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NGE: Sadamoto's out of universe quotes are being challenged by anon. Japanese IP[edit]

We've been edit-warring back and forth, and I'm starting to get tired of him, but since I don't understand why he objects so much, I'm loathe to just call in an admin strike.

The relevant content: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=List_of_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_characters&action=historysubmit&diff=339957411&oldid=339954503

The URL in question is http://theplanetsthatmatter.com/features/yoshiyuki_sadamoto_young_ace_interview/yoshiyuki_sadamoto_young_ace_interview.html . I view it as reliable, as it gives its source quite clearly, consiles with everything else I've learned, and sounds like Sadamoto (I have a few of his other interviews), and otherwise seems legit.

But the anon is objecting at Talk:List of Neon Genesis Evangelion characters#Translation of the amateur who mixed false information that apparently the translator's choice to translate Mari Makinami as Mary utterly discredits the entire thing and the statements that Mari was designed to look English/British. At least, I think that's what he means.

Thoughts on this - just ask for a block? Keep arguing with him? - welcomed. --Gwern (contribs) 17:34 25 January 2010 (GMT)

Reason why I do not admit the source. 1 Not official. 2 There is obviously an erroneous information.

This source seems to be falsified aiming at spectators in Europe and America. Name mari of the katakana never becomes mary. I do not complain if it is official information on an English version or a Japanese version. 60.40.8.165 (talk) 17:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


Does no-one have any opinions on this? Should I take everyone's silence as complete implicit agreement with my reversions of the removal? --Gwern (contribs) 21:07 30 January 2010 (GMT)

I am 60.40.8.165. When this source is admitted, the name of mari can be changed into mary. Such a wild decision won't be able to be done. 124.86.246.23 (talk) 08:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I think the interview is accurate, but we should hold off on changing "Mari" to "Mari" until we have additional information to confirm. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici (talk) 16:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Mari to Mari?
If you mean 'Mari' to 'Mary', well, I wasn't doing that to begin with, so it seems kind of irrelevant to me. --Gwern (contribs) 18:47 1 February 2010 (GMT)
You are strange. It should be insisted that it change it into mary if this amateur's source is blindly believed. You should notice that this source is actually useless.61.119.136.56 (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
How is it useless? What is wrong besides one romanization which I have already pointed out that reasonable men may differ on? --Gwern (contribs) 22:25 1 February 2010 (GMT)
I wanted to say it was useless as the source that was able to be trusted. You are a victim who has believed a part of false information. 61.119.136.56 (talk) 22:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
And I'll say again: if it is so false and useless, what else is wrong? --Gwern (contribs) 23:07 1 February 2010 (GMT)
It is possible to guess by seeing the false information named mary.

The person who made this false information cannot do even a basic translation of the word of Japan. Or, to make people in the West pleased, mary and the name are falsified. I am telling it not to use such amateur's information as a source. 61.119.136.56 (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I have asked you countless times to talk about something other than Mari/Mary. Since you can't, I'm done with you and will simply revert your removals. --Gwern (contribs) 17:51 2 February 2010 (GMT)
Please do not cling to the source of the amateur with whom the false information is mixed. If you have official information, it is certain that this discussion ends. Please remove amateur's source and change it for an official source. 61.119.136.56 (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC))
yet another mysterious IP user. the article does appear reliable, but of course we cannot see where they got there info, so if we find another reliable site, than the source can be used. If the site is official or not, is not for us to question, it's the information that matters. Bread Ninja (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
IP users are all the same person. I was surprised because there was a person who believed mary besides Gwern. decide whether this amateur's source is suitable for Wikipedia. It is a quick means to end the discussion. It becomes possible to change mari into mary when admitted. 220.106.177.190 (talk) 23:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I personally dont think we should change the name until we find another source, but the other info in the article can be used.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
No one is saying change the name! The only one who has ever even mentioned the name is this crazy anon. --Gwern (contribs) 16:24 9 February 2010 (GMT)
Tell that to 220.106.177.190. you really need to calm down. I'm the one in agreement with you.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Gwern blindly believed this source. ('Mary' is a perfectly respectable Romanization, since Mari=Maria=Mary. by Gwern)

