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Name page that is too long[edit]

Please comment at Talk:Abdur Rahman on what to do about this very long page. Ego White Tray (talk) 8:04 pm, 5 May 2013, last Sunday (5 days ago) (UTC−5)

Chisholm Surname[edit]

Base page (http://www.chisholmname.com/scotland.html) suggesting an alternative name meaning. it has been removed when i try to edit but another alternative meaning needs to be added; The name Chisholm is said to be derived from a Norman French word "chese" meaning "to choose" and the Saxon word "holm" meaning "meadow.” The family became established initially at Roxburgh (near Kelso), once an important wool town in the Scottish borders. According to legend, two Chisholm brothers saved the life of the king of Scotland from a wild boar in the 14th century. Taken from http://www.chisholmname.com/scotland.html. Please add the edit.This meaning was also confirmed as a passed down meaning in a friend's family Chisum variation.

Barrett (name) correction request to Admin[edit]

Please correct the following inaccurate statement regarding the Barrett name.

Barrett is a common Afrikaans surname that occurs in South Africa.[citation needed]

The name Barrett has never been associated with the Afrikaans people. Whilst there are people who live in South Africa with the Barrett name they are usually descendents from the United Kingdom.

As can be verified on one of the links submitted below, a search on the white pages of South Africa reveals a grand total of 127 results for Barrett, including business numbers.

I submit the following for consideration:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Afrikaans-language_surnames

http://buzzsouthafrica.com/afrikaans-names/

http://www.behindthename.com/submit/names/usage/afrikaans

http://www.whitepages.co.za/search/barrett/south+africa/1

PROD for Ohbabynames[edit]

Ohbabynames is within the scope of this project. I have proposed it for deletion on several grounds, all pointed out five years ago or more and not dealt with since:

  1. The subject is not notable as far as the article shows: all the references are either to its own domain, or to sites that list domains or domain information.
  2. The article itself is promotional.
  3. The article is an orphan.

Micha[edit]

When you mention Polish, Czech, Slovak and other derivats of the name Michel, you can say dalmatian name Micho [Mi:ʃo]. Thanks you LaDoga213.149.62.191 (talk) 16:02, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Dave (given name)[edit]

What Daves should be listed here? WP:APOENTRIES isn't much help. Clearly this list is not exhaustive; there are thousands of Daves that have articles. Neither are these people generally known simply as "Dave". So why are these Daves listed? And if there's no good reason to include these Daves and exclude others, should the list simply be removed per WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and the article left as a one-line stub about the name? —swpbT go beyond 16:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

These Daves are listed because no one has yet gotten around to adding other notable Daves. I'm not sure where NOTDIRECTORY comes into play—it's not like we are adding Dave's phone number. -- Tavix (talk) 18:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Are these really the most notable Daves? Is is realistic (or useful) to add all the notable Daves? WP:NOTDIRECTORY is certainly broader than phone numbers – what is the encyclopedic value of the list as it stands? —swpbT go beyond 13:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, the article is on the name Dave, so people with the name Dave is certainly relevant to that end. With popular names, a shortcut I've seen used to some success is to link to a disambiguation page when there are multiple people with the same full name. You can see this play out in a couple different formats at Garcia (surname) and List of people with surname Smith, for example. And yes, NOTDIRECTORY is broader than phone numbers (which is just one of the examples), but you still haven't elucidated how it's relevant to this situation. -- Tavix (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
  • The page should be deleted following multiple precedents e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people named Jacob. It is sufficient to add {{lookfrom|Dave}} at the end of the article David (name). We do not make lists of people with common names. Oh dear, there is a List of people named David; that should be nominated for deletion, along with most of Category:Lists of people by given name. The people known simply as David (kings, saints etc) can be listed at David (disambiguation), see MOS:DABNAME. – Fayenatic London 11:33, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
    • WP:DABNAME specifically says that these pages should not be deleted: For short lists of name holders, new sections of People with the surname Xxxx or People with the given name Xxxx can be added below the main disambiguation list. For longer lists, and as an alternative for a short list, create an anthroponymy list article and link to it from the disambiguation page. -- Tavix (talk) 17:15, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
    • That's an old AfD. A newer one would be Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg with a different outcome. There are many more lists of even more common names than that as well. —Xezbeth (talk) 21:24, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:von Mises#Requested move 23 August 2018[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:von Mises#Requested move 23 August 2018. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Interwiki[edit]

