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Joseph Bradish[edit]

I'm a descendant of the Bradish family and have researched Bradish in the UK archives. He did not sail with Kidd, except when he was a prisoner on the same ship enroute from Boston to London. The timing of Kidd and Bradish is very close and each sailed on different ships named Adventure, hence much confusion. Eventually I hope to write this all out, if I can read my notes.

Rick Clarke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.21.241.139 (talk) 15:26, 5 April 2016

"Nader El-Bizri"[edit]

Please check what is taking place around the article "Nader El-Bizri" since this was proposed for deletion, but the reasons put forward touch upon statements that harm the reputation of the living person it covers. The ranking and merits of the work of a living person should be judged by their peers and not simply by random wikipedia users, especially if the deletion has not been requested by someone specializing in academia but by someone who has been covering businessmen and billionaires. Please check this serious matter since it lowers the integrity of wikipedia and causes actual harm to living people, especially if they are in the public domain and well known in their field. The article exists since 2008 and it received a thousand of edits, by multiple users, and visited by you and checked numerous times over the years. If you are unable to ckeck it, maybe suggest how to call for responsible and experienced editors to do. Thanks (2A02:C7D:36C6:8300:8170:FF93:C1C4:942C (talk) 12:19, 8 July 2017 (UTC))

Proposed deletion of Jan Konůpek[edit]

The article Jan Konůpek has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Lacks citations

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Proposed deletion of Juan Valdivia (insurgent soldier)[edit]

The article Juan Valdivia (insurgent soldier) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

orphan and dependent on only one source

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Help updating David Trone article[edit]

Greetings, WikiProject Biography members. On behalf of David Trone and Hickman Analytics, as part of my work with Beutler Ink, I have submitted an edit request to update Mr. Trone's Wikipedia article. I've proposed a few updates to the article's "Personal life" section, and suggested a few links for "Further reading" and/or "External links" sections. The proposed additions (which I've outlined here) are not very controversial, in my opinion, but I can't edit the article directly because of my COI and I'm looking for a neutral volunteer who can review the proposed text/links and update the article accordingly. Is a WP:BIO participant willing to help? Inkian Jason (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello! An editor has assisted with the first 2 requests outlined here, but there's one part left (#3) and the reviewing person would like more input. Is someone able to take a look at the proposed text, and update the article appropriately? Inkian Jason (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Sources for Joshua Waddington[edit]

I honestly could not find much articles on him, but I listed what I did find. - Book: https://books.google.com/books/about/CASE_OF_ELIZABETH_RUTGERS_VERS.html?id=KKhDvgAACAA - His court cases: https://books.google.com/books?id=HCNLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=joshua+waddington+facts&source=bl&ots=eh36sGUozs&sig=u4UDN8sKYexY9COZ0s-- BFtaHkGo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQtJjTrILVAhWLcj4KHWtJBCIQ6AEIRzAG#v=onepage&q=joshua%20waddington%20facts&f=false - Famous court cases: http://www.nycourts.gov/history/legal-history-new-york/legal-history-eras-02/history-new-york-legal-eras-rutgers-waddington.html Longtallsid (talk) 23:37, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Good article reassessment: Hermann Graf[edit]

An article that is of interest to this project has been nominated for community reassessment. The discussion can be found here:

Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Hermann Graf/1.

Interested editors are invited to weigh in. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Outline of revisions for Joshua Waddington[edit]

These revisions are for the Joshua Waddington page. I read through it and saw a few things that can be fixed. I plan to rewrite some sections as well as change around sentences. Longtallsid (talk) 04:46, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Longtallsid, Are you referring to comments at Talk:Joshua Waddington?

It's a big block of comments and I'm not sure what you're looking to do. Aren't these in the article already?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:33, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Luisa Gavasa[edit]

her page, just a stub actually, claims 50 movies.... but iMBD says only three, the rest of her credits are TV shows and all appear to be in Spanish. shouldn't the article receive Speedy Deletion on the ENGLISH Wikipedia? --Qazwiz (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Qazwiz, There's a Spanish article about her[1] and there are more sources than IMDB, particularly in Spanish, so it's not a great candidate for deletion. It seems to be a better candidate for expansion.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Help with article Draft:Stephen_Maitland-Lewis[edit]

Is there anyone who'd be willing to take a stab at rewriting the article for 'Stephen_Maitland-Lewis? While I've been on Wikipedia for awhile, I haven't yet tackled writing a full Wikipedia entry. Supcomtabz (talk) 17:09, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Tabz

I see that there is Draft:Stephen Maitland-Lewis, but I also see that an article has been created and deleted many times.