However, it is insisted that it not change it with mary. Gwern admit the imitation to mix with this source? 60.40.11.48 (talk) 01:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

How are you confirming the truth of information? Change it into an official source if there is a complaint. Do not reflect it if an official source is not found. I stay on for a long time if you do not correspond in sincerity. I only say the just argument. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 01:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

mysterious IP, please define "official" first. We go by "reliable" sources, not just "official". if the source is reliable, than it can be used. And if it's a primary source, then use secondary sources to support the primary.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Isn't there the reliable source of information's definition in this place? How has the truth of information been ascertained up to now? The definition will be what people who exist in "WikiProject Anime and manga/Evangelion" should decide. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 04:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese IP, you should be more constructive in your edits. Obviously, you have access to many more sources than us, because we can only rely on secondary translations, and unfortunately, there are not enough mainstream anime media interested in Evangelion. I have to admit that planetsthatmatter.com, the site having posted this translation, was created quite recently, and we currently have no way to know exactly who is writing it (and names are not enough), so it's not really the best source. Having someone fluent in japanese is always helpful, so please, could you actually help instead of just deleting the reference ?

The Sadamoto interview was originally published in Young Ace #3 (september 2009), more precisely in a booklet included in the magazine, and named "Osada-bon 2009". Could you please check the booklet (since you have easy acces to it) and tell us if the informations about the creation of Mari are true ? More precisely, could you tell us if Sadamoto, in japanese, said he designed Mari to look British and that her glasses are used to "set her appart from other characters" ?

If you can confirm this information to be true, then the article will directly use the magazine Young Ace as a reference, and the translation will be provided so that non-japanese readers can still, well, read it.

This is the only way we're going to add any "official" source. But just claiming the source is "false" is not helping us in anyway. If the "mistake" is only about Mari/Mary, then it is irrelevant and the translated interview is still considered reliable.Folken de Fanel (talk) 18:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The date of issue is not written in the amateur's source though you tell me to look at the magazine. Even if when it was issued is understood, I do not have the means to obtain a past magazine.

Http://yui-spirits.kboyu.net/2009/08/newtype.html

this is an impression site of the magazine of the Newtype September edition. It differs from the source of the amateur who is telling it that I must remove. It is said that middle-aged father in Japan joined there though an initial image is British. Mari put on a result glasses different from the design grammar of "Eva". (The reason to give glasses is the same. )

I do not think that it is correct to treat the source of this Japan by Wikipedia because it is an individual impression 60.40.11.48 (talk) 04:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Your link seems to confirm the interview, as best as I can understand it using Google Translate. I don't see what the contradiction is. --Gwern (contribs) 16:47 11 February 2010 (GMT)
Mari is an image of middle-aged father in Japan, and a mixture design of the Britain style. It is insisted on the individual site. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 17:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Correction. The effective date existed in amateur's source. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 04:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

What makes a source "amateur"?Bread Ninja (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The meaning is not understood. say more concretely. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Please explain how this source is an amateur site, and not a reliable oneBread Ninja (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It might be a problem that the reliable source of information's definition is not here. The member of "WikiProject Anime and manga/Evangelion" that doesn't decide the reliable source of information's definition might be responsible up to now. If the definition is clear, such a discussion will be settled soon. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 16:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

it's here, WP:RS. still, like Folken said, instead, why not search for information? we cant simply judge everything so quickly, like folken has said, the site relatively new. still, we have to try to find where they got there information and see if we can find another site with the translation.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for a comprehensible explanation. see my comment on old times about the reason of amateur site. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

it was all speculation though. it wasn't much of saying how it is. you even corrected yourself once too.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Mari is not mary. It is not a guess. It is an amateur that causes such a basic mistake. Or, mary and information are falsified. It is painful to repeat this dialog. 60.40.11.48 (talk) 18:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It is not possible to come here for several days because business turned up. Because progress doesn't seem to advance, I will leave. It has something to say to Gwern at the end. Please do not forget the pure mind. You may believe mary. There is a possibility of becoming mary in an English version. Good bye. 220.104.44.235 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC).

