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Notice of related discussion[edit]

Editors here may be interested in a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)#Another_try_at_proposal_for_addition_for_identifying_possible_poor_journals.

Partial impact factors?[edit]

An IP is trying to add some text to the article impact factor about "partial" IFs. I've never heard about this, although they just posted on my talk page two instances (both blog posts, albeit from a reputable organization and publisher) where this expression was used. Nevertheless, I am not convinced that we should include this in the article. Any opinions from other editors here are welcome. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 17:05, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

This blog has an interesting discussion of partial impact factors. Some journals, indexed early enough, apparently qualify for an IF after only two years. My opinion is that if an independent reliable organization (e.g. Thompson-Reuters) issues an IF, even if it is this weird partial thing, then there is a reliable source for the IF and it can be included in the article. But journals calculating their own informal partial IFs--that's not reliable and independent, that's just marketing. --Mark viking (talk) 03:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
That's not really the point. The IP is talking about journals that get included so early, that an IF based on (the usual) 2 years of citation data cannot yet be calculated, so only data from 1 year are used. For example, a journal XYZ that starts in 2013, gets accepted in 2014, and then receive an IF in this summer's edition with the 2014 IFs. Normally, 2014 IFs are calculated as The number of citations the journal received in 2014 to articles published in 2012 and 2013, divided by the number of articles published in 2012 and 2013. For XYZ the numbers related to 2012 will be zero (both #citations and #articles), so its IF will be the number of citations to articles published in 2013 divided by the number of articles in 2013. This is what is indicated in those blog posts as "partial IF" (as it is based on only 1 year of citation data). Thomson Reuters does not distinguish these IFs in any way, apart from the fact that you can see what happened if you look at the citation data that they publish at the same time. Hope this clarifies... --Randykitty (talk) 09:24, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, yes it is the point, or at least two points. First, as pointed out in the blog, one can only count 2012 in your example if it has "known zero" citations. That known zero happens only if indexing was started early enough. The timing of the indexing seems to be the key to how these two-year lag IFs are justified by TR. Second, if Thomson Reuters endorses this method of calculation, I think it is a worthy fact to put into the impact factor article--the fact is an interesting, counterintuitive part of the IF algorithm and is backed by an authoritative primary source. --Mark viking (talk) 11:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
As long as they are TR-backed IFs, I say we include them. Maybe with a (Partial) next to the IF.Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:22, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not being clear here. Yes, as long as they are TR-backed IFs, we should include them, regardless how they were estimated. My point is that TR themselves just call this an "IF", not a "partial IF". As far as I know, they've never even used that expression. The IP editor has listed two blog posts using this expression. The question is now: is this enough to include a discussion of partial IFs and their method of calculation in the article on the impact factor with its own subheading. See this edit. --Randykitty (talk) 12:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I understand your concern now. That the IF can be calculated after only two years is a worthy fact to put into the impact factor article, meriting a few sentences or a paragraph. But the name "partial impact factor" doesn't seem to be widely used (in my Google search) and having a separate section for it under this name seems premature at this point. --Mark viking (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Another journal AFD[edit]

This AFD may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Everymorning talk 10:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

infobox for academic papers/articles[edit]

Is there an infobox for academic journal articles? МандичкаYO 😜 06:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Template:Infobox journal is what you're looking for. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Links and resources can be found in our journal article writing guide. --Randykitty (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant, an infobox for a academic journal article, not academic journal. The subject of the article is not a journal but an article published in a journal. МандичкаYO 😜 09:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
My apologies - that was clear from your first post. As far as I know, there isn't. I take it you're asking in relation to When contact changes minds. I guess there aren't that many Wikipedia articles about single journal articles, so I doubt if anyone has thought to create one. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:11, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
There are more than I thought existed: Category:Academic journal articles. Fgnievinski (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
A broader Category:Works originally published in periodicals uses Template:Infobox short story, which you might be able to adapt. Fgnievinski (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot task?[edit]

Is there a bot already that helps with any of these, or could?

  1. ensures each infobox journal's listed ISO abbreviation has a corresponding redirect page leading to the main article at which that infobox is found?
  2. checks for "The Journal of..." vice "Journal of..." and redirects one to the other
  3. checks for ampersand or "and" in journal title fields and ensure a redirect from the other spelling
  4. checks for abbreviations with/without periods, capitals and redirect from each of those to the full title

LeadSongDog come howl! 02:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

A couple of recent examples to illustrate,
Even when editors try to get them all, we are prone to overlook some. An automatic tool would be much better. Each should be catagorized as either {{R from abbreviation}} or {{R from other capitalisation}}.