19:09, March 15, 2016 Malcolmxl5 (talk | contribs) deleted page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Maitland-Lewis (3rd nomination) closed as delete)
14:17, March 7, 2016 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) restored page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (135 revisions restored: reopening AfD)
21:45, February 29, 2016 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) deleted page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Maitland-Lewis (3rd nomination) closed as delete)
17:38, June 8, 2014 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) deleted page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Maitland-Lewis (2nd nomination))
19:41, May 28, 2014 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) restored page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (77 revisions restored: restore my improper AfD close)
19:09, May 28, 2014 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) deleted page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Maitland-Lewis (2nd nomination))
13:24, October 15, 2009 DragonflySixtyseven (talk | contribs) deleted page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (Simply being published by XLibris is not an assertion of notability. Neither are the other statements about Mr Maitland-Lewis.)
05:45, April 18, 2007 Majorly (talk | contribs) deleted page Stephen Maitland-Lewis (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Maitland-Lewis)

Why do you think that the article might be viable now?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Pinging @Pokerdealer123, SwisterTwister, Primefac, Supcomtabz, and Supcomtabz:–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate the ping, since I work with these subjects after all. First of all, Supcomtabz The current page as is would not be enough to outweigh the past deletion, even if it's different than the last time; because what's currently in the article is not showing he's actually considered a significant figure; the awards are too trivial here and there's simply not nearly enough reviews. I'd of course be happy to work on this with whatever material can be offered differently but there's not enough to accept. SwisterTwister talk 21:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
I declined the draft, and it hasn't changed since then, so my comments regarding its suitability are still valid (i.e. AFD concerns haven't been met). Primefac (talk) 04:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Noah brothers[edit]

There is an article entitled Noah brothers about Dan and Bramwell Noah, which contends that the duo are often credited as "Noah brothers" or "Noah Bros", but I am not seeing that is true based upon this search.

There is little in IMDB for them, such as this for Bramwell or Dan, where there is more info. In neither case is there mention of Noah Brothers.

What are your thoughts about this?–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:35, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, I worked on the article and renamed it with the brother's names. Optionally, it could be named "Noah's Art Movies".–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:49, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

A-Class review for Germanicus needs attention[edit]

A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Germanicus; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! AustralianRupert (talk) 07:54, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Elijah Daniel for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Elijah Daniel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elijah Daniel (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Sagecandor (talk) 04:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Atobe Katsusuke[edit]

The article Atobe Katsusuke has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

unreferenced

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BSOleader There were links from a few other articles, so I added two citations.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Reginald Harrison[edit]

Wondering if this is Reginald Harrison. Lotje (talk) 13:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

[Following text copied here from the photo caption to reduce confusion]
Wondering if this is Reginald Harrison. Lotje (talk) 13:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

The caption in the book says it is. Do you have some reason to think it's not? Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:54, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Kendall-K1, It seems very possible. Can you connect any of the information on page 24 with the Dr. Harrison in the article?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I suggest you discuss this on the article talk page. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:59, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Kendall-K1, I answered your question the best I could. I don't see what there is to discuss. If you think that there is something that needs to be discussed, may I recommend that you add it to the article talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:53, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Not unless Lotje (talk · contribs) wants to share with us why he thinks that might not be Harrison. And even then, the discussion does not belong here. (I just realized you might not know that I was replying to that editor, who asked his question in the photo caption instead of in the customary place.) Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

A-Class review for Junayd of Aydın needs attention[edit]

A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Junayd of Aydın; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! AustralianRupert (talk) 11:26, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Billy Davis (Arizona politician)[edit]

Can I get some eyes on Billy Davis (Arizona politician) please. It's basically a fluff piece written by a user whom I suspect is the article's subject. The vast majority of the article is complete personal scrapbooking and fluffery but I know nothing about the article subject to do much more. I've removed a lot (and I mean a lot) but there is a lot more work to do to make this article worthy of staying on Wikipedia. The subject is notable, minorly, so I've not tried to go through a deletion process but any attempts I've made to get more eyes on it have failed (e.g. politics and Arizona noticeboards.) So if anyone has any time and wants to get a huge pair of scissors to an article, this is your time. Cheers. Canterbury Tail talk 13:15, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Canterbury Tail, I used a huge pair of scissors to the article, and boy did it need it! I summarized the edits here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:05, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. And you weren't kidding, those weren't scissors that was a flame thrower. Canterbury Tail talk 21:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Canterbury Tail, I am truly sorry to say that it's much worse now. I came back to find reliable sources and I am only finding sources for bad information about him. There's a posting about sources on the talk page if you have any suggestions, input, etc.–CaroleHenson (talk) 07:25, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

