProject Bihar is actually a taskforce/subproject of WikiProject India. On an article I attempted to add {{WikiProject Bihar}} and it redlined = no template. I have zero knowledge of how WPs are created & setup correctly. Does the WP1.0bot expect there to be a template for every wikiproject? Could this be causing the "quality logs" blockage? JoeHebda (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: Regardless of how you are adding the WikiProject template, you should WP:PREVIEW your edits before saving to ensure that the template really exists. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Redrose64: - As I stated above I have zero knowledge of how WPs are created & setup correctly. So I have not done anything for WP Bihar, hoping an expert would fix this issue. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Not all WikiProjects have templates. In some cases (such as Women in Red), this is intentional; in others (like Bihar), it is because the "WikiProject" is actually a task force within a larger WikiProject (in this case India), which has its own template. See WP:COUNCIL. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I have created {{WikiProject Bihar}} as a wrapper template, so it works just as if there was a standalone {{WikiProject Bihar}} template.
@JoeHebda: it was entirely reasonable of you to be expect to be able to simply add {{WikiProject Bihar}}. Unfortunately, @Redrose64 has decided for some reason to make this point on which they will make editors' live difficult. I have had several long discussions about this with Redrose64, most recently this evening, but the obstryuctiveness is unmovable. So I suggest simply ignoring Redrose64. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
It's not about "obstryuctiveness", whatever that is. It's about you (that is, both of you) taking responsibility for your actions, instead of leaving a mess that you then expect others to clear up. If you had fixed these problems at the time that they happened, only you would have known that there had been a problem, and nobody would be complaining. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  1. There was no "mess". Just a few missing redirects and wrappers.
  2. I thought that my previous work a few years ago had ensured that there was a complete set of country-project banners, but this AWB run revealed a few exceptions. I took responsibility by fixing the problem as soon as I became aware of it.
Now @Redrose64, enough already from you. Stop wasting the tine of other editors, and stop harassing editors who are finding solutions. Your latest response chooses to try to score points off my typo, which is a good indication that you have nothing substantive to offer. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:43, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl: - I concur. Digging back through Archives, I find this bot was Created on 4 February 2007 and the original bot predates that. And records in Archives show on-going problems not solved. So here I am, struggling to just report issues & asking for Expert help because I do not have the skillset to fix it myself. After my 44 years in the computer industry it is personally frustrating to not find a solution. Starting to help Wikipedia in 2014, IMO this specific bot is VERY COMPLICATED. And unfortunately the bot's original author(s), maintainers & bot operator have all moved on. So who is "left standing"?
Since WP1.0bot is driven by Wikiprojects, if they are not coded correctly (one of the problems), it disrupts bot processing from what I can see in the botlogs.

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CC to (AdamdaleyRedrose64audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 15:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Date timestamps, corruption[edit]

More bot news for (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - On some Wikiprojects, for "quality logs" the bot switches back to dates of 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.


• 21:47, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-73,593)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/American Civil War articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 25, 2018 (2G r541) [chunk 2 of 2])

  • 21:47, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-496)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/American Animation articles by quality log ‎ (Log for June 15, 2011 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 8]) (current)

Processing dates 2009 to 2011

  • 21:36, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-96,773)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/American Animation articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 6 of 6]) (Tag: Replaced)

• 21:35, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+99)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Amateur radio articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 3, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)


•21:24, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+4)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abu Dhabi articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 25, 2018 (2G r541))

  • 21:24, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+10,804)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abortion articles by quality log ‎ (Log for March 27, 2011 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 2]) (current)

Processing dates 2009 to 2011

  • 21:22, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-96,510)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abortion articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 3 of 3]) (Tag: Replaced)

•21:22, 3 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+769)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Abkhazia articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 2, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)


Is there a database file where "WP1.0bot" stores these dates? Wondering if another bot in error is overwriting the date-timestamps?JoeHebda (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

JoeHebda (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

November 4, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot "quality logs"[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - Logs from last night show even more WPs with bad processing dates & processing times.


