Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anatomy
To what extend should Wikipedia honor the preferred naming choices of the Federative Committee on Anatomical Terminology?
I have started a discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peroneus_brevis#Peroneus_brevis_vs._fibularis_brevis about whether the name Peroneus brevis (Greek name) or Fibularis brevis (Latin name) is more appropriate. Our style guide advices: "Anatomy—Most articles on human anatomy use the international standard Terminologia Anatomica (TA), which is the American English version of the Latin. Editor judgment is needed for terms used in non-human anatomy, developmental anatomy, and other problematic terms."
Besides the preferred Latin name Terminologia Anatomica (TA98) lists synonyms. In this case TA98 lists Fibularis brevis as the preferred Latin name and Peroneus brevis as synonym. Peroneus brevis is historically more commonly used but mixing Latin and Greek terms makes it harder for new learners to learn anatomical terms. For a learner it's much easier to remember that Fibularis brevis is next to the fibula than to remember that Peroneus brevis is. The fact that peroneus is the Greek name for the fibula, doesn't help the learner. Out of this motivation, the Federative Committee on Anatomical Terminology decided to recommend Latin names even in cases like this where the Greek-derived name is historically more commonly used.
I think Wikipedia should support attempts to standardize terms in a way that makes it easier for learners to approach a new topic and go with the preferred Latin names that TA98 recommends. Therefore Wikipedia should use the name Fibularis brevis.
I think that's the intention of the policy of style guide to promote the preferred TA98 name, because otherwise editor judgment would also be needed for items that have TA98 entries. In addition to renaming Peroneus brevis to Fibularis brevis, I propose to add a clarification to the quoted passage of the style guide: "Anatomy—Most articles on human anatomy use the international standard Terminologia Anatomica (TA), which is the American English version of the Latin (TA98 Latin preferred term). Editor judgment is needed for terms used in non-human anatomy, developmental anatomy, and other problematic terms." ChristianKl (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, ChristianKl. Use of the TA term is just one factor we consider when naming or renaming articles. Some things to consider:
- We try and stick to the TA term where possible, and usually the English version of the term as our readers are assumed to be able to read that language and are most familiar with it.
- We also consider what the WP:COMMONNAME is - this may be a different term. To get a rough handle on this, we may do a google search for alternate results, use a google n-gram, and consult books and journal artiles. The common name is often not the Latin term.
- Wikipedia is WP:NOTTEXTBOOK - we are in the business of communicating knowledge clearly, but not teaching it, so we should not be renaming articles solely for educating readers (the vast majority of which won't know Greek or Latin)
- Sometimes we need to use terms to clarify a structure from others (eg Urinary bladder)
So to summarise, we usually address each article's title individually rather than apply blanket rules, because there is quite a bit of variation when considering all these factors article to article. Will have a look at the move request you put in, but I would not support a move to the latin terms. Iztwoz, who is also involved in moves, may be able to contribute to this discussion.--Tom (LT) (talk) 23:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment on parenthetical information in first sentence. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations to all
Having updated our stats for the first time since last year, I'd like to say that I feel our editing continues to make a difference in the overall quality of our articles. At long last, about half of our articles are better than stub class; we have more than 20 good articles (one of our goals) as well. This is likely a combination of reclassifying articles, and overall improvements in article quality. Well done to everyone involved.
What should our next goals be? We should have goals that are:
- One focused on quality content (eg GAs, FAs)
- One focused on overall content (eg less than 2,000 stubs, no stub / start class articles in top 500 most popular pages?)
- I'll start by proposing an increase in our GA target to 40, and a goal to have less than 2,000 stubs. --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Moving open tasks to talk page
We have a list of open tasks which is sporadically updated: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anatomy/Open_Tasks#Drives
I'm considering moving the task list to the talk pagem ie: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Anatomy/Open_Tasks. I will add a 'discussion' subheading to each task to make it more 'talky'. This is mainly so that we can use automatic archiving and the click archiver to save time archiving tasks. As it is, it is quite a lot of effort on my poor internet connections to archive content manually :). Thoughts/objections? --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:46, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#RfC: Red links in infoboxes. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)