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Notice of related discussion[edit]

Editors here may be interested in a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)#Another_try_at_proposal_for_addition_for_identifying_possible_poor_journals.

Describing an article in Annals of Human Genetics[edit]

Hi. A debate is happening here about how the content of an article published in Annals of Human Genetics should be described. I'm saying we should use "academic research" to describe it, whereas another editor is suggesting "official legal work". Can we get some input on this from people who are familiar with debates about journals? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Category:Urology journals[edit]

Should this category, which currently contains a couple nephrology journals, be split into the category that already exists and Category:Nephrology journals as well? Or is it too difficult to draw a line between these two disciplines? Everymorning talk 02:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Urology and nephrology are really closely intertwined, so it may be difficult to categorize some journals if we split this cat. In addition, with only 14 members, there currently really is no reason to split this cat. If you feel it would be clearer, we could propose renaming the cat to "Urology and nephrology journals" and create a redirect to it from "Nephrology journals". --Randykitty (talk) 10:22, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Help needed at the AFC Help Desk[edit]

Please see this AFC Help Desk topic where a new contributor needs help writing a new article about a scientific journal. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Journal articles, WP:REDFLAG and WP:NEOLOGISM[edit]

Hi. There's a request for comment here on the use of academic journal articles to support the addition of material to an article, and whether the material breaches WP:REDFLAG and WP:NEOLOGISM. Input from those with expertise on academic sources would be welcome. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft struggling to show Notability[edit]

Please see Draft:Angelicum an article about a theology journal, the author is having difficulty demonstrating notability. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:40, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Journal AFD[edit]

This AFD may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Everymorning talk 14:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Partial impact factors?[edit]

An IP is trying to add some text to the article impact factor about "partial" IFs. I've never heard about this, although they just posted on my talk page two instances (both blog posts, albeit from a reputable organization and publisher) where this expression was used. Nevertheless, I am not convinced that we should include this in the article. Any opinions from other editors here are welcome. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 17:05, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

This blog has an interesting discussion of partial impact factors. Some journals, indexed early enough, apparently qualify for an IF after only two years. My opinion is that if an independent reliable organization (e.g. Thompson-Reuters) issues an IF, even if it is this weird partial thing, then there is a reliable source for the IF and it can be included in the article. But journals calculating their own informal partial IFs--that's not reliable and independent, that's just marketing. --Mark viking (talk) 03:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
That's not really the point. The IP is talking about journals that get included so early, that an IF based on (the usual) 2 years of citation data cannot yet be calculated, so only data from 1 year are used. For example, a journal XYZ that starts in 2013, gets accepted in 2014, and then receive an IF in this summer's edition with the 2014 IFs. Normally, 2014 IFs are calculated as The number of citations the journal received in 2014 to articles published in 2012 and 2013, divided by the number of articles published in 2012 and 2013. For XYZ the numbers related to 2012 will be zero (both #citations and #articles), so its IF will be the number of citations to articles published in 2013 divided by the number of articles in 2013. This is what is indicated in those blog posts as "partial IF" (as it is based on only 1 year of citation data). Thomson Reuters does not distinguish these IFs in any way, apart from the fact that you can see what happened if you look at the citation data that they publish at the same time. Hope this clarifies... --Randykitty (talk) 09:24, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, yes it is the point, or at least two points. First, as pointed out in the blog, one can only count 2012 in your example if it has "known zero" citations. That known zero happens only if indexing was started early enough. The timing of the indexing seems to be the key to how these two-year lag IFs are justified by TR. Second, if Thomson Reuters endorses this method of calculation, I think it is a worthy fact to put into the impact factor article--the fact is an interesting, counterintuitive part of the IF algorithm and is backed by an authoritative primary source. --Mark viking (talk) 11:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
As long as they are TR-backed IFs, I say we include them. Maybe with a (Partial) next to the IF.Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:22, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not being clear here. Yes, as long as they are TR-backed IFs, we should include them, regardless how they were estimated. My point is that TR themselves just call this an "IF", not a "partial IF". As far as I know, they've never even used that expression. The IP editor has listed two blog posts using this expression. The question is now: is this enough to include a discussion of partial IFs and their method of calculation in the article on the impact factor with its own subheading. See this edit. --Randykitty (talk) 12:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I understand your concern now. That the IF can be calculated after only two years is a worthy fact to put into the impact factor article, meriting a few sentences or a paragraph. But the name "partial impact factor" doesn't seem to be widely used (in my Google search) and having a separate section for it under this name seems premature at this point. --Mark viking (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Another journal AFD[edit]

