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Specimens of Archaeopteryx reassessment[edit]

I've devoted a great deal of time working to flesh out the Specimens of Archaeopteryx article, which was last assessed at C-class quite a long time ago. Requesting a quality reassessment at this stage. (Cross-posting this request to its other Wikiprojects, just fyi.) Thanks! -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 03:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

If you write a lead it is possibly worth a tilt at GAN. I suspect someone would review it pretty quickly. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:25, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, seems quite comprehensive. I'm wondering why Maxberg specimen needs to be a seperate article, though, if it isn't even linked in the article. I think it should be merged. FunkMonk (talk) 12:20, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, will do re: GAN when I have a bit more time--in the middle of a move currently. Redirected the Maxberg specimen article, btw. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 03:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


Anyone familiar with Asian birds know whether the slender-billed cuckoo-dove on the Macropygia page is an Amboyna cuckoo-dove or a Sultan's cuckoo-dove since they are both found on New Guinea and the species has been split by the IOC and Clements?....Pvmoutside (talk) 17:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Caribbean Coot[edit]

In the latest revision of the American Ornithologists Union (AOU) checklist, the Caribbean coot has been eliminated as a species. It is not even considered a subspecies, rather a white frontal shield morph of the American Coot. The IOC and Clements have followed suit. My preference is to make Caribbean Coot a redirect of American Coot since there are many cases of the white frontal shield morph occurring outside of the Caribbean Coot's normal range......thoughts?....Pvmoutside (talk) 10:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

List of parrots[edit]

I'm remodeling the List of parrots article at my sandbox. There's around 400 species so help will be appreciated. Thanks   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  17:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Hmm... Your new list doesn't allow easy table sorting any more, as there are now lots of bitty smaller tables rather than one big one. What's the advantage of breaking them up? MeegsC (talk) 22:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The names are lined up, just not the images are ranges (which shouldn't be much of a problem for locating a certain species, which was already hard enough). Anyways, after two days, it's complete and up.   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  05:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
@Dunkleosteus77:, in the old version, I could sort the entire table in various ways by clicking the top of any column. I could sort by name, by IUCN code, by whatever. I can't do that anymore. In fact, I can't sort by anything! That doesn't seem to be an improvement to me. I'm not discounting your work — you've added a lot of good information. But I don't understand why you've broken each genus into a separate table. Can you please explain why that's better? MeegsC (talk) 11:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@MeegsC: Actually that was just easier on me when creating this list. I looked up every genus on the IUCN Red List to make sure I didn't leave any species out (which the previous list did). I can rearrange the current list to be sortable by alphabetical order, but if this is the case then I need to go back and but in their full binomial name instead of the abbreviated one; also I'm not entirely sure how range and pictures would be sorted.   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@Dunkleosteus77: Ha! I can certainly understand ease of editing! But yes, I'd recommend you move them back into a single table, and just not include a sort button for the picture column. Range is tough; it would be nice to be able to sort by continent (for example), but I suppose that isn't easily do-able. I guess that would have to be an unsorted column as well. MeegsC (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@MeegsC: Should I just leave out the genus authority and scrap the subsections? Also, how would I go about sorting by continent, because most parrots are in Australasia which spans two continents, and South America/Central America/Caribbean which also spans two continents. Should it be sorted New World/Old World (and even then, how would I do that?) Alternatively, I could just sort within the genus (example below) which would be pretty good (of course the background colour can be changed or done away with)   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Genus Psittacus (gray parrots) Brisson, 1760 – two species
Common name Scientific name IUCN Red List Status Range Picture
African gray parrot
P. erithacus
Linnaeus, 1758
Congo Grey Parrot range.jpg
Psittacus erithacus -perching on tray-8d.jpg
Timneh parrot
P. timneh
Fraser, 1844
Psittacus erithacus timneh-parrot on cage.jpg
@Dunkleosteus77: Like I said, I wouldn't worry at the moment about sorting by range or picture, at least for the moment. Maybe we can figure something out in the future. With the range maps, is there any way to standardize them a bit more? In your example above, one shows the species range in Africa (appropriately) while the other shows the tiny range (all in Africa) in the whole world. Not directly comparable, really, even though both are found only in Africa! As far as sorting within genus, how do I look for all "vulnerable" parrots — short of sorting every single table, which would take forever?MeegsC (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@MeegsC: I don't think there is any way to standardize the range maps, I just used the ones available (but you're welcome to try). As for searching, there are 350 species of parrots, so counting the number of Vulnerable parrots is not going to be easy anyways. I think I should just add the statistics to the IUCN Red List categories table or to the lead. Also, should I just scrap the genus authority and subsections?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:48, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@Dunkleosteus77: Well, whatever else you do, I'd at least make all the tables the same widths. Right now, the column widths are all over the place. If you're not going to combine the tiny tables into one big one, at least make it easy for people to read down through them all. MeegsC (talk) 21:03, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Laughing Owl[edit]

A new study suggests that the Laughing Owl should be better placed in the genus Ninox instead in its own genus Sceloglaux. --Melly42 (talk) 11:21, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

List of Aratinga parakeets merge proposal[edit]

I've proposed merging the above article into Aratinga. The number of Aratinga species are substantially lower after genera splits. See Aratinga talk page for discussion and adding your comments.....Pvmoutside (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)