Mysterious IP, you need to understand that it was just a translation, also no official translation has come up, that doesn't mean the article is "amateur". if you read list of soul reapers in bleach you see Mayuri Kurohsugi's zanpaktou called Ashisogi Jizō (疋殺地蔵?, roughly "leg-cutting Jizō") when the more exact translation is "head-cutting Jizō" . Despite it being a mistranslation it still being used due to it being the one that's verifiable. if you can verify that Mary is actually "Mari" then please find a source.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

BN, it's not hard to find RSs like ANN using 'Mari' - http://www.google.com/cse?cx=009114923999563836576%3A1eorkzz2gp4&q=mari+evangelion
The point is, it doesn't matter. --Gwern (contribs) 17:45 12 February 2010 (GMT)

and i agree, b ut it's just some insight to show this IP how wiki works.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

News & articles[edit]

Chrono[edit]

From http://web.archive.org/web/20071224093211/www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3948/evanews.html a selection of news events and also merchandising; it's not really a RS, but knowing what to look for is half the battle:

  • "Neon Genesis Evangelion was nominated (but lost to Princess Mononoke) the 39th Japanese Grammy Awards for animation music.
  • Neon Genesis Evangelion won the 1997 multi-media cultural award for animation. The award night is scheduled for February 2, 1998 at the New Tokyo National Theater. There will be an Evangelion Exhibition. Entrance is free.

...

  • Trading cards of The End of Evangelion is now on sale. Its 314 yen excluding tax per pack which contains 7 cards.
  • The anime Neon Genesis Evangelion has received three awards in the 1997 Animation Festival in Kobe for Interactive Software Category (Neon Genesis Evangelion Game: Girl of Steel), Popularity Category (Neon Genesis Death & Rebirth/ The End of Evangelion) and the Soundtrack Category

...

  • The Evangelion Digital Card Library by SEGA saturn has gone on sale last September 25 at the price of 4320 yen. Unless you have money to burn you might be a bit disappointed since it contains only the illustrations used in trading cards and some simple games.
  • The Neon Genesis Evangelion Screen Saver Volume 2 has gone on sale last September 12 in all computer software stores and anime stations. It is a Windows and Macintosh CD-Rom containing 20 different screen savers and 50 icons to supplement the Volume 1 which was previously released. The price is 6800 yen plus tax.

...

  • For those who are following the illustrated card series or Trading Cards of Evangelion. There is currently 3 kinds of trading cards on sale. They are the following:
  • 1. CARDDASS MASTERS PART 1 and PART 2 - 119mm by 63 mm cards. Both of which are 172 cards to complete the series (a total of 344 cards if you combine part 1 and part2). One pack of 10 cards cost 291 yen excluding tax.
  • 2. CARDDASS CARDS - 86 mm by 59 mm cards. A total of 109 cards to complete the series. One set of 5 cards cost 100 yen including tax.
  • 3. SEGA CARD COLLECTION PART 1 and PART 2 - 86 mm by 59 mm cards. Part 1 has a total of 44 cards while part 2 has 55 cards to complete the series. One card cost 20 yen including tax or one set of 34 cards cost 600 yen excluding tax.

(2) offers original Evangelion art while (1) and (3) has scenes from the show and graphic art by Sadamoto and New Type Magazine Staff. I recommend the (2) and the (3) type of trading cards. Now the news is, The Death and Rebirth Part of the Movie has been released as a trading card last August. It will be a CARDDASS MASTERS type of card and PART 3 of the series. One pack of 7 cards will cost 314 yen excluding tax. Watch for it in your nearest trading cards store or Toy Store.

  • There are currently 2 binders available for the Evangelion Trading Cards. The CARDDASS MASTERS and CARDDASS/SEGA card collection. Each offers a special number 00 card when you purchase them. Now the news is a special binder for the Evangelion movie has been released last August.

...

  • The exact copy of the R-55 Bag of Shinji which he used when he ran away in Episode 4 of the TV series is now on sale. It cost 9800 yen excluding tax. Visit your nearest Anime Stores for more information.
  • In case you dont know, Director Anno is a lover of UCC COFFEE, and has allowed that company to produce 6 special cans of UCC COFFEE bearing the pictures of six of the characters from Evangelion. The special edition coffee cans was released last July 1. Visit your nearest Seven-Eleven. Now the problem is how to drink the coffee inside the can without opening it ? Any suggestions ?

