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Wigwag (railroad) FAR

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Proposal for the creation of a WikiProject Award for this project

Please see WikiProject California Award for a proposed WP:CAL project award. It would be awarded to persons who have made significant contributions to this project. If successful, I will need help creating its template. Ronbo76 16:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Here is the second proposed design. The outline of the state is meant to show through just as the state flag does. The barnstar is an enlargement of the star in our flag and sits approximately over the state capital
  • Third design is an homage to the original barnstar with the bear seeking the North Star.
As the sign image is up for deletion, it would have to change. But having a barnstar for the project may indeed be a good idea. —ScouterSig 16:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Great idea. However the sign just looks blurry. Maybe it souold be repaced with some text, like "California Barnstar". -Will Beback · · 19:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Text will accompany it. This is just the initial image which can be still tweaked. If you are in favor, you should visit the link in my initial message and vote. Please see other proposals to indicate you should signify support/non-support. Ronbo76 19:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is another design. The outline of the state is meant to show through just as the state flag does. The barnstar is an enlargement of the star in our flag and sits approximately over the state capital. Ronbo76 20:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • You need to get the nomenclature right. If this is a WP Award, it's not a barnstar, the requirements are different. Also, the image needs to be more in the shape of a star. --evrik (talk) 21:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Prior to this comment, user:evrik reverted changes I made to reflect that this barnstar is intended to California related articles. Stars come in all shapes and sizes on Wikimedia Commons storage page. The second proposed image has a barnstar center and takes the shape of the star in the California flag. I have asked user:evrik to help me but he seems to very opposed to any suggestion. By no means is this a final image. But, its intent is to be awarded as a barnstar to California related articles. I am a newbie to this page.
My intent is genuine. I just need help to get the wording correct to reflect it is a barnstar award. If someone could help rewrite the proposal, I would appreciate it. Ronbo76 22:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • No single state has a barnstar. Make it a WP Award, make it star shaped and READ what people are saying. I am a member of WP:CAL, but I'm not going to change the standard because of that. --evrik (talk) 22:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
My suggestion ... take

--evrik (talk) 03:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I like the third design best, but really think the vear should be over the star in the center. --evrik (talk) 04:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

A final vote is being held on the WPA - you can see it and vote on it here. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Half Moon Bay

I just noticed today that, though we have an article on Half Moon Bay, California, we have no article on the bay itself. I was thinking of creating one, but what name should it have? Half Moon Bay is a disambiguation page. --N Shar 18:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I would go with its actual name ala San Francisco Bay. Ronbo76 16:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • So, just overwrite the disambiguation page? Or should I put it at Half Moon Bay (bay) or something silly like that? --N Shar 18:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
In essence, if it is properly called Half Moon Bay, which I believe it is, I would suggest renaming the disambiguation page to Half Moon Bay (disambiguation) as it is the true diambiguation. It seems silly to call the HMB, HMB (bay) IMHO. On the new article, you would create the link to the new disambiguation named page. Ronbo76 18:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Done! --N Shar 23:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at the "What links here" for Half Moon Bay. My guess is that most of those will be links for the city of Half Moon Bay, so having the article for the bay there is not the best thing to do. BlankVerse 00:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked that prior to my post. The first 49 all linked to the city. There was one off. The disambiguation should take of the rest. Ronbo76 00:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Based on your info, the Half Moon Bay should be a redirect to Half Moon Bay, California, and NOT be the article on the bay itself. BlankVerse 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Check the "What links here" now: there are four articles. All the rest have been changed to link to Half Moon Bay, California. Saying that based on this information, the page should be a redirect is misleading, because there are tons of pages that should link to this one, but don't because there was no page here until today. --N Shar 02:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

You have things backwards.

The basic idea behind article titles on the Wikipedia is to facilitate 'accidental linkage'. One big problem, however, is what to do when there are multiple articles that could use the same title. For some titles, it's pretty obvious which article should go with the title (see George Washington vs. George Washington (disambiguation)), and for other titles, it pretty obvious that the article should be a Disambiguation page (e.g. Orange County). For still other pages, there can be some heavy discussions over what is the most appropriate article to go with the title (e.g. William of Orange, with more examples at WP:LAME#Names).

Even though you went through and changed the wikilinks, that doesn't change the underlying fact that for the title Half Moon Bay, numerous editors have already essentially expressed their opinion that Half Moon Bay should go to the city of Half Moon Bay, California. This also suggest that almost anyone else who adds [[Half Moon Bay]] to an article will also be expecting the wikilink to go to the city.