LeadSongDog come howl! 15:26, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Excellent idea! It's a pain to create all those redirects by hand... The talk pages should be tagged with {{WPJournals|class=Redirect}}. I'm not very knowledgeable about bots, but perhaps @Headbomb: can provide some advice here. --Randykitty (talk) 16:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
  • PS: the ISO abbreviation should also be redirected without the periods (e.g., "Adv. Microb. Physiol." and "Adv Microb Physiol"). Also, some people enter initialisms in that field (in this case: "AMP") and those should not be done by the bot and only added by hand if they really are used frequently (such as PNAS, but not the just-mentioned "AMP"). --Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, there are a few special cases such as JAMA, PNAS, etc, where the initialism is the masthead title, but there's no real need for the bot to do anything different. Those few can be handled manually. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Preferred journal title capitalization[edit]

Should Wikipedia honor the journal title capitalization style preferred by its publisher? E.g., Chest is referred to consistently as CHEST [1]. Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 15:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I think not. The National Library of Medicine's treatment regards the allcaps version as an "Other title", with Chest as the proper title. It treats Thorax the same way. While we're on the topic, for multiword titles like this, I see that they use sentence case for the proper title while capitalizing each abbreviated word, as for

ISO Abbreviation: Thorac Surg Clin Title: Thoracic surgery clinics As a general thing, publishers like their own titles to be in a higher-case form than we would use, as it serves their commercial purposes. Similarly, we do not preserve the all-caps routinely found in the headlines of New York Times articles when we cite them. The allcaps "MAN BITES DOG" would normally become sentencecase "Man bites dog" or at most titlecase "Man Bites Dog". LeadSongDog come howl! 16:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Magazines vs journals[edit]

There is a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philately#Philatelic magazines vs. Philatelic journals that may be of interest to participants in this project. --Randykitty (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

splitting scholarly peer review[edit]

pls see Talk:Scholarly peer review/Draft (discussions). Fgnievinski (talk) 14:25, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

merging review journal and review article[edit]

pls see Talk:Review journal#merge. thx Fgnievinski (talk) 15:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

peer reviewed law journals?[edit]

Pls see Talk:Law review#Categorizing peer reviewed or not. Fgnievinski (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Many law reviews are student-edited, where there is a large group (usually several dozen) law students involved in editing/reviewing submissions. I would regard this as a form of "editorial board peer review". I am answering here, because th number of places where you are starting discussions keeps proliferating and I'm starting to have problems keeping up. --Randykitty (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Another journal AFD[edit]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virginia Journal of Social Policy & the Law. Everymorning talk 16:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project[edit]

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Splitting Category:Science books into Category:Scientific books and Category:Popular science books[edit]

Although strictly outside the scope of this wiki-project, I thought some of you could weigh in here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_June_24#Category:Science_books. Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Case report[edit]

It looks like this article has become a target for stealth-spammers who have added information about numerous journals to the "Publishing case reports" section. This doesn't seem very relevant and I think it should be trimmed considerably. Others' thoughts? Everymorning talk 13:27, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Journals edited by students[edit]

Category:Academic journals edited by students seems to have a lot of magazines -- please help weed out. The ones that are peer-reviewed, most seem to fail the notability test (certainly in terms of indexing in selective bibliographic databases). Fgnievinski (talk) 03:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes box[edit]

In case you're familiar with Category:Recent changes boxes (see, e.g., Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Lists of pages), I've started Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Academic_Journals/Lists_of_pages/All_pages, based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Lists of pages and its sub-pages. The selection of wikilinks listed in those sub-pages probably needs to be fine grained, by namespace (categories only, articles, etc.). Another idea is to have sub-pages split by subject area (e.g., Category:Physics journals, Category:Medical journals), in which case we'd need a bot to list all the pages in branch up to a certain depth. Fgnievinski (talk) 05:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

1665 journal des scavans title.jpg
Recent changes in
WP:Academic Journals
List overview · Updated: 2015-07-15 · This box: v · t
You can put this box whereever you like (e.g. your userpage, some WP:AJ page). Remarks? -DePiep (talk) 10:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • You might consider this setup for the various lists:
1. All articles + their talkpage (=follow content changes)
2. All non-articles + their talkpage (=follow WP:AJ changes in WP:AJ/support/help/template/...)
-DePiep (talk) 10:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


