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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt:
  • Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

  • Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

  • Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

  • Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

  • Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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Berbers[edit]

Hi, I noticed that recently (and less recently too) many kings of the 22nd Dynasty and of the Libyan period in general were added to the category "Berber people" or were associated with Berbers in some way, always without sources in support of this claim. It looks like the main argument is that, since these pharaohs were of Libyan/Libu/Meshwesh blood/ancestry, and that these groups were allegedly related to the Berbers, then they must have been Berbers as well.
I thought that it's time for confirm or debunk that claim once and for all, so I'm searching for any reliable source linking Lybian pharaohs-Berbers, but I'm failing in finding these. By far, the only link I've found is in Shoshenq I's article, this book written by Thomas C. Oden (a theologian, so I don't know how much reliable is in such cases) claiming that "Shoshenq I was likely of Libyan Berber ancestry through his Libyan uncle Osorkon [the Elder]". Most Google results for this connection are of questionable reliability at best, and almost all specifically link the Berbers with Shoshenq I only, although this is probably because he was the most famous ruler of the period. My suspect after such searchs is that the association is a sort of modern "nationalist forgery", so I was asking any reader here if their sources do confirm that claim or not. Khruner (talk) 08:53, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

These edits may be sockpuppetry; see User talk:Doug Weller/Archive 41#Twenty-second Dynasty of Egypt. I don't have much information on hand about the connection between ancient Libyans and Berbers. My impression is that it's considered plausible but not certain. There are inscriptions from North Africa in Greek and Roman times that may well represent a language ancestral to modern Berber, but this source advises caution, because the Berber language itself isn't recorded until the Middle Ages. If those inscriptions aren't certain to be Berber, then Wikipedia should not claim that people from 500 to 700 years earlier definitely were Berber. A. Parrot (talk) 16:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I am also not sure whether the Libyans were Berbers, the Libyans are not that well attested outside of Egypt, so I am not sure if it is possible to draw any firm conclusions. I rather see the category removed. I am not an expert on the Third Intermediate Period! -- Udimu (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to both. The fact is that even today a lot of rulers were just added to these categories, from Osorkon the Elder to Bakenrenef. In my opinion, the category should be kept in an article only if the specific ruler is called by a reliable source to be of Berber origin, not all of his offsprings for decades and centuries after him. And by now, the only one among these is Shoshenq I. A final word, I haven't found any mention of "Berber" in the whole The Third Intermediate Period in Egypt book by K. Kitchen, if that could means something. Khruner (talk) 18:23, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Contests[edit]

User:Dr. Blofeld has created Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Contests. The idea is to run a series of contests/editathons focusing on each region of Africa. He has spoken to Wikimedia about it and $1000-1500 is possible for prize money. Would anybody here be interested in contributing to one or assisting draw up core article/missing article lists? He says he's thinking of North Africa for an inaugural one in October. If interested please sign up in the participants section of the Contest page, thanks.♦ --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:01, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Book of Abraham[edit]

Is there anyone here that might be able to look over Book of Abraham article? For the past month or so, I've been completely redoing the whole page, adding in new information from Robert Ritner's book The Joseph Smith Egyptian Papyri: A Complete Edition. A good chunk of the article is theological in nature, but what I'm really needing help with is the Egyptology near the middle part until the end; I'd really like someone to maybe peer-review that section if that is at all possible. Thanks!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 16:28, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Gen. Quon: As the WikiProject's resident specialist on religion, I'm the logical person to do that, but I'm not sure I'd have the time or the resources right now. For one thing, I'm not very familiar with all the details about these papyri or the Books of Breathings, so I'd prefer to get Ritner's book myself to consult. I can give some general pointers, though.
  • In the tables that give the Egyptological interpretation of passages in the papyri, consider replacing Devéria's quotations with ones from more recent Egyptologists like Ritner. I prefer to avoid 19th-century Egyptological sources when possible, simply because the discipline was so new and underdeveloped then. I don't see any obvious inaccuracies in what Devéria said, but I can't read hieroglyphs and can't really judge his accuracy. Compare his translations with the more recent ones. If there are no substantial differences and Devéria is the only one who has addressed these passages in such a pithy form, leave him in.
  • There's another Egyptological source you may want to consult: "The Ancient Egyptian 'Books of Breathing,' the Mormon 'Book of Abraham,' and the Development of Egyptology in America", by Lanny Bell. I think I've happened across it somewhere online.
  • Although this isn't an Egyptological concern, I do wonder if the article focuses too much on the Egyptological controversy. I'm not saying the Egyptological sections should be cut down, considering how detailed the arguments are, but that the article should say more about its influence on Mormonism. It sounds like the Book of Abraham is a fairly significant text for Mormon beliefs, at least in the largest branch of the church.
I hope this helps. I may be able to do a detailed peer review sometime later. A. Parrot (talk) 18:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the response! All three of your points are very helpful. As to the last one, I've been thinking of breaking most of this article off into a new one called Controversy over the Book of Abraham or something like that. You are right that it gives quite a bit of attention to the controversy, and not to the book.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 18:52, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I made a new article: Criticism of the Book of Abraham.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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