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"Divine" or "Theologian"?[edit]

I have been reading through a fair number of Anglican Articles with historical sections and have come across several references to "Anglican divines". I know perfectly well that it means "theologian", but suspect that a lot of readers will not. Even if they do, wouldn't it be a good idea to use contemporary language in a 21st century encyclopedia?Jpacobb (talk) 00:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The Anglican divines constitute a specific set of theologians who are generally held to define Anglican theological style. Not all Anglican theologians are numbered among the Anglican divines. Mangoe (talk) 00:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Urgent Issue with Anglican Diocese of Pittsburgh[edit]

User:Danbarnesdavies has renamed the article Anglican Diocese of Pittsburgh to Diocese of Pittsburgh (Anglican Church in North America). The edit summary says the following, "(Danbarnesdavies moved page Talk:Anglican Diocese of Pittsburgh to Talk:Diocese of Pittsburgh (Anglican Church in North America): prefix Anglican incorrect (not actual Anglicans))". Please discuss on the article's talk page. Ltwin (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Christ (term)#Requested move[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Christ (term)#Requested move. Elizium23 (talk) 23:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC) Elizium23 (talk) 23:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Canterbury Association[edit]

Memorial tablet in the western entrance porch of the ChristChurch Cathedral showing the members of the Canterbury Association

The Canterbury Association was an English group of Anglicans that hatched a colonisation scheme, and the Canterbury Region is the result of their grand plan. Some of them emigrated to New Zealand, but many of them never had the intention of emigrating. So far, so good. The Canterbury Association existed for only a few years before it got dissolved. In a quest of finding out a bit more about the group, its membership was researched for a series of books on The History of Canterbury. In Volume I, the group's membership is listed (in Appendix IV) - I count 84 members. After Volume I was published, a memorial tablet was installed in ChristChurch Cathedral.

The vast majority of them already have articles on Wikipedia. I'm guessing that all of them would meet notability criteria. I once created a category and am working my way through the list (so far, I have done 30 members; a further five that I've looked at don't have an article yet).

I asked the Wikiproject New Zealand/politics whether members of the Canterbury Association should come under its scope. The one reply that I received was that they firstly belong to this Wikiproject. Shall I go ahead and add the project on the talk pages? Schwede66 04:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Update. The category now has 58 members. I only add articles to the category once the text spells out that they were members, and a reference is provided to back this up. Given I had no feedback on the query above, my decision is that once I've dealt with all the existing articles, I'll go ahead and add this project to the respective talk pages. Schwede66 01:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Navbox colours[edit]

Hi all. Considering we colour the tables claret for bishop lists (thusly), I thought it might be nice to colour bishoppy navboxes with a pale claret (thusly), diocesan ones pale yellow (thusly) after the dioceses infobox, deany ones pale blue (thusly) and archidiaconal ones pale green (thusly). Thoughts? DBD 10:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it's superfluous, makes the templates harder to read, and counter to the guidelines at wp:accessibility and WP:NAVBOXCOLOR. Frietjes (talk) 17:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I have altered the claret shade to comply with said guidelines. The other three did anyway – I have checked using Snook's tool.
A good idea. However, the colours are not equivalent in terms of hue. For instance, the claret for bishops is a bit muddy, and should perhaps be slightly brighter; on the other hand, the diocesan yellow is too bright and could be toned down a touch. Only my opinion.
It's a nightmare getting these right (especially when you ask a "committee" – speaking as a former graphic designer), so you have my sympathies! – Agendum (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

DBD 23:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, but I personally think it's better without the colouring. It looks strange when there are multiple navigational boxes at the bottom of one page. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:19, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
That's fair enough, Plastik. Of course, aesthetics are subjective and that is your personal preference. I'm asking the WP members to contribute their ideas. DBD 17:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
If colours are to be used I feel this set of four have problems: the pale claret: better to use the same colour already used for "Bishopric" labels; pale blue with dark blue text may be harder to read, maybe something like fawn or sandy might be used here. The yellow and pale green colours look all right.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I still don't think we need them, but if you are going to add colours, then you should do so using a border colour, either like what is done for rail lines (see Template:Senzan Line) or like what is done for hockey teams (see the title bar in Template:Montreal Canadiens, not the rest of the template) or the top border colouring for succession box headings (see template:s-ach). having the colours defined in one place (a single template) would allow them to be altered without having to change all the templates (see template:infobox religious building/color or template:NRHP style). Again, I am still not in support of the colouring, but if we must, there are ways to do it without worrying about the contrast between the text and the background. Frietjes (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I am supportive of coloring, but only in the manner in the above comment. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 21:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a great ideaBashereyre (talk) 10:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, all. Here are some ways border colouring could work:

