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Merger proposal: W.T. Sampson Elementary/High School and W.T. Sampson High School[edit]

I started a discussion on a merger proposal at Talk:W.T. Sampson Elementary/High School WhisperToMe (talk) 05:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

LGBT issue at Catholic school[edit]

Multiple users in different places have requested review of information about LGBT issues at a Catholic school. I am asking for comment from the following places -

The article is Marian High School (Bloomfield Township, Michigan). Not all users have found their way to the talk page, but there are requests for comment from multiple people. Diverse perspectives would be welcome. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes[edit]

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

If you think auto-assessment might benefit this project, consider discussing it with other members here. For more information or to request an auto-assessment run, please visit User:BU RoBOT/autoassess. This is a one-time message to alert projects with over 1,000 unassessed articles to this possibility. ~ RobTalk 01:23, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I think this could be useful. We have quite a backlog at the moment. EyeTripleE (talk) 17:07, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • After a few days, there appears to be some support and no opposition to opting in. You may want to consider listing this project at User:BU RoBOT/autoassess to opt-in. I'm unfollowing this project page, so please ping me if anyone has any questions that require the bot operator's response. ~ RobTalk 17:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Autoassessment fine. Commonsense tells me I should walk on by and keep what few friends I have left- but there is a serious problem here: Teachers assess in their sleep- so why is it not happening? I have often stumbled on the backlog are been put off before I did a single edit. So can I make a few comments on how refining the task you can attract more Wikipedia obsessives. Some of this is going to sound critical- its not intended to be but my caffeine levels are low!
The questions are what needs to be assessed, where are the criteria- and who else is assessing? Imagine I saw the text above projects with over 1,000 unassessed articles
  • Stage one - go to the Project Page. Look for the sub-heading Assessment. That draws a blank.
Recommendation:- New subheading and lower the the next two subheads to subsubheads.
You have to bore down into article grading-- I understand that grading is regional specific term for testing and assessment:
Recommendation:- change grading to assessment
Now look at the text- For further information, visit the Assessment department. That clearly says- Assessment is done by a established clique- click here to find out how clever we are. What is wrong with saying, the assessment team welcomes new editors, visit the Assessment department to find out more
Recommendation:- change the wording to be more welcoming.
  • Stage two- how does one assess over to the Assessment department. What a teacher is looking for are the borderline criteria- but the specific borderline criteria for 2016 and particular school systems. In most cases gut instinct will tell you if it is a stub/ a start or a C which will always make up the bulk of the backlog. So specifically, what are the tickboxes you should fill before you rate at a Start- so you can just check if your instinct is correctly focuses. I am concerned at this point that these criteria are school system specific. In the UK, we suffer from a plethora of politically inspired loopy governance structures- freeschools(that are not)- academy chains- church controlled -church aided. We need to know what the current concensus is for necessary and optional criteria for each of these. Normally gut instinct will be enough- but it is comforting to have this on paper. Lets move onto the Assessment department page. But is as clear as mud on why link Release version Criteria goes to WikiProject priority assessments or why there is a link to a general assessment page, when in this context it is the subject specific advice that is required
Recommendation:- change the wording - stay on focus. The could be handled with a efn.
  • Stage three. Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Assessment- and onto the FAQ. Who can assess articles? Any member of the Schools WikiProject is free to add—or change—the rating of an article.. This again is a limiting not a welcoming statement even if it was totally unintentional. It sounds like WP:OWN.
I have checked the examples and discover that all of them refer to assessments done 8 years ago. Gut instinct tells me that the stub is correct, the start is a little generous, the C class has no reference (save one for a sport) so should be Start and tagged as a copyvio I suspect! The Institut Le Rosey (B) example is where I would like advice, it has 91 references but probably 80 refer to a single, school published source. There are MOS issues but a lot of well written text (possible copyvio [1] [2] so is it a B- or more likely a C?. My English is too poor to write at GA standard- but lets take a look. Well there are broken links, red links- notes not linking to the references. And the infobox has been deprecated and erased. The A and GA have link problems and are now at B.
Recommendation:- all this 2008 work needs to be checked, and updated
Recommendation:- a batch of tutorial geographically system specific subpages with the borderline assessment criteria and modern examples need to be written by experienced assessors for the new junior assessors.
The {{WikiProject Schools}} code is confusing. To make sense it needs to be
{{WikiProject Schools
 |class=
 |importance=
 |info=
}}
So with those few change I am sure you will attract many more diligent assessors! The alternative is to organise an assess-a-thon round at my place and barbeque a couple of Ofsted inspectors.ClemRutter (talk) 20:08, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  • ClemRutter, there is a gadget that makes assessment a bunch easier. You can find it at User:Kephir/gadgets/rater. I would like to barbeque the politicians that keep messing with the education system here in the states, so I can relate to your last sentence. If you would like to start some project specific assessment guides in your userspace, I would be more than happy to chip in. I too have found a bunch of articles assessed pre 2010 that seem way off mark. Since with the little gadget it is simple to re-asses them, I just do so as I find them. John from Idegon (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Secondary schools in Nigeria[edit]