Stopped after running for many hours

  • 03:52, 5 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-264)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ (Copying assessment table to wiki) (current)

Last quality log, switches back to running assessment tables

  • 21:37, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+1,074)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Bihar articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 4, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

Stopped here for this WP, consuming 19 minutes processing 1 wikiproj.

  • 21:02, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+2,055)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Astronomical Objects articles by quality log ‎(Log for January 10, 2011 (2G r541))
  • 21:00, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-98,032)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Astronomical Objects articles by quality log ‎(Log for November 18, 2010 (2G r541) [chunk 44 of 44]) (Tag: Replaced)
  • 20:59, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+128)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Astronomical Objects articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 17, 2010 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 43])
  • 20:46, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-43,589)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Astronomical Objects articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 9, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 107 of 107])

First Astr.Objects WP, starting with 2009]]

  • 20:43, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+51,197)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Astronomical Objects articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 66 of 66])

Last astrology log

  • 20:41, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+176)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Astrology articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 3, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

Ending with October 2018

  • 20:05, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+357)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Accounting articles by quality log ‎ (Log for October 25, 2018 (2G r541))

Starting with 2014 date

  • 20:05, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+169)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Accountancy articles by quality log ‎ (Log for March 9, 2014 (2G r541) [chunk 1 of 4]) (current)

WP AFL is redirected to Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football , ran for 12 minutes processing, started with 2009

  • 19:44, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (+92,242)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AFL articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 35 of 35]) (Tag: Removed redirect)

Ran AFC ten times

  • 19:43, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-25,196)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/AFC articles by quality log ‎ (Log for November 4, 2018 (2G r541)) (current)

First quality log, and it has bad date 2009

  • 19:37, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (-18,284)‎ Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/19th century novels task force articles by quality log ‎ (Log for December 8, 2009 (2G r541) [chunk 6 of 6])

Switching from last of Tables to start of Quality logs

  • 19:37, 4 November 2018 (diff | hist) (0)‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Custom/Essays-1 ‎ (Copying custom table 'Essays-1' to wiki) (current)


Question - Is there a Bot or Script writing to file dates WP1.0bot uses? JoeHebda (talk) 15:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Bot blocked[edit]

I have blocked User:WP 1.0 bot, see Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#Reporting article assessment "WP 1.0 bot" misbehaving (and specifically my comment there). Fram (talk) 14:50, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Assessment bot cleanup[edit]

Greetings (WalkermaaudiodudeKelson) - Today I found Category:Perl people and wondering if any of these people could be asked to help cleanup files that drive WP 1.0 bot so that the bot can be re-started? JoeHebda (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi[edit]

In Article lists I enter "Australia" for Project and "All orphaned articles" for Article category and all I get is Total results: Error. Any suggestions please. I am trying to find all orphan articles within the Australia project. Aoziwe (talk) 12:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Aoziwe: Greetings - alternate at WikiProject Cleanup Listings, choose your WikiProject, then click on by cat link. The WP 1.0 bot is malfunctioning, is blocked, and enwp10 tool uses that bot. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
@Aoziwe: To find orphan articles, at the "Contents" box, page down to "Links" section, then choose "Orphaned" line. JoeHebda (talk) 14:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

JoeHebda - many thanks - looks good. Aoziwe (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Article cleanup listings[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) The link to weekly WikiProject Cleanup Listings may be a useful alternative while WP 1.0 bot is blocked.JoeHebda (talk) 20:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Bot data source[edit]

Hi all, I maintain an (offline) script to generate a list of recent article/category additions/deletions for the Video games wikiproject (sample output here). It primarily is based on the 1.0 bot's changelog output. This leads to an obvious problem- the bot has been down for a month, and from looking at this talk page and the v3 bot's talk page, it does not appear that it is going to be replaced or fixed any time soon. Given that, it seems that the best thing to do is to rewrite it to be based on another source, and should probably not be relying on other scripts/bots; does anyone know what datasource the 1.0 bot is using? --PresN 02:46, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Asking (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) if you would know Bot data source? Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 04:16, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm perhaps not the best to answer, but I believe the bot can only track articles when they have a WikiProject tag on the talk page. That means if a page is created without a project tag it will be invisible to the bot. I apologize if you're looking for a deeper level of detail than that! Walkerma (talk) 04:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Obsolete listings[edit]

I am raising two issues:

  1. The project index for WP 1.0 bot includes two entries for one project: WikiProject Law and "WikiProject Legal". As a result, the bot creates User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Legal (and will recreate it if it is deleted), which has been superseded by User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Law. Can the duplicate entry be removed?
  2. Category:Version 0.5 articles by quality and its subcategories were deleted based on this discussion, but "Version 0.5" still appears in the index. Can the deleted project be removed?

Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:46, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Greerings @Black Falcon: - Asking for help from (KelsonWalkermaaudiodude) who may be able to help you. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Friendly ping to prevent archiving... -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

CleanupWorklistBot[edit]

Greetings (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - In my wanderings around Wikipedia, I found CleanupWorklistBot reading WikiProject article tags. It runs weekly on Tuesdays. Unlike WP 1.0 bot it is driven by subpage Master lines. I doubt it is conflicting with WP1.0bot but I'm still left wondering if another bot might be "out-there" and corrupting the date-timestamps? It would explain the bot's malfunctioning. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Question for (WalkermaKelsonaudiodude) - Do the database files that WP 1.0 bot uses have security on them? So that the bot is only one allowed to update? If not, then other bots or scripts might be corrupting causing the bot to malfunction. JoeHebda (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Alternate process to generate WP Assessment tables[edit]

Bumping thread for 180 days. JoeHebda (talk) 02:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Adamdaley: - Here is a possible workaround for individual Wikiprojects that may help.

  • Use the bot's data to generate lists of articles like this one, using a combination of the quality, importance and "external interest points score" for each article.
  • Change "Project" to what you want, then click on "Generate list" button.
  • After list is generated, page down & click on "Summary table"
  • Once on that "Project summary tables" page, you can change name of Project, click on "Make table" button to repeat for a different WP.
    • or here and change project on URL line in browser.

Sharing to (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - When I did the above, I see the table numbers for WP Catholicism & WP Saints have changed so it must be creating "fresh" wikitable based on current WP article assesssments. The table generated is "on-the-fly" and not stored at usual Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Saints articles by quality statistics location.

Cheers, JoeHebda (talk) 15:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

  • @JoeHebda: – The alternative here how will this be updated to the new article assessments? Adamdaley (talk) 01:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Adamdaley: It looks to me like enwp10 tool is running as a real-time job to create a one-of wikitable for requested WP. So it is not posting to "WP 1.0 bot" wikitable. I just discovered this today - not sure how enwp10-wikitable (newer) can be copied/posted to WP1.bot wikitable (older).
Hope this clarifies a temporary work-around until new bot is ready. CC to (audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 01:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I've worked out a way to update the new assessment. Adamdaley (talk) 01:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Adamdaley: - Glad to hear ofyour success. Could you please share what you did so as to help others with same issue on other WPs. JoeHebda (talk) 14:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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  • First of all, I had this link to the Bot to update certain WikiProjects. Here [1] – Which is of course bookmarked on my laptop. Another bookmark of this [2] – Is this easy to understand? Adamdaley (talk) 23:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Alternate process[edit]

While WP 1.0 bot is blocked, there is a way to get current article counts (assessment wikitable) for your WikiProjects. Follow the two-step process below.

  1. Generate new project data - At Update project data page, choose your Wikiproject & click the Go button. Depending on how busy enwp10 tool is there may be considerable wait time. After completion, run step two.
  2. Display project table - At Project summary tables page, choose your Wikiproject and click the Make table button.
  • Both of these processes can be bookmarked on your laptop. Credit to Adamdaley (talk) for this helpful contribution. JoeHebda (talk) 02:31, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Not only bookmarked on a laptop, but also a desktop. Anyone doing this must remember to call each of the bookmarks differently to avoid confusion. Adamdaley (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

November 19, 2018 - WP 1.0 bot "quality logs"[edit]

Greetings (WalkermaKelsonaudiodude) - Now that the bot is blocked, I'm wondering how easy would it be to divide into two jobs?

