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United pax offload incident[edit]

Many of you will be aware of the recent incident on a United Airlines aircraft when a passenger was forcibly removed from an aircraft that was overbooked and sustained moderate injuries. This is looking like a major PR disaster for United Airlines. As things stand at the moment, it has probably already passed WP:GNG and could well sustain an article. There is a precedent that such incidents can sustain articles - United Breaks Guitars.

Might be worth discussing here as to whether or not there should be an article. Mjroots (talk) 05:44, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Like all such incidents it is difficult to make the non-aviation editor understand the weight of such incidents against the history of the airline but as they can see it on social media and the news is must be important. If it does turn out to have an effect on the business then it may be worth a mention on the United article but hardly a stand-alone article. It appears that it was actually a United Express Embraer 170 flight operated by Republic but that doesnt appear to have been noted as it doesnt fit the anti-United theme. MilborneOne (talk) 07:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it was United Express Flight 3411 on 9 April, but it is United Airlines that are copping the flak. Mjroots (talk) 08:20, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
United Airlines Flight 3411 has been created, and nominated for deletion.Mjroots (talk) 14:11, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Clearly is a bit of PR disaster for United but we are now seeing a bit of a pile on and attempts to add other United are crap stories. MilborneOne (talk) 16:06, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
There's been a website around for 20 years or so dedicated to United Airlines complaints. It is called, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:13, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Then if there are that many, is it time for United are crap or Lists of reasons why United are crap? I'm failing to see this reasoning why "Oh, it's just one incident of many" is diluting WP:N for this incident. As Mjroots pointed out, this was just one passenger on one flight, but it's going to be one long-running PR problem for them. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:15, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I dont have a problem with the notability as a PR failure for United and United Express of the recent incident, although it now appears the "deboarding" and handling of the passenger was actually done by "aviation officers" and not Republic. It does concern me that every gripe against United is tagged onto the one incident. Perhaps also a lesson on using your name on other airlines aircraft. MilborneOne (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Helipad Cost to Buildings[edit]

How much does a helipad add to the cost of a building. As you can see in the foreground, the Mt. Sinai hospital in Los Angeles, has several helipads, ranked for different weights of helicopters:,-118.3789237,525a,35y,39.33t/data=!3m1!1e3 The one in the center is ranked "15," for 15,000 pounds, while the one in the back left is ranked "12" for 12,000 pounds.

Does anyone have any idea how much it costs to add such a helipad to the roof of a building, and how much more it adds to the cost to increase the poundage to support heavier and heavier helicopters?

If so, you could add it to the Wikipedia Helipad page: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:31EB:2EC0:F8DD:9DBA:8A67:71F5 (talk) 01:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

There is no sensible answer. It depends very much on the building: Does it need reinforcing, does it need its roof replacing with a flat one? etc. etc. Forget it. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Suborbital spaceplane[edit]

There's been a suggestion to merge Suborbital spaceplane to Spaceplane since 2010. Please participate at the discussion at talk:Suborbital spaceplane. -- (talk) 04:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

PD AeroSpace[edit]

I've started a draft about this company at Draft:PD AeroSpace; it has an article on Japanese Wikipedia. I was wondering if there's more available about this company (I cannot read Japanese, I'll be using MTL to read any such sources, such as Google Translate). -- (talk) 08:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

This is now live, per advise from WP:JAPAN -- (talk) 04:14, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Sonaca 200[edit]

Some attention is welcome on the Sonaca 200 article. Most work on it was obviously done by someone very close to the project but little acquainted with Wikipedia. I do not question the good intentions but there is room left for improvement, in aligning the article to Wikipedia standards. I already did my best but am uncertain at several points - the right way to do unit conversions for one example. Jan olieslagers (talk) 14:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Discussion re inclusion of an article in a list[edit]

A discussion is ongoing at Talk:List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft re the inclusion or not of the United Express Flight 3411 incident on that list. Please feel free to contribute. Mjroots (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:United Airlines#Multiple issues[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:United Airlines#Multiple issues. epicgenius (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC) There is a dispute about whether historical logos should be used in the article's "history" section. Some editors say it is advertising, while others disagree. Any comments are appreciated. Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

first trans-Pacific flight pages[edit]

(edit: I just saw the suggestion on top, and will copy this for the aircraft sub-group as well) I've only learned about this topic recently, and have fiddled with some edits, but must say that this seems to be one of the most underreported major historical events in aviation and world history. The first non-stop trans-Pacific flight, with only one remaining artifact - the plane's propeller, I'd say that it's a national treasure, exhibited in the state of Washington near the plane's landing site - and the pilot and co-pilot telling interesting circumstances and tales about this flight (by the way, we have no article on the co-pilot of the first non-stop trans-Pacific flight if anyone would like to have a go at it) I've come here to ask the project to take a look at working on, improving, and linking the following articles: Miss Veedol, Clyde Pangborn, Hugh Herndon, and Wenatchee Valley Museum & Cultural Center. Thanks. History is so great when you come upon something new like this, at least new for me, and realizing that the world has underappreciated a historical event and artifact. I'd say that as an artifact the propeller is in a group just below the Syng inkstand as important but little-known American objects. I wish we had a picture of it. Randy Kryn 01:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion[edit]

There is a proposal to move Pilot (aeronautics) to Aviator at Talk:Pilot (aeronautics)#Requested move 8 May 2017. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

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Noordzee Helikopters Vlaanderen[edit]

Could someone sufficiently knowledgeable take a look at Noordzee Helikopters Vlaanderen? The pictures look over large to me, and one carries a "copyright" mark. Jan olieslagers (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixed - Ahunt (talk) 21:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Two unrelated orphan articles needing eyes[edit]

Can someone take a look at Aviation System Performance Metrics and Autonomous air combat manoeuvring instrumentation and let me know if they actually do need their own articles, or if either would be better merged & redirected to a parent? And if they should remain standalone, is there someplace I could link to either to de-orphan them? These articles are unrelated but they are both orphans that I'd love to get out of the Feb 2009 orphans backlog. ♠PMC(talk) 05:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

PMC I would suggest that Autonomous air combat manoeuvring instrumentation would be better as a paragraph in Air combat maneuvering instrumentation. MilborneOne (talk) 16:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Beauty thank you! That's one down :) ♠PMC(talk) 22:22, 24 May 2017 (UTC)