DBD 12:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I support this proposal. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 12:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I also like the border colors. Spartacus007 (talk) 14:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

border colours on the title are better than border colours on the entire navbox, and if you are going to do it, create a template name {{Anglican navbox titlestyle}} with
| Archdeacons = background: #FFFFFF; border-bottom: #33AA55 5px solid; border-top: #33AA55 5px solid;
| Bishops = background: #FFFFFF; border-bottom: #7F1734 5px solid; border-top: #7F1734 5px solid;
| Deans = background: #FFFFFF; border-bottom: #3355AA 5px solid; border-top: #3355AA 5px solid;
| Diocese = background: #FFFFFF; border-bottom: #FFCC33 5px solid; border-top: #FFCC33 5px solid;
and invoke with |titlestyle={{Anglican navbox titlestyle|type}}, using the various types. I still think no colouring is better, but this would centralise the location of the definitions. Frietjes (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
This looks good to me. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, here is a finalish proposal, which would be implemented as Frietjes suggests:

For your questions, comments and/or indications of approval DBD 19:58, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Right, now it's 7 days later. I'm going to go ahead and implement in the manner suggested above. Cheers, folks. DBD 16:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Good Article Nominee: Thomas Traherne[edit]

After undertaking a revision of the article, I've nominated Thomas Traherne for promotion to Good Articles. It is under this WikiProject and I invite anyone to take a look. If you're interested in reviewing, take a look at the article's talk page or WP:GAN. Thanks for your time. --ColonelHenry (talk) 00:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Portraits of 42 protestant reformers[edit]

Hi everyone! You may want to have a look at this recently uploaded high resolution picture with portraits of 42 protestant reformers. Beat Estermann (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Article tag?[edit]

Your project has two article talk page tags, {{WikiProject Christianity|anglicanism=yes|anglicanism-importance=}} and {{WikiProject Anglicanism}}. Which one would you prefer to use.

All Saints Church, Barrowby[edit]

Could someone assess the importance of this one please - thanks. Acabashi (talk) 09:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:Irish bishops[edit]

At Category talk:Irish bishops#Reorganisation necessary I have proposed a reorganisation of the articles and subcategories of Category:Irish bishops. Comments there are welcome. jnestorius(talk) 11:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

St Martin's Church, Ancaster and St Bartholomew's Church, Welby and St Peter's Church, Ropsley[edit]

Could someone Talk Page assess the importance of these ones please ? - thanks. Acabashi (talk) 19:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

St Andrew's Church, Billingborough[edit]

Please assess this new one for the Anglicanism Project. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 00:16, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

St John the Evangelist’s Church, Corby Glen[edit]

Could someone asses this one for the project please ? Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

St Nicholas' Church, Fulbeck[edit]

Could someone assess this new one please. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 19:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Please have a look at this submission please. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:New scheme for Bishops in Ireland[edit]

Category:New scheme for Bishops in Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Here is the proposal:

Liz Read! Talk! 01:20, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

St Vincent's Church, Caythorpe[edit]

Could someone project-assess this new one please ? Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 00:20, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:Female Anglican bishops in Australia[edit]

Category:Female Anglican bishops in Australia, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Female Anglican bishops. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

New Diocese being created in Yorkshire Article Name[edit]

I was wondering if this page should be moved from Anglican Diocese of Leeds as the New diocese will be called the Diocese of West Yorkshire and the Dales as per the following references [1], [2], [3], [4] and [5]--Mharris99 (talk) 14:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Categorisation of Anglican priests[edit]

I have opened a Requests for Comments discussion on the categorisation of Anglican priests.