  • Process Assessment tables only (run now)
  • Process Quality logs only (run after testing & fixed)

This way the Assessment tables could keep posting all the updates, especially for huge Biography & Military history wikiprojects. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:24, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

November 27, 2018 - Update[edit]

Greetings (WalkermaKelsonaudiodude) - Today I added a "to-do" list for WP1.0bot and placed link at top of this page. JoeHebda (talk) 15:02, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

That's an excellent idea - thank you! I hope to talk with you tomorrow. Walkerma (talk) 13:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Asking for WP1.0 bot help[edit]

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Asking for help from people at User perl-4. JoeHebda (talk) 17:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


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Due to malfunctioning, WP 1.0 bot was blocked on November 5, 2018.

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If any of you would like to help, the source for WP 1.0 bot is here (from User:Kelson).

  • Look for wikimedia_wp1_bot/backend/DIRECTORY.MAP.txt for details.
  • At the top of this page I added a plain to-do list to help direct this effort.
  • Below at the Participants section, add your name with ~~~~ and interest level. Thanks.

My involvement consists of being a frustrated-article-assessmenter without skills needed to debug & fix any WP bots. After 44-years in computer industry, I'm now retired & enjoy helping to improve Wikipedia. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Participants[edit]

• I will take a look Wizzy 11:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

1.0 bot not updating[edit]

User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/WikiProject Seamounts shows only one Featured article even though there are now two after Wōdejebato became a featured article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:47, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings @Jo-Jo Eumerus: - See above section "Alternate process" while "WP1.0bot" is malfunctioning & blocked. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

December 3, 2018 - enwp10 not running[edit]

Hi @Audiodude: @Kelson: and @Walkerma: - The web service for enwp10 is not running & needs to be restarted. In browser tab, it is hung on Assessment page and times out with 502 Bad Gateway error. Requested from wikitable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Assessment and WP Saints. JoeHebda (talk) 14:50, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Audiodude: - Yes, now it's working. Any chance of making a Restart button? Or showing me how/where to do this? I'm on here almost daily & it would be helpful. JoeHebda (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Possible Workaround[edit]

All, I was thinking of a possible workaround to our issue that would allow the bot to update the stats tables but not edit the logs. Thanks to a bot request, here is a list of all the WikiProject log pages: User:WP 1.0 bot/Logs. An admin (myself if no one else wants to try) could batch fully protect all of the log pages (using Twinkle). Full protection will make it impossible for the bot to edit the log pages, but if unblocked, should be able to update the statistics pages. I am no expert on how bots run, so I am curious as to any feedback that you all may have on this idea. At the very least it would appear that this workaround would make it possible for users to individually update projects using the normal means. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I tested my theory. I fully protected Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Green Bay Packers articles by quality log, unblocked the bot, and then ran the bot for WP:PACKERS. It updated the statistics table and performed no other edits. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Audiodude: @Kelson: and @Walkerma: - Interesting news that would allow bot to update Wikitables only. JoeHebda (talk) 18:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Greetings @Gonzo fan2007: - I contacted group above with your news. I'm definitely in favor of anything that gets that "WP1.0bot" running again even if without the logs. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
After thinking it through, I don't see there being a lot of risk to testing this theory out on a large scale. I have fully protected all the log pages. I will unblock the bot and see what happens. Fram or another admin, feel free to block again if there are any issues. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Also, it appears a few of the logs were missed on the batch protection, so if the bot starts editing those pages please consider fully protecting them as well (or let me know and I will). I got success from 2415/2437 of the log pages, but no way to know which ones were missed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
You can now manually update projects at least using the update link. Just updated WP:NFL. Interesting to see what happens when WP 1.0 bot (talk · contribs) runs by itself. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

