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Baseball team title moves[edit]

User:Conde da Wiki153 was making some seemingly odd moves of some former major and minor league baseball team titles. I attempted to restore the long-standing names, but I may have messed up some due to dab links. If I have, please feel free to let me know and I will clean up. Rlendog (talk) 01:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

He is still moving teams, re-naming them to the first ever name despite the teams often being much better known by later names... Have not been able to get him to discuss so far. Spanneraol (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

MiLB rosters out of date[edit]

Just a notice that I see lots of MiLB roster templates that are out of date. I've updated a few, but don't have the time to keep doing this all afternoon. Can anyone else jump in? It's mostly in the Class A levels, but also some at AA. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I can look at some of them later this evening. EricEnfermero (Talk) 18:05, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I've started my trip through updating these things... I tend to make two passes during a season, once when the season starts and then again after the short season leagues start... takes a little while to make my way through all of them though. Spanneraol (talk) 19:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
We probably should have done this before Opening Day. I'll have time tomorrow to work on this. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Can't really do it before opening day because most of the minor league teams dont actually have accurate rosters until the season starts. Oh, can I mention one more time how I absolutely loathe the minor league roster navboxes.. they are a complete waste of space. Spanneraol (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I've done maybe 10 DSL rosters so far. Spanish names are fun. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 20:09, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
They should all be updated through at least the start of the season now, even added the VSL rosters.. i'm on to the Mexican League rosters now.Spanneraol (talk) 23:02, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Managerial record tables[edit]

Are the manager articles supposed to contain win-loss records tables like the one found at Kevin Cash? Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't think there was a clear consensus the last time this was discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_39#Managerial_record. I don't mind some stats. I personally think end of season updates are sufficient for bios, not daily.—Bagumba (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Brandon Naples[edit]

Hello baseball experts! This old AfC submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable player? Should the page be kept and improved?—Anne Delong (talk) 21:14, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Not notable. Spanneraol (talk) 21:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Spanneraol. I have deleted it.—Anne Delong (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

AfD participation request[edit]

There are presently 15 AfD at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Baseball, and that number is likely to grow in the coming days. Right now, none of the discussions have seen participation from more than 5 users and several have barely been touched. It would be great if we could get some more eyes on these discussions so that consensus can be established without multiple relists. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 15:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Batting around[edit]

Of interest to some of you I expect is this article that just came out in the Wall Street Journal, with regard to disputes as to the meaning of the phrase "batting around" in baseball.

Our non-referenced (currently; someone may wish to address this) Wikipedia definition of the term is mentioned:

Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia, stands at odds with Wiktionary, its online-dictionary sister. "When the player who led off the inning makes a second plate appearance in the same inning, it is called "batting around," says Wikipedia. Wiktionary says batting around means "to have at least nine batters bat in a half inning."

--Epeefleche (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC

  • I myself agree with both John Thorn and Vin Scully and believe that batting around implies 10 or men come to the plate. However, I'm not sure which of the two choices has received the biggest use throughout history. Penale52 (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • You cant "bat around" unless the same guy comes up to bat twice in an inning.. the term doesnt make sense otherwise. It comes from keeping score when you have to go to use the space for the next inning in your scorebook for the continuing inning. Spanneraol (talk) 20:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • My view, based wholly on OR, is that a team has batted "around" when the 9th batter has completed his at bat (or, more accurately, plate appearance).
Just as a runner has run "around" the bases when he has touched the 4th (and final) base (home plate).
After the 9th batter has completed his plate appearance, and before the 10th batter even takes his first pitch, I believe the team has "batted around."
BTW, it comes up in Glossary of baseball (B) and in Batting order (baseball) on Wikipedia. Epeefleche (talk) 20:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm in the 10 batters to bat around camp, for exactly the scorekeeping reason Spanneraol says. — X96lee15 (talk) 21:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Dickson dictionary says 10, so I added the cite to the article. Others can expand to include the minority view if they want.—Bagumba (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Tx. Dickson is a bit more subtle than that -- I've clarified what they say (9 have come up, "with the 10th batter coming up"). Also added a bit about there being different views. It can still be expanded upon. Epeefleche (talk) 23:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I can offer only anecdotal evidence, but I have delved deep into my memory. The play-by-play announcers have always said a team has "batted around" when the 10th man has come to the plate. The statement seemed to coincide with the viewer's realization that this inning was officially out of control; being that it was rare to see that same player bat more than once in an inning.Neonblak talk - 16:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • In my mind, batting around refers to when the 10th batter of the inning steps to the plate. Canuck89 (converse with me) 21:49, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Watchlist[edit]

I seem to recall that there used to be a page where one could track changes to all articles that are part of this WikiProject. However, I can't find any such page. Does anyone know if what I'm looking for still exists? Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Is this page what you are looking for? Spanneraol (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I think I know what he means, but that's not it. I'm trying to remember... – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
You can do it from here [1] but i'm not sure if there is an easier way. Spanneraol (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that should work nicely. Thanks a lot! Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
"Related changes" only reports links that are on that page. i.e. links on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball page in this case, that have changed. It does not report all the changes to articles that are tagged for the project.—Bagumba (talk) 00:20, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
I think you are referring to this watchlist before which was removed due to those toolserver changes a while back. Not sure if there is an equivalent.—Bagumba (talk) 00:20, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was referencing. Too bad it's gone now. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


Lots of vandalism on Josh Hamilton right now... trade probably wont be completed till at least monday as MLB and the union will want to look at this... so could use some help keeping an eye on that one. Spanneraol (talk) 02:32, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I've protected it for 3 days.—Bagumba (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
👍 Like ‹See TfD› – Muboshgu (talk) 03:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Beltway Series and previous teams[edit]

An anon from 2013 and I agree that it doesn't make sense to include predecessor teams from Montreal and St. Louis at Beltway Series, an article about a Baltimore-Washington rivalry. I don't know if the project has a standard practice or anything, but your input at Talk:Beltway Series#Combined stats are incorrect would be appreciated. --BDD (talk) 15:12, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of relevance to this project[edit]

I have opened the following discussion that may be of interest to those who frequent this page: Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Is_the_Intercontinental_Cup_.28baseball.29_a_major_international_competition. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Chet McNabb - playing and/or coaching career?[edit]

I think that Chester D. "Chet" McNabb might have been a minor league baseball player and coach. Can anyone confirm that this guy (who had a cup of coffee in the NBA's early days) played/coached baseball, and if so, which teams? Jrcla2 (talk) 21:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Just a little look on doesn't confirm your player. Closest being a Carl Mack "Skinny" McNabb, who was in the same age and career timeline.Neonblak talk - 21:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
The profile here seems to match up with the information in the article, so I'm sure those two are the same. He might have played beyond that one season in the minors, but as is that's all the info they have. As for a coaching career, he was a high school coach (what sport I'm not certain) while apparently also dealing with a pro baseball and basketball career; see here. All his Arizona-based work just makes me more curious about those two Baltimore games though; I couldn't find anything on those oddly enough. Wizardman 21:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the links Wizardman. I added a blurb about his baseball season in Phoenix. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2015 (UTC)