Yes check.svg Done! Enjoy! Put it on your userpage: {{Recent changes in Academic Journals}}. DePiep (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

1500 untagged academic-journal articles[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals/List of untagged articles. As per Wikipedia:Bot requests#Academic journals may lack WPJournals template in their talk pages, "The category tree looks good for requesting the template be added. Note that some of the articles do not have talk pages." I think except for Category:Academic journal editors, the rest could be tagged by a bot; class=unsorted by default? Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 20:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Leave the class= parameter blank rather than "unsorted", but if another tag exist, the WP Journals banner should inherit the assement. They'll mostly be stub or start classes anyway. And if it's a redirect, tag with class=redirect. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Makes sense. Also, as per Template:WikiProject_Academic_Journals/class#Classification_based_on_class_parameter, articles in Category:Lists of academic journals would be tagged as class=list; and file talk pages as class=file. Any other special case? Fgnievinski (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Files should be tagged as class=files. Categories as class=category, etc. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:50, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Leave Category:Academic journal articles outside the scope of this WikiProject? Fgnievinski (talk) 21:05, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
If this is new--- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals/List of untagged articles --- then I want to say that this is a great idea.
Also, 1500 articles? Wow! I guess I better get moving :) ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Articles about each hijacked journal?[edit]

Pls see Talk:Hijacked journal#Articles about each hijacked journal?. Fgnievinski (talk) 23:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Discussion relevant to this project[edit]

See Talk:List_of_lists_of_academic_journals#Requested_move_21_July_2015. Would appreciate it if knowledgable editors would weigh in there. Everymorning talk 15:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Public Health Reports help with expansion/DYK[edit]

I believe this one could have a great DYK (e.g. DYK that... PHR was established by the US Surgeon General John Maynard Woodworth according to the National Quarantine Act of 1878?), but the prose section is under the 1,500 bytes requirements. Help with the expansion would be appreciated. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I've expanded it to ~2100 prose characters, big enough for DYK. If you want that hook, though, you'll need the quarantine act link to be blue instead of red. The source I added could likely also be used for an article on the act. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:39, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:JCW update![edit]

After a year or so, WP:JCW has been updated! And the people rejoiced everywhere!

  1. Nature (22,000) overcame J. Biol. Chem. (21,900) Nature went up by ~2000 but J. Biol. Chem. went down by ~3000 for some reason. Journal of Biological Chemistry remains king if you combine all abbreviations (around 28,000) though.
  2. Most cited missing is Tetsudō Daiya Jōhō Magazine with 306. Most cited academic journal is Biochimica Et Biophysica Acta with 256.
  3. 6 'journals' are cited more than 200 times, and 57 'journals' are cited more than 100 times, but looking at the list, there's lots of magazines on there. Seems we've been good at giving highly-cited journals articles (or redirects).

I'll be compiling some Wikiproject-specific lists over the week to help us coordinate with Wikiprojects and deal with the backlog. Big thanks to @JLaTondre: for the new run. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Went through all the missing journals (well the 5 pages of missing popular journals) and created several hundred redirects to the relevant articles. I left proceedings and transactions alone for now, although I could have redirect them to their societies. Best to consider whether or not the society article should have the journal information, or if they are worth standalone articles. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Question: would it be better to leave the list as-is, or modify it as links are fixed/edited? I edited the pages wrt the Bulletin of The Museum of Comparative Zoology, but (obviously) the redlinked "at Harvard..." etc are still there. Should they be removed (with the numbers of the main redirects altered appropriately) or left as-is? Primefac (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
What existed and what doesn't can just be deduced from looking at the list (and greatly facilitated if you make use of Anomie's link classifier). So personally, I wouldn't worry very much about that, especially since it'll all be overwritten in the next update.
But putting what you've cleaned up in strikethrough would save people from trying to cleanup the same thing again. Like if you're cleaned up the article using "Bulletin of the Museum of Comparative Zoölogy at Harvard College" to "Bulletin of the Museum of Comparative Zoology", it's not silly to strikethrough "Bulletin of the Museum of Comparative Zoölogy at Harvard College" in the list. But that seems like a lot of effort for not a whole lot of payoff. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

ISO4 for ambiguous journals?[edit]

Both of this have 'Medicine' for ISO 4. That can't be right, is it? I've seen "Medicine (Baltimore)" used for one those. Would that make "Medicine (Amsterdam)" for the other? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:59, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

