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DSL Mariners 2[edit]

Last night I was updating some of the Dominican Summer League roster templates and it appears that the second DSL Mariners team has folded. I was unable to find any sources, but they aren't listed on the DSL schedule page and clicking on the roster link in the template returns a (mostly) blank page. The template should be deleted, or redirected to the other Mariners DSL team roster page, in my opinion. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 16:48, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

As I am still unable to find any info on the DSL Mariners 2 team, I am going to redirect the page. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 23:19, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

"Uncle Jake McGee"[edit]

Please note that the editor adding "Uncle Jake McGee" as a nickname to Jake McGee is active once again, and has now used two different IPs to disrupt the page. See the page history from March, as well as the RPP and the 3RR report I have filed for more information. Assistance in keeping an eye on this user would be greatly appreciated. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 23:18, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Past playing positions listed in infobox for current coaches[edit]

Doesn't it seem misleading to have current coaches' former playing positions listed in the infobox alongside their coaching position? For example, at first glance it looks like Barry Bonds currently wears 25 and plays left field for the Marlins while also serving as hitting coach. In football we only include the current coaching position (see Dick LeBeau), and it looks like that's done in basketball as well (Jason Kidd). Is this a traditional baseball thing or something? I searched the talk page archives and the style advice page but I couldn't find anything on this with a quick search. Lizard (talk) 03:58, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Ideally, a baseball person should have their current position at the top of the infobox, and past playing positions of any staff and execs should be listed somewhere else in the infobox. The problem with Dick LeBeau in the NFL is that his playing position is not anywhere in the infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Brett Phillips[edit]

I would appreciate if anyone would chime in at Talk:Brett_Phillips_(baseball)#2016_spring_training_competition. Thanks. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

All-Star Game MVP[edit]

Last time I checked, it was against the consensus of this WikiProject for the MLB All-Star Game MVP Award to be listed in players' infoboxes. However, I wanted to verify that this is still the consensus regarding that award. An IP editor placed it back into Eric Hosmer's infobox a little while ago (completely ignoring the hidden note, as everyone always does), and I cannot revert it right now since I've already reverted it three times in less than 24 hours. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 21:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_32#Standard_infobox is where this was discussed. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Hold the phone. You're saying people ignore hidden notes? Preposterous. Lizard (talk) 22:00, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Off topic- This Baseball fan lost interest in the all-star game a long time ago. Maybe due to Dave Parker getting the 1979 game MVP. He guns down two baserunners, but one of them was after me misplayed a fly ball to right. Lee Mazilli homers to tie the game and draws a bases loaded walk to force in the winning run doesn't get the award. What's wrong with that picture? It's an exhibition game not to be taken seriously....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:48, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
The NBA's is also an exhibition, but the AS MVP is more associated with a player's legacy there.—Bagumba (talk) 02:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
For anyone who is unaware, Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Player style advice contains the consensus guidance for player articles, including highlights in the infobox. isaacl (talk) 02:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Please re-evaluate article rating?[edit]

Team, I recently significantly expanded the article from FRED FRANKHOUSE from 3 uncited lines to what it is currently. I'm asking that the article be reevaluated for class rating, and for suggestions as to what I can do to improve the article. Thanks. --JGHSMC (talk) 04:39, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

On a quick look through, just on content it looks like a solid C class. The infobox has some stuff that I'm not sure belongs, but that's easily fixed. The article is well-sourced, but maybe too sourced. Overciting can be an issue as all those footnotes can distract the reader. If a fact isn't likely to be challenged typically only one citation will do. "The dog barked" doesn't need 4 different sources to confirm that the dog barked, because that's what dogs do. Lizard (talk) 06:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
  • The article is not a C class, there are issues with the reliability of the sources, especially using an ancestry.com self-published source, which I'm sure is against policy. I also have questions about using this as a reliable source as I don't believe it had editorial oversight. Many of the content sourced with those two citations can be sourced elsewhere as it is not controversial content. I agree with Lizard about the citation overkill, especially when it's strictly disallowed like the lead. Also the pictures are not your own work as you clearly didn't photograph them. I read somewhere that pictures after 1923 that are published in the United States are copyrighted unless there proof to the contrary, in which you need to change the tag. I removed two of the images in question. Prevan (talk) 17:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame navigational boxes nominated for deletion[edit]

I have nominated the 13 Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame navigational boxes for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:41, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Big Three (Atlanta Braves)[edit]

This article was recently created, but I'm not sure what to think about it. As a Braves fan, I rarely recall hearing that term used. Not sure the article is needed either. Any thoughts?. - BilCat (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

It would need to meet WP:GNG, with the threesome as a group (not individually) receiving significant coverage. No opinion whether it meets it, but the article currently being sourced purely from stats from baseball-reference.com gives no indication that it's anything but WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. Reads like a fan essay, with no actual evidence of the title ever having been used. oknazevad (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Google search make the topic look promising.[1] However, the content read like pure OR, cherrypicking fan memories from a stats site.—Bagumba (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree with the "fan essay" comment. The article would be more at home in a sports magazine rather than an encyclopedia. That being said, Wikipedia does have similar articles such as Murderers' Row.Orsoni (talk) 16:08, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there is Category:Nicknamed groups of baseball players. These articles can be effective when secondary sources are used to describe why the group is notable. One of the worst examples is something like Generation K (or Big Three (Miami Heat) in basketball), which is just three sections describing the members individually; that's what bios are for.—Bagumba (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I recall them being known as "Generation K", though. That article can be improved. Was "Big Three" really a nickname for either the Braves or Heat? I don't know. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Fkr the Heat, most certainly, though it may have been used for the Celtics first a couple of years prior with the Pierce-Garnett-Bosh trio. But that still doesn't tell us anything about whether or not the term was actually used for the Braves pitching staff at that time. oknazevad (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Neutrality concerns at Joe West (umpire)[edit]

I have a disagreement with Wpete510 over some edits to Joe West's article that I didn't find to be especially balanced. While Wpete510 has made a honest effort to clean up the wording, I am still concerned about the necessity of including the quotes from the White Sox announcers. To put it frankly, White Sox broadcasters have tended not to be the most level-headed, rational bunch, and broadcasters in general are often not a good source for fair-minded evaluation of umpiring performance. I still don't think the phrasing is very neutral, and I am concerned based on this edit that Wpete510 never intended to be neutral. Since I don't want to get involved in an edit war, I'd appreciate it if a few others could take a look, even if they just end up telling me that I'm being overly picky. Lepricavark (talk) 11:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)