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RFC on sports notability[edit]

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I was about to ask about an RFC on just WP:NBASE. Would it be too soon for just that following this RFC? South Nashua (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes. What are your issues with NBASE? Perhaps you should discuss them here first? Spanneraol (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Sure. Personally, I think notability is established if someone is drafted in the Major League Baseball draft. I'd like to see that added. I also personally think notability is established if a game is played in a major-league affiliated minor league. I know with soccer, notability is established if a player plays a game on a fully professional side. In this day and age, just about all minor league players are fully professional, if not all. If one assumes that every professional player was in Little League at some point and the 2.6 million figure is accurate for registered Little League players, that would mean that anyone playing in the Majors or the Minors is in the top .001% of that group. Reaching that echelon among a group that size is a notable accomplishment. South Nashua (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Have you considered how many people are drafted every year and how many people play in the minor leagues? That would be a ton of new articles and players in the low minors get very little coverage unless they are a top prospect. There are currently 40 rounds in the draft each year, and it has been around since 1965. And in the past teams could have as many as 20 minor league affiliates. The tides at NSPORTS seem to be moving towards making things more restrictive rather than less restrictive. Currently it is a rather simple line that is easy to understand.. one major league game... if you extend it to one minor league game or a draft pick it gets really more contentous. Spanneraol (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure how it becomes more contentious. I'm new to this Wikiproject, but I'm assuming Baseball Reference and other comparable sites would could as reliable external sources? There's a bio on there for pretty much everybody who's ever picked up a baseball professionally in the U.S. I understand what you're saying regarding restrictiveness, but I think it would serve the encyclopedia if there was a standardized restrictiveness across the board for all sports. The only real difference between somebody who plays in League 2 of the English Football Pyramid and someone who plays in Single-A or Double-A baseball is the lack of franchise affiliations. The comparable level of play is the same across the sports, and yet the soccer player is considered notable and the baseball player is not. South Nashua (talk) 18:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Baseball Reference and other stats sites are considered routine coverage and can't be used to indicate that a player meets English Wikipedia's standards for having an article. In the end, there needs to be enough significant, independent, non-promotional, non-routine, secondary coverage in reliable sources so that a biography can be written. Stats sites don't provide this. isaacl (talk) 19:53, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
That's just it, there are minor leaguers where that can be established. If not all, then most. Generally a minor league team isn't going to be located in a city that isn't large enough not to have its own media sources. You'd think you'd be able to build something decent between that coverage and the Baseball Reference background. Conversely, for players who have a Cup of coffee callup, there's a still a possibility that there might not be much, even though it's a certainty that there's something. South Nashua (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
As I discussed elsewhere, sports journalism has promotional aspects as well as local community coverage concerns which have to be carefully weighed when evaluating its suitability as sources demonstrating that Wikipedia's standards for having an article have been met. If you feel you can go through the roster of your favourite minor league team and illustrate how they all meet Wikipedia's standards, it would be helpful for making the case of broadening the rules of thumb for baseball players. isaacl (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Good enough. Thanks. South Nashua (talk) 04:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report[edit]

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Could someone help identify this 2017 Seattle Mariner?[edit]

Hi guys -

I am uploading some images I took on a recent baseball road trip and I have a doubt about the identity of one player here. I obviously thought it was Guillermo Heredia at first, but now I am not as sure. Looking at other photos of Heredia, he didn't previously have facial hair, so is it just the goatee making him look a little different? Heredia played in that game and he scored a run around the approximate time the pic would have been taken. I can't find any other Seattle player or coach who this might be. Thanks! EricEnfermero (Talk) 05:55, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

The most recent pics of him on other news sites over the past day or two do show him with some stubble, so yes that's definitely Heredia. Wizardman 14:03, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate it! EricEnfermero (Talk) 20:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge: Opposite field into Glossary of baseball[edit]

I would've just done this myself, but I've been very inactive, so don't want to step on any toes. I don't see the purpose of or justification for opposite field as a separate article. Discuss! Staxringold talkcontribs 13:39, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

If there were ever a term that should just be done it's this. The article is literally one paragraph when the indiscriminate list of players is removed. No discussion needed, I'll just do it. oknazevad (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2017 (UTC) PS, please don't put all caps in section headers.
@Oknazevad: I think you just jinxed yourself. Apparently Mk8mlyb opposes this. Winner 42 Talk to me! 23:27, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Id like to see why. oknazevad (talk) 01:38, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
I just wanted to see the indiscriminate list of players. If you keep merging the article, I won't be able to do that. Mk8mlyb (talk) 10:27, 29 May 2017
Hello? Anybody here? Mk8mlyb (talk) 10:30, 29 May 2017
You'll need a much better reason than that. Lepricavark (talk) 04:02, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't really mean to keep the edit permanent. If I visit the page, I'll just do my thing and after I'm done, I'll just redirect the page or let you do it. I'm sorry if I rubbed people the wrong way. I don't trash people unlike a lot of other people who engage in these types of discussions. Mk8mlyb (talk) 11:06, 29 May 2017
Support merge - no need for separate article. Content is concise enough to fit in glossary, and unlikely to ever be expanded upon. Timtempleton (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Support Lizard (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Renaming Fox MLB back to MLB on Fox[edit]