There is a perfectly good title for the bay at Half Moon Bay (California), since it is the only geographic feature in California named Half Moon Bay (see [1] for the other ten geographic place names around the world named Half Moon Bay). I've now moved the article on the bay to Half Moon Bay (California), and returned Half Moon Bay to being a redirect to Half Moon Bay, California. BlankVerse 09:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I had partially cleaned up the Half Moon Bay (disambiguation) page after first seeing this discussion, since some of the links that were supposedly to articles about settlements were actually to geographical features and/or the opposite; I also added a few more HMBs. Although I didn't change the redirect at the time, I agree with BlankVerse. It would be disirable to have a convention for naming geographical features that was different than for naming settlements, so the disambiguation would be obvious. If Foo Bar, California always meant a city, town or other settlement, while Foo Bar (California) always meant a geographical feature, it seems to me that things would be clearer. I suppose that a unique place name/feature name pair could be simplified, as Bodega Bay and Bodega Bay, California are, but even then there might be a discussion about which one got the short title in areas where the Cityname, Statename convention is not in force.--Hjal 06:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

SVG version of WikiProject award available

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I just created Image:WPCF.svg as an SVG alternative to Image:WPCF.png. It is pretty much the same as the PNG version, but the star is the same color and proportions as the star on Image:Flag of California.svg and the bear is a little larger. It also has a transparent background instead of white and the image is not exactly square. Feel free to modify the size or placement of the bear if you don't like it; you might also want to put a white background or square the image canvas. Modifications can be done using Inkscape or another SVG-capable image editor. Mike Dillon 16:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That would work for me. Now, we just need the template. Hint, hint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronbo76 (talkcontribs)
OK. Here ya go: {{The California Star}}. Mike Dillon 18:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I ended up squaring the canvas, adding a white background, and defaulting the size to 100 pixels (although it will scale to any size with high quality). Mike Dillon 16:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Los Angeles move discussion

There is a discussion at the Los Angeles, California talk page to move the article to "Los Angeles." --Oakshade 23:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Entry on Gabriel Moraga [2]

Says that Moraga was responsible for naming many cities, among them Modesto. However, evidence suggests that Modesto was named after William Ralston in 1870, after he refused to have the town named after himself ("es muy modesto"). Moraga explored California in the 1810s, hence it seems unlikely that he named Modesto, at least its present name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deccantrap (talkcontribs) 17:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Featured Article Candidate

The Article "Sonoma County, California" has been submitted as a featured article candidate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sue Rangell (talkcontribs) 01:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

From the author of the Green Valley Lake Page

Well, I'm sorry it's so bad. I wrote it, and I'm only 13. If you can write a better one, fine. Do so. But I bet you don't have a vacation home or live there, not do you? I'm going up there next week, I'll see if I can fix it after I get some more information on the town up there. And I know that it's not so formal, but if you need to know about green valley lake, I think it will help you a bit. I will try to improve it the best I can. I only have a "B-" in 8th grade english, so cut me some slack. It should also be bumped up to mid-importance, I mean it is The highest town on the mountain range. It should also be under "start". It is in some kind of form, although it does need much improvement. Note: this is the same text I put on the Green Valley Lake Talk page.

Dont be discouraged. See my notes on the article's talk page. Best Regards. Anlace 03:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

NRHP Frank Lloyd Wright collaboration

Crystal 128 kuser.png Check out the new WikiProject National Register of Historic Places Frank Lloyd Wright Collaboration. An effort to expand Wikipedia's coverage of Registered Historic Places designed by this most important architect.

To join the collaboration or help out you can visit the collaboration subpage or the collaboration talk page.


Definitely encouraging cross project participation here, as a number of prominent Wright designed buildings are located in California. IvoShandor 12:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Threatened articles

--evrik (talk)

Photo request for Main Page soon

Can someone take a picture of the Hanna-Barbera Building at 3400 Cahuenga Boulevard in LA (see [3] [4] [5])? It would make a great free image for Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 12, 2007. Thanks guys.--Pharos 22:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

This is no longer high priority as April 12 has passed. Still looks like an interesting building, though. Thanks.--Pharos 21:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

New articles

Dear Wikipedians, a list of possible California-related articles found by bot is available at User:AlexNewArtBot/CaliforniaSearchResult. Colchicum 14:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


Anyone have any objection to converting the WikiProject banner for use in {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}? If there are none within a week, I'll put in a request to have the WP:CAL banner converted. howcheng {chat} 16:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review

University High School (Los Angeles, California) (Peer Review)

There is a peer review open for University High and comments would be appreciated from this project. I've made an assessment request as well, but it would be great if we could get comments from all of the wikiprojects that this article is a part of. Miss Mondegreen | Talk   00:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

peer review now closed, we recieved no input from this project but we would welcome it! Miss Mondegreen talk  23:13, May 14 2007