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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt:
  • Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

  • Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

  • Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

  • Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

  • Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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Darius the Great's Suez Inscriptions - rename?[edit]

As requests to rename Darius I over the years have all failed, isn't it time to rename this? A Google Books search shows over 4000 hits using just Darius, over 600 using "Darius the Great". I'm not sure what the best anme is, maybe just Darius's Suez inscriptions]]. Doug Weller talk 18:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Doug Weller I agree with a change. I personally provided two old drawings of the stela; in both cases it was called "Shaluf stela" (Chalouf, in French). Khruner (talk) 22:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Uniliteral hieroglyph articles[edit]

I've just noticed we have a bunch of low-quality articles on the uniliteral hieroglyphs, like Vulture (hieroglyph). Failure to understand that there's a difference between different spellings of the same consonant (
m
vs.
Aa15
) and different consonants which are casually transcribed the same (
h
vs.
H
), which I've just corrected; calling hieroglyphs like w vowels; replication of the same table across more than twenty articles without templates; a "skip this cell" instruction just written into a table cell... And we have better pages on the uniliterals collectively. Something should be done with these articles. What? Ordinary I'd just propose deleting them, but given the number of other articles on individual hieroglyphs it would be bad to have the uniliterals systemically unrepresented. 4pq1injbok (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Shabaka-Shebitqo succession[edit]

As someone here may knows, in recent years the traditional order of succession of the two 25th Dynasty pharaohs Shabaka and Shebitku has been questioned on several basis by Bányai, and later Payraudeau and Broekman (see Shebitku#Order of succession and references therein). A very recent paper by Broekman ("Genealogical considerations regarding the kings of the Twenty-fifth Dynasty in Egypt", Göttinger Miszellen 251, pp. 13-20) also states that quite an amount of scholars (Dodson, Donker van Heel, Jansen-Winkeln, Jurman, Kaper, van Walsem and Kitchen too) now accept the new order of succession Shebitqo->Shabaka. I'm here to ask for a consensus or sort to reverse the order of succession even here on en.wiki. Khruner (talk) 23:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

  • The archaeological evidence now favours a Shebitku-Shabako succession. Broekman's GM 251 (2017) paper shows that Shebitku reigned before Shabaka since Shabaka’s NLR #30’s Karnak quay inscription was partly carved over Shebitku’s NLR#33 inscription. Payraudeau writes the facts in a 2014 Nehet I paper. Critically, Payraudeau writes in French that "the Divine Adoratrix Shepenwepet I, the last Libyan Adoratrix, was still alive during the reign of Shebitku/Shabataqo because she is represented performing rites and is described as “living” in those parts of the Osiris-Héqadjet chapel built during his reign (wall and exterior of the gate) [45 – G. Legrain, “Le temple et les chapelles d’Osiris à Karnak. Le temple d’Osiris-Hiq-Djeto, partie éthiopienne”, RecTrav 22 (1900) 128; JWIS III, 45.]. In the rest of the room it is Amenirdis I Shabaka's sister), who is represented with the Adoratrix title and provided with a coronation name. The succession Shepenwepet I - Amenirdis I thus took place during the reign of Shabataqo. This detail in itself is sufficient to show that the reign of Shabaqo cannot precede that of Shabataqo." Hence, Shabaka ruled after Shebitku as Payraudeau's 2014 Nehet I paper notes that the God's Wife of Amun (Divine Adoratice) Amenirdis I.

Payraudeau notes also that: "The construction of the tomb of Shabataqo (Ku. 18) resembles that of Piankhy (Ku. 17) while that of Shabaqo (Ku. 15) is similar to that of Taharqo (Nu. 1) and Tanouétamani (Ku. 16) [39 – D. Dunham, El-Kurru, The Royal Cemeteries of Kush, I, (1950) 55, 60, 64, 67; also D. Dunham, Nuri, The Royal Cemeteries of Kush, II, (1955) 6-7; J. Lull, Las tumbas reales egipcias del Tercer Periodo Intermedio (dinastías XXI-XXV). Tradición y cambios, BAR-IS 1045 (2002) 208.]."

Finally, Payraudeau notes that Shebitku/Shabataqo’s shabtis are small (about 10 cm) and have a very brief inscription with only the king's birth name in a cartouche preceded by “the Osiris, king of Upper and Lower Egypt” and followed by mȝʿ-ḫrw [41 – JWIS III, 51, number 9; D. Dunham, (see footnote 39), 69, plate 45A-B.]. They are thus very close to those of Piye/Piankhy [42 – D. Dunham, (see footnote 39), plate 44.]. However, Shabaqo's shabtis are larger (about 15-20 cm) with more developed inscriptions, including the quotation from the Book of the Dead, which is also present on those Taharqo, Tanouetamani and Senkamanisken." All this shows that Shebitku ruled before Shabaka. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

  • The new order should be Shebitku-Shabaka...and then Taharqa. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
    • The above outlined arguments sound convincing to me. The summary provided shows a significant amount of work by well-regarded scholars. I personally would like to see Wikipedia reflect the latest information on this. --AB (talk) 15:14, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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Tulli Papyrus[edit]

"The Tulli Papyrus is an oft-cited document of questionable origins that some have interpreted as evidence of ancient flying saucers."Someone has just added 10 cn tags, almost one per sentence, plus a refimprov tag - which seems a bad idea, it should be one or the other. Any takers? Doug Weller talk 12:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)