  • You could check in the NLM catalog. Although it often contains errors (its LCCN numbers cannot be trusted, for example), its ISO4 abbreviations are generally OK. --Randykitty (talk) 15:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • While Randykitty was presumably typing the above comment I did exactly what he described. Specifically i looked up the LWW journal Medicine and found its NLM catalog entry [2] which says its ISO is "Medicine (Baltimore)". Everymorning (talk) 15:07, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I couldn't find the NLM catalog entry for the Elsevier journal mentioned above. Everymorning (talk) 15:07, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • What's the relationship between Abingdon and Elsevier? Everymorning (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Should nephrology journals have their own category?[edit]

In April of this year, someone created Category:Nephrology journals. I wanted to know if other contributors to this wikiproject thought this discipline was well-defined enough to warrant its own category. Previously Randykitty said that "Urology and nephrology are really closely intertwined, so it may be difficult to categorize some journals if we split this cat [i.e. the "urology journals" cat]." Everymorning (talk) 22:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I think there's enough separation between the two to warrant its own category, but WP:MEDICINE is where this should be asked. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 00:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Given how close the two are, I see no need for two separate small cats, but now that they exist, I don't really want to spend the effort to get them merged. --Randykitty (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Creating Rhetoric & Public Affairs[edit]

Would some of you please help me create Rhetoric & Public Affairs? I'd like it to be strong enough to avoid a possible AFD. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

It's on Jstor and Project Muse. Perhaps that's sufficient to prove that it is notable? Or do we need more info?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Is it also possible to de-redirect the Presidential Studies Quarterly and create its own page?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Look at WP:NJOURNALS. If those journals pass that notability threshold, then look at our writing guide at WP:JWG. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Want to help me co-create it or expand it after I create a stub with an infobox?Zigzig20s (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Please start it as a draft in your userspace: User:Zigzig20s/Rhetoric & Public Affairs. fgnievinski (talk) 22:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Or in the draft namespace Draft:Rhetoric & Public Affairs. Or just directly at where it's supposed to be. WP:BOLD and all. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:23, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

CODEN[edit]

I just sent an email to the CASSI people to see if they have an API that supports CODEN queries directly. Hopefully they do, and we can update our infoboxes to give links of the form http://cassi.cas.org/search.jsp?coden=PHRPA6 that would land us to the intended target [3].

I'll keep the project posted. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:58, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't know much about this sort of things so forgive me if what I am saying is stupid, but if you could do this, could you not also import all CODEN into Wikidata? That could then be used to populate the infoboxes, eventually. --Randykitty (talk) 16:11, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure bots could be made for this. Not familiar enough with Wikidata, but you can try your luck at WP:BOTREQ. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Here's the reply I got
"Automated searching is not supported in CASSI at this time (via API or other method) and there are no plans to update the service with this functionality in the near future. However, as CASSI supports researchers and librarians who need accurate bibliographic information we will include this suggestion when considering future CASSI opportunities."
Bummer. Oh well, maybe in the future. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Bilingual journals[edit]

Should Category:Bilingual journals be created? Note that Category:Bilingual newspapers already exists. Everymorning (talk) 21:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

RfD concerning Cochrane Reviews[edit]

Your feedback would be appreciated. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk pages of redirects: tag as class=redirect or redirect itself?[edit]

E.g., should we do like this Talk:Astrophysical Journal or as in Talk:PNAS instead? fgnievinski (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

  • This project has always tagged redirects as redirect class. The advantage to that is that the project will be notified if something happens to the redirect (a move, or an XfD, for example). So there are advantages and I don't really see any disadvantages. I have tagged the PNAS talk page accordingly. --Randykitty (talk) 20:11, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

MIAR[edit]

I just stumbled upon this website http://miar.ub.edu/, and I have to say it's a wonderful resource, especially when it comes to looking up indexing information (searching by ISSN works best I find). Journals don't always list it, but there's a good chance it'll be on here! Not sure how complete it is, but I wish I had known about it much earlier. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 05:38, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

"Academic journals published in Foo country" categories[edit]

Despite the long-standing consensus in this project that academic journals cannot (and hence should not) be reliably categorized as being published in a certain country (and even if this can be determined, this fact not being a defining characteristic of a journal), several categories named "Academic journals published in Foo country" are now around after a "no consensus" closure of the respective CfDs. I propose adding a recommendation to our journal writing guide to state that the project members do not recommend adding such categories to journal articles. Of course, we can not recommend removing such cats (that would be disruptive after the decision at CfD), but we certainly can recommend not to add them. After an appropriate amount of time has passed, we should take these cats to CfD again. --Randykitty (talk) 08:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)