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Contests[edit]

I've created Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Contests. The idea is to run a series of contests/editathons focusing on each region of Africa. I've spoken to Wikimedia about it and $1000-1500 is possible for prize money. Would anybody here be interested in contributing to one or assisting draw up core article/missing article lists? I'm thinking North Africa for an inaugural one in October. If interested please sign up in the participants section of the Contest page, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Indigenous women & Polar women editathons[edit]

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You are invited...
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Indigenous women editathon & Polar women editathon
Hosted by Women in Red - August 2016 - #wikiwomeninred

(To subscribe, Women in Red/Invite list. Unsubscribe, Women in Red/Opt-out list) --Rosiestep (talk) 21:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC) via MassMessage

Dashikis[edit]

We need more pictures of Dashikis! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:42, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Notice to participants at this page about adminship[edit]

Many participants here create a lot of content, have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the skills considered at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Of interest[edit]

These AfDs may be of interest to project participants: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blossom Ozurumba, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irina D. França. Montanabw(talk) 15:17, 19 August 2016 (UTC) Also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matilda Amissah-Arthur. Montanabw(talk) 16:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Eponymous African ideologies[edit]

Has anyone noticed that we have articles for Garveyism, Mobutism and Sankarism but not for Fanonianism, Lumumbism or Nkrumaism? Aren't those eponymous political ideologies just as important? Charles Essie (talk) 02:22, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Want to write one together? I'm most interested in Nkrumaism, I think I could get Austin's work on it in the 1970s in short order. Or Fanonianism/Fanonism, I'd be intrigued to read the Gates piece on it. I'm down if you are. AbstractIllusions (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
@AbstractIllusions: I just started Nkrumaism. I'd appreciate some assistance, Charles Essie (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Should we try Lumumbism next? Charles Essie (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Cabo Verde[edit]

Please see the discussion on the title for Cape Verde/Cabo Verde. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Africa[edit]

Here are some fresh news regarding the photo contest c:Commons:Wiki Loves Africa
As a reminder, the theme chosen for 2016 is "Music and Dance".

IMPORTANT: the dates have changed. The new dates for the contest are 1st of December till 31st of January.
It is planned on purpose to start just after WikiIndaba.
We are happy to say that Wikimedia Foundation has agreed to invest slightly more money at the local level this year.
We will be able to support up to 10 countries (against 8 during previous years).
Maximum budget available per country is also potentially slightly higher this year, up to 1000 dollars (or even slightly more if you can convince us).
Submission of propositions is now open

If you are not yet member of the African list, please join https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/african-wikimedians

Anthere (talk)

Frustrating[edit]

Frustrating. Obviously we want the same coverage for Africa as elsewhere but for a lot of villages you'd be lucky to find a population figure, let alone any real information. Rather than zillions of short stubs, perhaps it would be best to only have articles for localities which actually have a few sources with info aside from population at the moment. Create articles for all the communes/municipalities but then create lists of villages in each one with the population in brackets. I might start redirecting a lot into the municipalities. There's no point in having tons of articles if all of them are generic with xxx is a village, In 2002 it had xxx. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Aymatth2: What shall I do? Obviously we want to cover everywhere and have the same coverage in Africa as elsewhere but for the majority of rural localities it's just population available. Which is best do you think, list them with population in brackets in the municipality like Diouloulou until one has enough info for a proper stub. Or short ones like Aïnoumane but the same generic population and nothing else? I think it's probably best to just create the municipality articles for now and clean those up as they'll mostly have at least some facts. The larger villages if they have some more facts I think it's worth having new entries like Kabiline. But I'm kind of sick of categories for Africa often having a few hundred villages and most of them containing the xxx types entries. We want to improve overall quality of course.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

For Senegal for instance it would be better to have 300 odd half decent start class articles on all the communes and rural communities first I think, and make them more consistent rather than 14,000 short stubs on villages!.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

  • I see no problem with stub village articles like Aïnoumane. The stub gives the population, time zone and commune and shows the place on the map, all useful information, and links to the satellite view. Possibly more information will turn up later, and the stub gives a place to add it. Maybe a famous person was born there. Or it may stay a stub forever. I would not bother to create a stub like this myself, but think it is marginally more useful than a list entry. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I see it both ways. If you really think long term we're better off having individual articles, even if just population data I think as undoubtedly over time things will improve. It's just I know a lot of people don't like it. Perhaps I'll focus on the more important localities first and then see how it goes..♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

  • If you are going to create village stubs, you may want to contact User:Lsj for automated assistance. He has created a bot that, among other things, can extract NASA data for a location including type of vegetation, population density and monthly temperatures and rainfall. With this information, the stubs would be a fair bit more useful. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
For an example of the kind of "village stub" that my bot can produce (and has produced for about half of Africa), see for example sv:Abuko. The bot software is written so that it is straightforward to port to another language version. Lsj (talk) 12:28, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Lsj: That looks very useful. Has this possibility for the English WP been discussed elsewhere? I can see huge potential, but perhaps am missing potential drawbacks. A stray thought is that it might be useful to separate the stub framework from the content, which would be included as a "template". Generate the framework once, but keep the option to regenerate content, which may change from time to time. Thus:

{{infobox settlement|name=Xyz Village ...}}
'''Xyz Village''' is a village in [[Senegal]].
==Environment==
{{Bot generated/Xyz Village environment}}
==Demographics==
{{Bot generated/Xyz Village demographics}}
...