──────────── Can I ask if anything is being done to get the logs working as that is more important to me then the table of article counts. Keith D (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: - I see the bot running now & right away it reminds me of another "bot-bug". When a certain talkpage has same Wikiproject listed more than once the bot repeats processing, especially when those 2 or more WPs have diff. class/importance values. For example,
  • 18:09, 6 December 2018 diff hist +407‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ Copying assessment table to wiki current
  • 18:05, 6 December 2018 diff hist -407‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ Copying assessment table to wiki
  • 18:02, 6 December 2018 diff hist +116‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ Copying assessment table to wiki
  • 18:01, 6 December 2018 diff hist -407‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ Copying assessment table to wiki
  • 17:24, 6 December 2018 diff hist +551‎ User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (military) ‎ Copying assessment table to wiki
And I do not know how to search & find those talk pages to remove duplicates. I think same problem with WP Biography, WP Military History that I remember, and there are probably some more. JoeHebda (talk) 00:44, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
JoeHebda, is this an issue you are noting for version 3 of the bot, or something that necessitates blocking the bot again? In my opinion it seems like a fix for the next version of the bot and is something we can deal with for now. Keith D, I miss the logs too. Sorry, but this was just an attempt to get the statistics tables working again, since they were more or less still working correctly. The logs were the items that necessitated blocking the bot, and hopefully that issue is being addressed by those who have a better knowledge of bots than I do. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:30, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@Gonzo fan2007: - Yes, next bot version is supposed to fix. For now, it is really a data-quality issue. What is needed is a daily audit/cleanup report to identify those talk pages with duplicate WPs. The bot is driven by those article talk pages & if not coded correctly, the current bot cannot handle those duplicate conditions.
Wondering why bot running tonight is not processing A-to-Z like previously?
For the logs, a couple weeks ago I briefly read thru the Perl source & found at least one place where Timestamp value was not initialized. When log "goes crazy" datewise I'm sure there must be Timestamp bug(s). JoeHebda (talk) 01:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@Gonzo fan2007: - Above at Third generation WP1.0 bot section are links to talk page where new bot features, audit report, etc. are listed. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
JoeHebda, sounds good. It looks like the bot completed its first run. A quick perusal of its edits looks like the workaround worked for now. Interesting that it didn't go A thru Z as you said. Will be interesting to see how it runs tomorrow. Will continue to monitor, let me know if you notice anything that is fixable via admin tools or if the bot needs to be blocked again. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:10, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

──────────── @Gonzo fan2007: - Thanks so much for helping with this! Having the daily Wikitable assessments running again is a good step forward. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 02:16, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Excellent news that the tables will be back online! As to the logs, @Keith D:, on occasion you can get logs via the web portal like at [3], though it's only barely usable at all; over the last 3 weeks of checking I've only gotten it to return results about 4-5 times. That's enough for my use case (running a script to generate a "new articles report" for a wikiproject), though extremely frustrating, but may not be helpful for you. --PresN 03:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@Gonzo fan2007: and @Audiodude: @Kelson: and @Walkerma: - Looks like a good run of WP 1.0 bot assessment tables tonight. I did not see any of those duplicate WPs being processed. Maybe that first run yesterday was like flushing the toilet? lol Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:38, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

December 6, 2018 - enwp10 not running[edit]

Hi @Gonzo fan2007: @Audiodude: @Kelson: and @Walkerma: - Enwp10 tool is hungup. For example when I click on Wikitable User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Saints tool does not run or timeout. JoeHebda (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

It's running now. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 03:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Good. In my experience, when it re-starts after a bug fix, there is often a lot of "dead wood" that it has to clear out of its system, so it often has a few hiccups and weird things till it settles down into a steady rhythm of normal posts. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 13:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

December 9, 2018 - enwp10 not running[edit]

Hi @Gonzo fan2007: @Audiodude: @Kelson: and @Walkerma: - Enwp10 tool is hungup. For example when I click on Wikitable User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/ tool does not run or timeout.