The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories#RFC:_Categorisation_of_Anglican_priests, where the contributions of members of this project would be particularly helpful. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:53, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

The RFC has been closed today with a "clear consensus to categorize Anglican priests by both nationality and denomination". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Former Catholic churches[edit]

A discussion is currently underway here that may interest the project. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Valentine Overton (Rector and Archdeacon). FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Pram service[edit]

Please review this new stub for any errors. Bearian (talk) 23:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed move[edit]

There is a discussion on a move at Talk:Anglican Diocese of Leeds#Proposed move. Nthep (talk) 21:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

St Mary and St Peter’s Church, Harlaxton[edit]

Could someone in the project please Talk Page assess this new one please. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 01:43, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John L Peterson[edit]

Dear Anglicans: This old AfC submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable topic, and should the page be kept and improved instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Diocese categories and article titles[edit]

Some of the categories are inconsistent with the articles, such as Category:Diocese of Leeds where the article is Anglican Diocese of Leeds and Diocese of Leeds is a disambiguation page. Is there likely to be a proposal to rename these articles or should I list the categories at WP:Categories for discussion? Peter James (talk) 18:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:BISHOP revision[edit]

Hi. I've started a discussion about revising the WP:BISHOP guidelines HERE. Please add your comments and invite everyone you think would be interested. Thanks! Dan BD 16:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

St James' Church, Aslackby[edit]

A new one just uploaded. Can I have a Project assessment on the Talk page please. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 23:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

List of Church of England dioceses[edit]

I have nominated List of Church of England dioceses to go up on the main page, and some concerns have been raised here, specifically with respect to sourcing. Any help you are able to provide in finding additional sourcing for the information in the list would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 02:49, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Improvement request[edit]

Please could someone have a thorough look at Richard A. Burridge – there has been some conflict of interest editing. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I have opened the discussion the talk page. Jpacobb (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Bishop category renaming[edit]

We have a category renaming now for Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_November_29#Category:Bishops_of_Egypt which is potentially disruptive to the category structure in any province where the dioceses are named after states or provinces or even countries rather than after cities. There's already been another discussion Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_1#Category:Bishops_of_Jamaica which eliminated such a category. Please weigh in on this discussion so that we don't have a piecemeal and inconsistent category structure. Mangoe (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Names of churches[edit]

Re: St Helen's, Ashby-de-la-Zouch. This articles is being discussed for possible FA status at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/St Helen's, Ashby-de-la-Zouch/archive1. The church's website indicates that the name of the church is St Helen's Church, not St Helen's as the name of the Wiki article might suggest. Any comments? Snowman (talk) 09:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead and move it. Every other CoE church I've seen is at "St. Mungo's Church, Blogshire" or the like. Mangoe (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Does Church of England consistently use possessive forms in their church names? Catholicism does not, it is seen as folksy and informal. Elizium23 (talk) 00:16, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
This is tricky. The formal names of Anglican cathedral churches follow a standard pattern: "The Cathedral Church of ....." (see St Paul's Cathedral; Chichester Cathedral). I am fairly sure that other churches are formally named in the same way (except perhaps in villages with only one church where the formula "VILLAGENAME Parish Church" may be found). Therefore any bringing the name of the dedication forward in front of the place name is a popular form rather than an official one. My impression is that, in general, the phrase is shortened to something like either "The Ascension, PLACENAME" or "St John's, PLACENAME", the use of the "'s" being avoided when the dedication was not to a saint or sounded ugly (e.g. St Peter & St Paul; St Nicholas) — Jpacobb (talk) 23:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Names of dioceses, revisted[edit]

Is there a policy within the project to enforce articles titles of the format Anglican Diocese of Foo or Episcopal Diocese of Bar, even if the diocese calls itself something different? I'm referring particularly to the article for the Episcopal Church in Minnesota, currently titled Episcopal Diocese of Minnesota. —C.Fred (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd say if in doubt, WP:COMMONNAME wins the day, which in this particular case according to a quick Google Books search seems to heavily favor "Episcopal Diocese of Minnesota". Huon (talk) 21:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Henry Montgomery Campbell[edit]

Please see the discussion on the article talk page. Does anyone object to the proposed move to reflect his customary form of address? Tim riley talk 12:31, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

With one support on the talk page and no opposes there or here, I'm posting a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves. Tim riley talk 18:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

St Andrew and St Mary's Church, Stoke Rochford[edit]

A Talk page assess on this new one please. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to move Methodism to Child Project[edit]

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Methodism Jerodlycett (talk) 09:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

PB candidates[edit]

I have created a list in my user space of candidates for the next presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church. Any assistance in improving the articles for these bishops is much appreciated. Jonathunder (talk) 17:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on confirmation of election of Church of England bishops[edit]

At Talk:Martin Seeley. Dan BD 14:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of wording around alternative episcopal oversight[edit]

At Talk:Diocese of London Dan BD 18:38, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

AfD deletion nomination: CofE deanery articles[edit]

Bundled together at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deanery of Alresford Dan BD 20:22, 21 June 2015 (UTC)