Someone's asked on the talk page of Fox Major League Baseball about reverting back to the commonly used version (Major League Baseball on Fox). If you want, you can do so there.Z.I. Barbour (talk) 22:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Jerry Layne[edit]

An IP is edit-warring to add UNDUE material to the article. I'm at 3RR, so I'd greatly appreciate it if someone else would step in and deal with this POV-pushing. Lepricavark (talk) 03:24, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Who is the player on the far right?[edit]

Jimmie Foxx, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Al Simmons.jpg

Hi guys -

I noticed that this image - the file name of which indicates that it's Foxx, Ruth, Gehrig and Mickey Cochrane - is sometimes captioned on WP and off WP as Foxx, Ruth, Gehrig and Al Simmons. Cochrane and Simmons apparently did look somewhat alike, but which one is correct? I notice that the image appears on the WP pages of both Simmons and Cochrane, so one of those is erroneous. To make it a little more confusing, both players were on the Athletics in the 1930s, but both had moved on to Detroit before December 1936 when this image is said to have been created. EricEnfermero (Talk) 04:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

It's Al Simmons. Cochrane's ears are more pointy, while Simmons's ears are round as in the picture. Their noses are also quite different – Cochrane's is flatter, while in the picture we can see a thinner and upper nose. Eyebrows also look like Simmons's. Also that chin is Simmons's. They are quite different when you look more into them and that is most certainly Simmons in the photo. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:27, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
There is a very similar photo on the BHOF website; they also identify the "fourth guy" as Simmons. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 14:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I was thinking of moving the file to the appropriate name and just didn't want to create more confusion unless I was sure. EricEnfermero (Talk) 08:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

New book, via Chronicle of Higher Education[edit]

"Kansas Baseball, 1858-1941 by Mark E. Eberle (University Press of Kansas; 400 pages; $45 hardcover, $27.95 paperback). A history of the sport in the state, with special attention to teams of immigrants, women, American Indians, African-Americans, and Mexican-Americans." (via Chronicle of Higher Education) Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 17:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

NL and AL infoboxes[edit]

From the Wikipedia article on sports conferences:

Major League Baseball does not use the word "conference." Instead, it is divided into two separate leagues which are identical to the conferences listed above in all but name (which, although their operations have been integrated via the Commissioner of Baseball in modern times, were originally separately managed organizations with an intense rivalry). These are the American League (AL) and National League (NL), with 15 teams each.

For that reason, I considered replacing the Infoboxes used on their respective articles with the one used for conferences and divisions. Should I do it? Z.I. Barbour (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Nah, because the articles cover the entire history of the leagues, each of which had over a century of independent legal personality. There's very few differences between the infoboxes anyway. oknazevad (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

MLB rivalry input requested[edit]

Input is requested at Talk:Major_League_Baseball_rivalries#Blue_Jays.E2.80.93Rangers_rivalry.3F. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Eric Hull[edit]

Former MLB pitcher Eric Hull's article was the target of IP vandalism earlier this month. I have now removed the vandalism, but only after it was in place for two weeks. I've added the page to my watchlist and would appreciate it if a few others would do the same as this is not the first time this page has been targeted by vandals. Also, please feel free to double check that I got all of the vandalism cleaned up. Lepricavark (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Images on season articles[edit]

Do we usually include images on specific season articles? I added some images to 2016 Detroit Tigers season and I'm wondering whether or not they are an improvement. Lepricavark (talk) 20:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Images are always a good idea. Spanneraol (talk) 21:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Designated for assignment vs. released[edit]

At Chris Young (pitcher)‎ there is some warring going on between the article stating that he has been released (supported by http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/#month=6&year=2017) and stating that he has been designated for assignment (supported by http://m.mlb.com/news/article/238495140/royals-designate-chris-young-who-enjoyed-ride/). I don't exactly know what the difference is or what the article should say. Right now the lead says one thing and the body says another.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

If a player is DFAd, the team has seven days to trade, waive, or release the player. I had seen that Young was released, but this appears unclear in this case. Younger players are less likely to be outright released. Older players like Young may get released more quickly. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
It looks like he was released. Sometimes DFA and release happen very quickly after each other. His bio page on mlb.com says he was released so i'd go with that. Spanneraol (talk) 20:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)