Some Wikipedias contain pages about surnames, some contain disambiguations. Please compare Hanusch and de:Hanusch. My interwiki has been removed even if the two pages contain similar informations.Xx236 (talk) 06:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@Xx236: Each Wikipedia project has its own standards and rules. What the English Wikipedia decides to do is going to be different from other projects in some respects. Neither is necessarily wrong. — Gorthian (talk) 03:26, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Jerry -> Jerahmiel[edit]

I came across the page about Jerry Grafstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Grafstein to learn that Jerry is diminutive of Jerahmiel (ירחמיאל), yet on Jerry page, "Jerahmiel" is not part of the diminutives list. That should be corrected. 46.117.145.190 (talk) 11:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Query regarding fixing of a name list[edit]

The query is regarding Makan (name), which I created yesterday.

Firstly, there are two entries in it, namely Ajay Maken & Lalit Maken. Large number of sources mention their name Ajay Makan & Lalit Makan as well. So, is it fine to add these names in the Makan (name) list? In fact, we can mention in the first sentence of Makan (name) that 'Makan or Maken is a name', and can then directly add links of Ajay Maken & Lalit Maken (without mentioning Ajay Makan & Lalit Makan). Also, is it fine to mention those names as their alternative names in the lead of their respective articles (as I did here)?

Secondly, Makan is a redirect as of now. Should we convert it to a DAB page? It will look something like the following:

Makan or Maken may refer to:

We can also also add Maken-ki! & Maken X to the above list, along with adding Makkan in the above suggested DAB page's See also section. And we can also create Maken as a redirect to Makan.

Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:05, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Strange list format[edit]

I ran across Reed (name)#Notable persons with the surname Reed, which is the strangest format I've seen yet, if anyone is interested in standardizing it. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I've seen that one before and bailed out of trying to change it, since it will take hours. It needs a full rewrite at some point since I imagine there's loads of missing entries as well. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:44, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
The format is unusual, but quite sensible and clear – I don't think trying to standardise it would be anything but busywork. – Uanfala (talk) 08:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
How is it clear? It doesn't even tell you who Luman Reed is. The few bits of information are also presented in the wrong order for no discernible reason and it segregates pseudonyms for no reason. If someone's looking for someone called "Reed" then why would they care if it's a pseudonym or not? It also tells you whether they emigrated to another country as if that's relevant information, and the focus on ethnicity is more akin to a genealogical dictionary than an enyclopedic list. —Xezbeth (talk) 10:44, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, descriptors are indeed lacking, but they could be added without changing the structure, and yes, the few pseudonyms could be interleaved with the main entries. My point was that there's nothing "wrong" with the ordering: the order within the entrties: nationality – dates – name – (occupation) is not any less clear, or any more arbitrary, than name – dates – nationality – occupation. And the order of the entries (by birth date) is arguably better than the standard: we tend to order alphabetically, but a reader who's looking for a particular person with the surname is less likely to know the first name than either their occupation or the broad period in which they lived. – Uanfala (talk) 10:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

The Xhosa clan names article/list is a mess![edit]

It consists mostly of long unstructured lists of names, without any sources or explanations (at least not in English). The few sources that are cited support very little of the actual content. Unless we can find a subject expert I'm not sure the page can actually be fixed. BTW the talk page contains what looks like some discussions in Xhosa, but Google translate turns it into nonsensical English which is of no use at all to the rest of us who don't know the language. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)