This would support embedding bot-generated content in existing articles, and would allow editor-written text to be added to bot-generated articles, while giving the option to periodically replace the embedded bot-generated content with more up-to-date content and/or more complete content. Things like temperatures, rainfall and vegetation may change periodically, and demographic information may change quite often. Thoughts? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
I am not aware of any such discussion on enwp. It has been discussed extensively on svwp, though. The potential is indeed huge, which is what gained consensus for the project (and gained svwp 2nd place in the wiki league Face-smile.svg), but there are drawbacks and objections. Objections that people have raised in those discussions include:
  • Possible quality issues with the sources used. Source data are not perfect, and the bot may unwittingly include errors.
  • Some people question the relevance of 100,000 stubs about villages in Africa.
  • Maintenance and updating becomes a challenge.
  • The articles are too uniform, boring to read. The "random article" function is no fun anymore on svwp.
  • The bot does a fair bit of analysis and calculations, and then translates the results into text. So the bot needs to answer the question "how flat is flat", in order to write "The terrain around X is flat." Some people argue that this violates WP:ORIGINAL, or is bad in some other way.
The frame/content split that you suggest is an interesting idea, but not entirely trivial to implement, as the bot articles are not all identical. A template-based framework would require either lots of different templates, or some very complex ones. Lsj (talk) 14:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Lsj: My use of word "template" was misleading. I would have the bot generate text just as it does today, but spread the text over three files per article: the frame and the two "templates". So the file "Bot generated/Xyz Village environment" just holds the text describing the environment of Xyz Village, to be embedded in the article on Xyz Village. There could be value in writing a small, very generic template with a name like "botcontent" and one unnamed parameter giving text type, which would use the article name to find and return the bot-generate text file. So {{botcontent|environment}} would return the text in file "Bot generated/&articlename; environment" if present, null if not present. Something like that.
I think this deserves a broader discussion though. The approach, applied to common classes of articles using different bots, would be a fairly radical shift from editor-written text alone to editor-written text plus content aggregated from other databases, or purely aggregated content in many cases. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

As long as the content is useful with the coordinates/map/population and some other gleaned facts I'd strongly encourage it. While it's true it will increase maintenance size, a lot of articles are going to be created by Africans coming online in the next few years, so better to set something up which is consistent and clean and then can be built upon, rather than being a huge task for people to attempt. @Lsj: I would fully support you doing this for Senegal as a start. I suggest though that templates like Template:Bignona Department are created first.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:51, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Lsj: I support this, too. Strongly. I think it's high time we look at some kind of automated article creation tool to help with our geographic coverage. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 23:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

List of universities in Tanzania is not exhaustive[edit]

New universities such as Mwenge Catholic University in Moshi is still listed as a university college. Similarly Moshi Univesiy College of Co-operative Studies should be listed as a fully fleged university.

There are several other universities and university colleges that are not listed here such as Jordan University college in Morogoro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.186.107.187 (talk) 07:12, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

The Africa Destubathon[edit]

Hi everybody. I'm planning on proposing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge/The Africa Destubathon this week. We will target every African nation and offer additional prizes for doing women articles and hopefully geography and wildlife articles too. A big contest which will hopefully prove productive and reduce our overall stub count. If interested please comment at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. Thanks.

Book fund[edit]

I propose that we launch Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Book fund. Any editor in Africa or worldwide who wants a book/journal or resource to contribute to wikipedia they list the books they want by user name there. We run a series of contests in the new year, run by people within Africa, but inspired by some of my contest models. People who contribute to them can then be given the chance to win the books that they want. They can then use books to contribute to future contests or future article work independently, so books won in one contest could be used to contribute to a Wiki Loves Women contest later etc. So it serves as a double investment in content long term. Alternatively/additionally, editors could work together as a team and work on winning book resources for their own wikiprojects and build up resource material, with a sort of library service giving books out to editors who want them. Editors not interested in financial gain for themselves, but very interested in African development can compete in the contests and donate their winnings to a given wikiproject/country, and then they buy books which editors demand and hand them out. So say a new student editor from Nigeria or something wanted to buy a book from Amazon worth £90 or something but couldn't afford it due to course fees, using the fund he could request the book and contribute using it etc..

@Prburley:, @Fsmatovu:, @Megalibrarygirl:, @Dthomsen8:, @Anthere:, @Islahaddow:, any thoughts?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:25, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I can see that being very useful in some circumstances. I've found that a lot of anti-apartheid activists and trade unionists in South Africa are covered by books that exist only as snippet view on Google Books. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Each African country could have its own section. Say MLG you want a book which documents some of those women from South Africa, you list the book under South Africa with the price. When a contest is held whoever wins a few hundred dollars can choose to buy some books for a few different people who need them and keep some to buy for themselves, or you can earn the books yourself by contributing etc. And you could stage contests based on the books in demand as prizes, so make people produce work for it so get the books they want etc..♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea generally. Anthere (talk)

Valuable source of new images on Commons[edit]

Just wanted to draw people's attention to the new deposit of images on commons from the collection of ETH-Zurich in Switzerland which (however improbably) has a large number of really useful photos of Africa (especially Ethiopia and former French West Africa). Unfortunately they're largely uncategorised and their captions are in German which makes it difficult to work with. If you have a free moment though, it's worth taking a look: Commons:Category:Media contributed by the ETH-Bibliothek.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)