Note: forthis bio-mil wp it processed 5 consecutive times during yesterday assessment updates. So I exported some of the over 60,000 artilces & am reading offline, hunting for those duplicates, & other cleanups. Wish there was a tool to find them. JoeHebda (talk) 15:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Enwp10 tool is running now. Not certain when it was restarted. 01:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Here's a thought. Some time ago, while assessing articles that already had a military history project assessment banner, I noticed that when using the project rater gadget it shows an error message as follows: Error while parsing: Broken template invocation for :WikiProject Military history”. Fix the source code and try again. so I wonder if this has anything to do with stalling the bots progress as mention had been made of the military article assessments not working properly. ww2censor (talk) 17:16, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
@Ww2censor: - The daily "WP10bot" processing is different from "enwp10 tool". The tool was not running earlier today, and has since been restarted. For December 9 bot processing, WP Biography (military) was repeat processed at 16:23, 16:29 and 17:50 from WP10bot, not with enwp10tool. From the logs, WP Biography (military) was also processed at 00:32 time, possibly requested manually with enwp10tool. The only way I know to stop the WP repeats is to find those articles where the WP is duplicated & remove the extra WPs. I have done this previously with other WPs & know this solution works. Problem is how to find the duplicates? Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 01:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
JoeHebda I believe both the bot and the tool use the project assessment banners to get their results. So, I wonder do the duplicate assessment banners transclude only once, or twice, to the "What links here" results page. If twice, here's what I found could work. This results page, of 5000 links (you have to manually change the 500 in the url to 5000 and I don't know the limit) could be used to export the page names. If they show up twice then, considering there are 22300+ articles you would only need 5+ pages, one could copy and paste the resulting columns into a spreadsheet and sort by name. Then one would just need to review the list for duplicates. I exported the list of 5000 and sorted then very quickly. Just another idea. ww2censor (talk) 13:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
@Ww2censor: - Thanks for this idea. Will investigate yet today. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Is WP1.0bot missing Wikiprojects?[edit]

Greetings @Ww2censor: @Gonzo fan2007: @Audiodude: @Kelson: and @Walkerma: - When looking at log for WP 1.0 bot I change view to 500 count. Entire processing is completed with less than 1,000 entries. My concern is - are there missing Wikiprojects? Thought there are over 2,000 Wikiprojects.

Also, as I mentioned previously, during the daily assessment process the bot no longer runs in Alpha (A-Z) sequence. JoeHebda (talk) 14:31, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

According to this list there are 2450 WikiProjects. Click on the "All" link to view them. ww2censor (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi (Ww2censorGonzo_fan2007audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) - Thanks Ww2censor for link to list of 2450 WikiProjects. I just checked a few against "WP1.0bot" log and see that "Yes" there are WPs not being processed -
  • Abkhazia - last ran 19:54, 6 December 2018
  • AIDS - last ran 18:32, 6 December 2018
  • Arab world - ran 18:43, 8 December 2018 and ran 19:29, 10 December 2018
That 2450 list contains many Work groups, subprojects where the article counts are updated via the main project. Wish the list indicated "Bot updated" ones & Workgroup ones.
JoeHebda (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Does the bot update WikiProjects that have had no changes? I.e. if the wikitable is the same as the day before, then the bot would not perform an edit. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

December 11, 2018 - enwp10 not running[edit]

Good morning (Ww2censorGonzo_fan2007audiodudeKelsonWalkerma) Enwp10 tool is hungup. When I click on Wikitable User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Colorado the tool does not run or timeout. JoeHebda (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

JoeHebda All those links seem to be working now. I received 3 tables this morning and the links I tried from those tables all work. ww2censor (talk) 15:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
JoeHebda, full disclosure the bot has always been glitchy, with minor issues here and there. Even when it was "working", I had issues with tables not loading or the tool not running. Unless the bot shuts down for an extended period, I don't think you need to report here each time something is loading. Also, I have this page watched, so you don't need to ping me in every comment. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:51, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Gonzo_fan2007 for the heads-up about the pinging...was not aware of that. After 17yrs working IT in an IBM shop, guess I'm spoiled - the live system could be patched with minor changes as needed (mostly by me). For software upgrades & other major changes we had a total test environment; a main AS400 & two network servers & good software vendor support. That's why I know nothing is impossible. Too bad WP1.0bot has "history". Sounds like those defects were not identified & fixed. Glad bot is being re-written. Sorry for rambling on like this. Cheers, JoeHebda (talk) 18:57, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
No problem. As you aware, people often live with minor issues if the overall process generally works. Hopefully 3.0 can improve the process! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:17, 11 December 2018 (UTC)