...

  • The EVANGELION COLLECTOR's DISC (CD_ROM) Vol 5 which started selling June 6 (6800 yen plus tax), this contains 200 pictures and illustrations from the TV series and the DEATH part of the movie, also includes voice, clock and calender.
  • EVANGELION PHOTO BOOK- 2015/The Last Year of Kaji (collector's edition) started selling this June. Thirty photographs (computer generated, you cant distinguish it from the real pictures) and 16 original Kaji reports are included. It is 4800 yen plus tax, again if you have money to burn then buy it else just let your friends buy it and look to judge it for yourself."

--Gwern (contribs) 22:27 28 February 2010 (GMT)

ANN[edit]

497 articles mentioning Eva. Good grief. I hope I don't wind up going through all those by myself... --Gwern (contribs) 22:27 28 February 2010 (GMT)

I'll read and see what there is. it appears that there's enough info to make another NGE article about this trading card game. or we start making tables for the list of media.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Work[edit]

Hi. I whant ask you the help. Can you finish this article in simple english? In advance thanks. 82.193.155.236 (talk) 16:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

you can just look for it on your own. it's just adding info right? just look in the rei ayanami article in this wikipedia.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


Relationship sections[edit]

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I've been wondering about the relevance of relationship sections when it comes to articles about an individual character, i believe they take up so much information and only talks about how the main character interacts with certain characters, wouldn't it be easier to merge some of the main points of relationship with personality or something similar to that.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Portals and WikiProject Banners[edit]

FYI, WPBANNERMETA now supports adding portals to each Workgroup/taskforce line. You may want to add the Eva portal to the line in the WPANIME banner that lists the Eva TF. 70.29.210.155 (talk) 11:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Evangelion up for deletion[edit]

Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Evangelion Dream Focus 22:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Redirected to Portal:Anime and manga. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 23:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline[edit]

FYI, Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline has been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 06:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Sephiroth[edit]

FYI, the usage of Sephiroth (Tree of Life) is under discussion, see Talk:Sephiroth (Final Fantasy). 76.66.203.138 (talk) 05:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline[edit]

Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline is up for deletion again. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Any idea where the first AFD is at? It seems to be missing. Dream Focus 20:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Neon Genesis Evangelion glossary nominated for articles for deletion[edit]

I have nominated Neon Genesis Evangelion glossary for deletion. Please join the discussion here and share your comments. Jfgslo (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Neon genesis evangelion manga name change[edit]

I changed the manga of "Gakuen Datenroku" to Campus Apocalypse. It would be a great help if you changed the links to "Gakuen Datenroku" to "Campus Apocalypse" in other related articles so no further confusion be made.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Evangelion disambig page deletion discussion[edit]

See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 January 18#Evangelion. --Gwern (contribs) 15:40 18 January 2011 (GMT)

Evangelion[edit]

See Talk:Evangelion where it is being discussed whether NGE is ever appropriate to be refered to as Evangelion, and whether the religious term should be primary over the disambiguation page. 65.93.13.210 (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Evangelion World @ Fuji-Q Highland[edit]

Found out today that this attraction is coming to Fuji-Q Highland, providing yet another reason to go to Japan when things are sorted out.

BrokenSphereMsg me 22:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

This is the same thing as Neon Genesis Evangelion#Amusement park, no? --Gwern (contribs) 01:21 12 April 2011 (GMT)

Hiroyuki Tsuchida[edit]

There's a notice about Hiroyuki Tsuchida at WT:JAPAN -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Plot summary bloating in Evangelion 3.0[edit]

Dear editors of Eva project,

I need some help from you guys here. Evangelion 3.0: You can (not) redo's plot section is bloating because of an anonymous user. I've reverted his edits twice already, along with informing him of the word count limit, but he doesn't listen. This guy is showing signs of edit warring by always reverting my edits back, and I don't want to start an edit war. Now the article is full of fancruft and terms only Eva fans would understand, plus speculation besides. Can any active editors help me convince this guy and undo the bloat? I would appreciate some help here. Greatly. Thank you. Anthonydraco (talk) 15:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

probably get an admin and see if its possible to get the article semi blocked from Annon IP users.Lucia Black (talk) 20:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)