CaroleHenson Oh no that wasn't a criticism at all, it was just a comment on how much content was removed in the end. I'm happy with the look of the article now compared to previously. I should have put a smiley in earlier. The article was a complete mess. BLPs are not my area of exterptise and it was a random article I came across on a general search for articles to improve. I hugely appreciate the time you've put into this. Canterbury Tail talk 11:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Canterbury Tail, I didn't misunderstand, although I can see it sounds that way. I just meant that there was a lot more cut now.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Merge with Emily Dickinson or separate section / article about her sexuality?[edit]

There is a merge discussion at Talk:Emily_Dickinson#Proposed_merge_with_Kate_Scott_Turner about merging an article about someone that it seems that Dickinson loved with the main article. In my response, I have also posed the question about further exploring Dickinson's sexuality, which could be done within the main article or perhaps a separate article.

Any input would be wonderful!–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:59, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Red links in infoboxes[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#RfC: Red links in infoboxes. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Muse[edit]

Hi, quick question, do you think we could create a new category for 'Muse' for those notable individuals who have inspired others to create. It currently doesn't seem to exist on WP so wondered if it had been discussed before and maybe rejected as problematic or if there are cases where we could and should use it. e.g. Stella Cartwright and others listed in this article for instance. @Victuallers: Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stinglehammer (talk • contribs) 13:33, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

My first thought is that it doesn't seem like a defining characteristic. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

FYI there is a Commons category:Muses, don't know if that may be helpful to inspire.

Lotje (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks all @NinjaRobotPirate, Lotje, Kudpung, and Melissa Highton:. I've now discussed this with a few folk and, on balance, think there is a case for creating the new category as this can be a reasonably defining characteristic in some very notable instances. By way of example, I have added a few Wiki biographies to the category to illustrate (although a lot more could and should be added) as well as adding a definition to the new category to disambiguate it from the Greek goddesses. Let me know if you see any issues. Cheers, Stinglehammer (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Petru Maior[edit]

The English language article says he was born in 1761, different dates of birth depending on the languages (!) The text indicates 1761. Anybody here who knows the exact date so it can be corrected everywhere? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Leonard Charles van Noppen of Charles Leonard Van Noppen[edit]

Anybody here who knows if Leonard Van Noppen and Leonard Charles van Noppen are related and in which way? See also: s:Author talk:Leonard Van Noppen Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 10:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Made an edit to change the piped "Category" to "Leonard Charles van Noppen".–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Simone Manuel[edit]

Hello! There is currently a dispute at Simone Manuel, an article under this WikiProject's scope, regarding the statement that Manuel is the first black woman to win a swimming gold in an individual event and whether or not Ranomi Kromowidjojo's racial background renders this statement incorrect for Manuel. Other editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Simone Manuel#Simone Manuel, the first black woman to win a gold medal? ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 22:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

"Bibliography/Works" section[edit]

Hello. User:DrFleischman has removed the bibliography section from Antonio Spadaro's article. I have asked them to restore it but they suggest it should be redacted because of WP:NOTBIBLIOGRAPHY. I disagree. It seems absolutely standard to add a "Works" section with a list of the books authored by the subject of an article; however, I could be wrong. What does WikiProject Biography think please? Should the content be restored? Otherwise, is there a strict rule against adding "works" sections in biographical articles please? Hopefully we can reach consensus and come to an understanding once and for all, as they have admitted to redacting such information from other articles in the past. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

This isn't the best place for this discussion. I suggest that interested editors weigh in at Talk:Antonio Spadaro. A more general discussion probably belongs at WT:NOT (where it has come up before, I believe most recently perhaps a month ago). --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

This WikiProject should have guidelines. I have created many biographical articles and I always add a "Works" section when I can. So frankly I am extremely surprised by your reaction. But I believe you are doing this in good faith--we both are. Now, I believe this is the right place to ask because it goes beyond Spadaro's article--you have been doing this to many articles apparently.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:37, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Fine, obviously other editors are free to decide where they want to weigh in. Please note that I am not watching this page. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Peter Tomich[edit]

Hi, anybody here who might have more information on this file and person? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 08:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Lotje, I don't know who the Pete Tomich is in the draft registration card during WWI. It doesn't appear that he served (he was married with 2 children). He may be the Pete Tomich working in a Wire Mill in PA in 1930, who immigrated in 1902, but that's all that I could find. In that case, he listed his country of origin as Yugoslavia, formed from Austria one year after he completed the draft registration card in 1917. I wondered if "Pete" might be a nickname, but couldn't find anyone that matched his date of birth with the last name Tomich either.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2017 (UTC)