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Article alerts

For some reason we both have an article alert section[1] way down which automatically lists articles that are up for promotion, yet we also have a manually updated "under consideration for upgrading" section, which takes some effort to maintain. Wouldn't it be best to leave this for the automatic procedure (which is much more reliable and complete), and move that up/consolidating the two? FunkMonk (talk) 07:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, sounds good. Move up the auto one and nuke the manual one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Moved up. I think it looks pretty good, and it will save continuous work... FunkMonk (talk) 14:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

• On this note, where did the "hot articles"[2] go? Seems you started the page, Casliber? FunkMonk (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Category:The Avicultural Magazine, 1913

Hi, anybody here who can confirm this is a "Chestnut-Bellied blue rock thrush? If yes, I would add it to the category. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Chestnut-bellied rock thrush Shyamal (talk) 14:11, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

(ec) That's a mix-up name, apparently; it seems to be a chestnut-bellied rock thrush. --14:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Shyamal, that means I can add it to the Category:Monticola rufiventris ? Lotje (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes! Shyamal (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done Lotje (talk) 10:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Egretta species

I'm getting lost regarding the status of various Egretta species - Egretta garzetta, Egretta gularis, and Egretta dimorpha - and apparently so are some other people. These three species seem to have been shuffled around recently in ways that aren't entirely clear. There's a summary by IUCN: Egretta gularis (del Hoyo and Collar 2014) contains the taxon dimorpha, which was previously included within E. garzetta following Kushlan and Hancock (2005). Prior to that, all three taxa were treated as separate species following Sibley and Monroe (1990, 1993). - which honestly doesn't clear things up much. I don't have access to a recent del Hoyo.

Was E. dimorpha subsumed by E. gularis? How does that fit with the statement in Egretta garzetta about lumping garzetta and dimorpha? (apart from this latest series of edits that plain renames it to E. garzetta and presumably should be reverted directly...) ITIS still has dimorpha as a vaild species [3].

Anyone got the overview here? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I suspect that we will need to wait for a phylogenetic study with large scale sampling which takes into effect the possibility of some hybridization. In addition the variable plumages mean that some species are better recognized in the dark phase alone making distribution notes incomplete and possibly affect sampling for studies as well. It certainly is murky at the moment - Christidis and Boles cite a study - "McCracken and Sheldon (2002) found no difference between nominate garzetta and schistaceus using cytochrome-b sequence data" - that is pretty improbable! Shyamal (talk) 09:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

We follow the IOC here which lists each as separate species:

• Little egret (Egretta garzetta)
• Western reef heron (Egretta gularis)
• Dimorphic egret (Egretta dimorpha)

The wikipedia article for the dimorphic egret was under Egretta garzetta dimorpha which I've now changed to Egretta dimorpha.

• The dimorphic egret is considered as a subspecies of the little egret by both Clements and Howard & Moore 4 and as a subspecies of the western reef egret by HBW alive.
• Note that the IUCN follow HBW alive and eBird follows Clements. - Aa77zz (talk) 09:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that seems clear enough for the time being (at least the classification attributions are clear). Dimorphic egret certainly needs some love, will spruce it up later today. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Psittacine

I noticed that psittacine redirects to parrot, but psittacines redirects to Psittacinae. They should probably both point to the same page, but I'm not sure which is more appropriate. Any suggestions? Deli nk (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Maybe it should even have its own article. FunkMonk (talk) 13:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, reading this again. I just saw this was not about the pigment psittacin, but about the clade. I changed the redirect to Psittacinae accordingly. FunkMonk (talk) 10:12, 29 September 2017 (UTC)