This AFD may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Everymorning talk 10:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

infobox for academic papers/articles[edit]

Is there an infobox for academic journal articles? МандичкаYO 😜 06:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Template:Infobox journal is what you're looking for. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Links and resources can be found in our journal article writing guide. --Randykitty (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant, an infobox for a academic journal article, not academic journal. The subject of the article is not a journal but an article published in a journal. МандичкаYO 😜 09:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
My apologies - that was clear from your first post. As far as I know, there isn't. I take it you're asking in relation to When contact changes minds. I guess there aren't that many Wikipedia articles about single journal articles, so I doubt if anyone has thought to create one. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:11, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
There are more than I thought existed: Category:Academic journal articles. Fgnievinski (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
A broader Category:Works originally published in periodicals uses Template:Infobox short story, which you might be able to adapt. Fgnievinski (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot task?[edit]

Is there a bot already that helps with any of these, or could?

  1. ensures each infobox journal's listed ISO abbreviation has a corresponding redirect page leading to the main article at which that infobox is found?
  2. checks for "The Journal of..." vice "Journal of..." and redirects one to the other
  3. checks for ampersand or "and" in journal title fields and ensure a redirect from the other spelling
  4. checks for abbreviations with/without periods, capitals and redirect from each of those to the full title

LeadSongDog come howl! 02:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

A couple of recent examples to illustrate,
Even when editors try to get them all, we are prone to overlook some. An automatic tool would be much better. Each should be catagorized as either {{R from abbreviation}} or {{R from other capitalisation}}.

LeadSongDog come howl! 15:26, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Excellent idea! It's a pain to create all those redirects by hand... The talk pages should be tagged with {{WPJournals|class=Redirect}}. I'm not very knowledgeable about bots, but perhaps @Headbomb: can provide some advice here. --Randykitty (talk) 16:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
  • PS: the ISO abbreviation should also be redirected without the periods (e.g., "Adv. Microb. Physiol." and "Adv Microb Physiol"). Also, some people enter initialisms in that field (in this case: "AMP") and those should not be done by the bot and only added by hand if they really are used frequently (such as PNAS, but not the just-mentioned "AMP"). --Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, there are a few special cases such as JAMA, PNAS, etc, where the initialism is the masthead title, but there's no real need for the bot to do anything different. Those few can be handled manually. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Preferred journal title capitalization[edit]

Should Wikipedia honor the journal title capitalization style preferred by its publisher? E.g., Chest is referred to consistently as CHEST [1]. Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 15:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I think not. The National Library of Medicine's treatment regards the allcaps version as an "Other title", with Chest as the proper title. It treats Thorax the same way. While we're on the topic, for multiword titles like this, I see that they use sentence case for the proper title while capitalizing each abbreviated word, as for

ISO Abbreviation: Thorac Surg Clin Title: Thoracic surgery clinics As a general thing, publishers like their own titles to be in a higher-case form than we would use, as it serves their commercial purposes. Similarly, we do not preserve the all-caps routinely found in the headlines of New York Times articles when we cite them. The allcaps "MAN BITES DOG" would normally become sentencecase "Man bites dog" or at most titlecase "Man Bites Dog". LeadSongDog come howl! 16:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Magazines vs journals[edit]

There is a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philately#Philatelic magazines vs. Philatelic journals that may be of interest to participants in this project. --Randykitty (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

splitting scholarly peer review[edit]

pls see Talk:Scholarly peer review/Draft (discussions). Fgnievinski (talk) 14:25, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

merging review journal and review article[edit]

pls see Talk:Review journal#merge. thx Fgnievinski (talk) 15:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

peer reviewed law journals?[edit]

Pls see Talk:Law review#Categorizing peer reviewed or not. Fgnievinski (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Many law reviews are student-edited, where there is a large group (usually several dozen) law students involved in editing/reviewing submissions. I would regard this as a form of "editorial board peer review". I am answering here, because th number of places where you are starting discussions keeps proliferating and I'm starting to have problems keeping up. --Randykitty (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Another journal AFD[edit]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virginia Journal of Social Policy & the Law. Everymorning talk 16:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Splitting Category:Science books into Category:Scientific books and Category:Popular science books[edit]

Although strictly outside the scope of this wiki-project, I thought some of you could weigh in here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_June_24#Category:Science_books. Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Case report[edit]

It looks like this article has become a target for stealth-spammers who have added information about numerous journals to the "Publishing case reports" section. This doesn't seem very relevant and I think it should be trimmed considerably. Others' thoughts? Everymorning talk 13:27, 2 July 2015 (UTC)