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Including career stats at the end of each season[edit]

Hello all. I've been editing the Steven Matz article, with the ultimate hope of working it up to GA status eventually. Muboshgu has been doing copy-edits on it, which have been helpful in reining in my tendency to go into a little too much detail. LOL But we had a difference of opinion on one specific bit and (at his suggestion) I was hoping to ask for opinions here and see if a WP:CONSENSUS can be reached. I had added a sentence to the end of the "2018" section of Matz's career saying what his record and ERA was to that point (the sentence was "After the 2018 season, his career record was 20–26, with a 3.98 ERA over 71 major-league starts."), which was removed on the basis of "we don't list his career stats after each season". I see that this indeed isn't usually included on articles about baseball players, but I also don't believe there is any kind of MOS or policy that prohibits it. I personally think it is worthwhile information to include, and it's obviously sourced so it abides by Wikipedia policy in this way, and in any event it's only one sentence added to the section. But I'd love to hear any opinions you guys have on the subject. — Hunter Kahn 18:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

my general concern on this article is the sheer amount of detail that's being added. It's just WP:TOOMUCH And I'm looking for places to trim. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I think the whole 2018 section has too much focus on the day-to-day rises and falls of the player's statistics. Such details are better left to the various baseball statistics reference sites. In general I think there is too much detail about his week-to-week performance. I appreciate there are some who think that a short summary of every game, or at least series, is desirable in a team season article. I think this is too much detail for a general encyclopedia, and think the equivalent for an individual is also overly detailed. isaacl (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
In general I think our coverage of active players is too much in the present tense and not nearly summative enough. That said, highlighting some numbers at the end of the season can be quite encyclopedic as in Britannica's coverage of Mike Trout. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
P.S. If you're going for GA make sure before you nominate it that you expand your lead so it serves as a introduction to the article. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oh yeah I will, I haven't even touched the lead yet. I usually add stuff to the body of the article first and then write up the lead afterwards. — Hunter Kahn 20:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
His career record and ERA are reflected in the infobox so they don't need to be included in the article.. I also would prefer to stay away from "as of such and such date" type phrasing as it quickly becomes out dated and is not very encyclopedic. The section on the 2019 season should include his final stats from that season, not his career numbers unless he hits a milestone during the season. Looking at the article, there is too much detail about how he did at certain dates... "by May 23" "at the start of June" etc. Spanneraol (talk) 21:19, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Nitpick: per MOS:INFOBOX, an infobox summarizes material from the article ("summarizes key features of the page's subject" and "an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored").
Other than that, I agree with the comments that there's too much detail in the article. Perhaps Hunter Kahn can review some of the FA-class (eg - J. R. Richard) and GA-class (eg - Doug Fister) baseball articles for some ideas about material to include and exclude from the article he's working on. Mindmatrix 01:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks all for the feedback. Based on the above, I'll keep the career stats mentions out of the end of each individual session, I'll try to reduce the amount of detail in my edits, and I'll go back and look through what I've already added to try to tighten it. I'll also review some of the articles Mindmatrix suggested. Much appreciated! — Hunter Kahn 01:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Small issue with 2019 Braves page[edit]

If anyone can take a second to look at the September schedule on the 2019 Atlanta Braves season I'd appreciate it. Seems like every cell is in bold, which isn't the same for August, July, etc. I can't find anything different in the code to be making it like this, but I'd appreciate any help on a fix. Thanks! Swimmer33 (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Swimmer33, there was a ! where a | should have been. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Harold Baines#Interim manager[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Harold Baines#Interim manager. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

2001 and 2018 NL Central[edit]

I don't get this. In 2001 the Cardinals and Astros tied with a record of 93-69, that year they awarded the Astros the Division title due to winning the season series. But how come it's got the Cardinals as a Wild card berth and Division title for 2001? If that's the case even with the new playoff format, the Cubs and Brewers should be co-champions last year with the record of 95-67. Which means on the Cubs page it should be Division title and Wild card berth for 2018 just like the Cardinals they have both in 2001. I don't get why there was a need of a tiebraker cause the Cubs beat the Brewers in the season series. Shouldn't it been Brewers Rockies WC? Here was the records last year without game 163:

NL Central: Cubs 95-67, Brewers 95-67

NL East: Braves 90-72

NL West: Dodgers 92-71

NL WC: Rockies 91-72 Sports Fan 1997 (talk) 14:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

How come who has that? The 2001 Cardinals season properly lists them as the wild card. There is only one division winner determined by tie-breakers as necessary. If some page lists the 2001 cards as division winners that page is incorrect and should be fixed. Spanneraol (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

It's got them in 2001 as the Division winner and WC berth. The other day I removed the 2001 from their Division title but someone said put it back and said they were co-champions per the article you reference; seeding procedures for post-season doesn't change that. Sports Fan 1997 (talk) 21:09, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I changed it. If it gets changed back, here is a better source for you to cite [1] as it clearly shows the Cardinals finished in 2nd place that season. Spanneraol (talk) 23:48, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
There was also an extensive discussion at Talk:St._Louis_Cardinals/Archive_1#Co-Championship that STL was 2nd.—Bagumba (talk) 06:51, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Looks like it's a bigger dispute again.. page is now locked apparently so could use some other voices on this. Spanneraol (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Well it's locked now and other users are wanting to add the 2019 Division title to the achievements, they won it yesterday. Sports Fan 1997 (talk) 11:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

We need one of our administrator members to take a look at it.. consensus is clearly in support of not including the 2001 title. Spanneraol (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, can you try to get one of them? Sports Fan 1997 (talk) 17:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spanneraol, I'm not really sure but did 9/11 play a factor that year? Is that why the records were tied? I'm not sure if they played all their games that year. Sports Fan 1997 (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

All the games were played that year.. they extended the season by a week to get in the makeup games from 9/11. Bagumba can you help with removing the page protection on the Cardinals page? Spanneraol (talk) 20:51, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, Muboshgu, Bagumba can y'all help us get it updated? We need to try to update it before the playoffs start tomorrow. Sports Fan 1997 (talk) 00:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
All good... I went back to the original admin that did the page protection and pointed them at the discussion so it's been removed now.Spanneraol (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
@Spanneraol and Sports Fan 1997: Glad you were able to get it resolved. I would have abstained anyways as an involved admin. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 05:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Francisco Melendez wikipedia article[edit]

Hello and good day. Go to 1987 San Francisco Giants team page and click on Francisco Melendez redirect. First, this page is in Spanish and obviously not about the baseball player born January 25, 1964 and who played MLB for the Phillies, Giants, and Orioles. It is about, I believe a soccer player born in 1997. Can someone revamp the article to pertain to the baseball player? Thanks and have a good day.2601:581:8000:BDC0:70EA:54F9:A405:50AA (talk) 12:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I've reverted the edits on Francisco Meléndez. It's about the baseball player again. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)