I really want to work on creating articles for public secondary schools in Lagos State. I noticed many of the popular government owed schools do not have articles. I have read Wikipedia:Notability (high schools), and am glad the drafters recognized the fact that you might not easily get in-depth independent articles centered on high schools from Africa and Asia. Nonetheless, I recognize that everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable. There are independent sources for the schools I want to create, it's just that they might not cover the schools in significant detail. I plan on starting with the model colleges in Lagos State. My first articles should be Lagos State Junior Model College Badore and Lagos State Senior Model College Badore. I am saying all these because I don't want my articles to be nominated for deletion. If there is anything I need to know before venturing into this, I will really appreciate it. Regards. Darreg (talk) 04:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

As long as you have independent sources attesting to the existence of the secondary schools, they will almost certainly not be deleted. You may want to read Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines if you haven't already. EyeTripleE (talk) 20:42, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I just discovered this was probably not the right place to get information on creating school articles. I want to apologize for that. Darreg (talk) 23:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Darreg, no need to apologize! This is where to come for help on school articles and thanks for stopping. The guideline EyeTripleE mentioned has much info on how to construct a good article, but if you are looking for help on school articles, this be the place. You may want to consider joining our little project by adding your name at this page. Thanks for wanting to improve an under-covered area. John from Idegon (talk) 00:21, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks sir. I was actually referring to WP:WPSCH/H, it pops up each time I want to edit this page with a brief description on what I intended to do here. I have joined the Wikiproject team. I look forward to contributing my own quota to the movement. Darreg (talk) 08:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Please comment, RfC: Is being a finalist in a major championship notable for school articles[edit]

Please add your input to this RfC regarding this project's article guidelines. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools/Article_guidelines#RfC: Is being a finalist in a major championship notable for school articles? EyeTripleE (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

This RfC is still open. Please contribute. EyeTripleE (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

[edit]

Following up on a discussion with RaphaelQS regarding the crest/coat of arms on the Cheadle Hulme School page, I wish to suggest that it would be more accurate and encyclopaedic to upload the School's full logo for the article, as per the School's Brand Guidelines. The Schools Project page says "Do include...The school's crest, logo, seal, emblem and/or coat of arms (generally not larger than about 150 pixels)." For this reason, I think it is appropriate that the School's full crest could be used. I have opened a discussion about this also on the article's Talk Page.Timhudsonchs (talk) 10:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE: Further discussion has been had about this on the Talk Page. It is my belief that for encyclopaedic accuracy, to remove ambiguity and to maintain a correct online presence overall, the School's logo could be used for this particular page. Since not all school's have coats of arms anyway, the 'rule' which @RaphaelQS: mentions in the discussion can't be a catch-all for all schools therefore I'd like for Cheadle Hulme School's page to be able to use the correct, full and accurate logo.Timhudsonchs (talk) 09:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
What is the problem, Tim because of his professional position has authority to release an instance (particular rendition) of the coat of arms for use in the article and for general usages on commons. The full 'coa' is a text description that must, by definition be free to use. --ClemRutter (talk) 10:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Sorry @ClemRutter: I'm not sure I understand your message. Are you saying that because I have the authority to 'release' our logo for use on Wikipedia then, therefore, it should be used instead of the artist's impression?Timhudsonchs (talk) 10:42, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I support your decision --ClemRutter (talk) 11:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
The discussion on article talk page did not result in any action, so this edit request has been marked as declined. Altamel (talk) 03:15, 18 July 2016 (UTC)