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Linter tool out on small wikis[edit]

Quick note: mw:Extension:Linter (which helps editors find wikitext errors) is available on some small wikis. Have a look at mw:Special:LintErrors to see what it does. (I don't know what all of the categories are, but I see that lots of translations of mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide appear in a couple of the lists.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:14, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I believe that this will be going out to medium-size wikis in the next week. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Special:LintErrors has reached the bigger wikis. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Where are the pages that tell how to fix them? Can those pages be linked from these faux category pages? When I go to Special:LintErrors/pwrap-bug-workaround, for example, the description of the problem is ... lacking, and there is no explanation of how to fix whatever the problem is. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi there, Jonesey95. Yes, there are pages that aim to collect instructions. We would like to see how effective/understandable they are before linking them everywhere. Would you please review the 3 linked at mw:Help:Extension:Linter#High-priority_lint_issues to see if they make sense or how they might be improved? These are the ones we'll soon ask the community to focus on. Once they are ready, I would like to transclude them in Parsing/Replacing_Tidy/FAQ#Action_item. Thank you! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Those look like a good start. I looked at the three high-priority pages and expanded the self-closed tag page to make it more helpful.
Questions about how these new pages work: Have you considered applying some kind of sorting to the Special pages? How do I add the list to my watchlist to see when something new appears on one of them? When I am trying to fix a page, how do I use Preview to find out if my edit will fix the problem? I am used to tracking categories, which have straightforward answers to all of those questions. Also, why does Dexter (season 7) show up in the Special page for self-closed tags but not in the self-closed tag category? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Will respond two two of your questions which I can answer right away. (1) Reg using Preview, you need the ParserMigration tool enabled in your preferences. One thing we could do is perhaps to add an edit link with the parser-migration preview. But, till such time, you can replace action=edit with action=parsermigration-edit. (2) As for Dexter (season 7), there is broken markup in that section that trips up Parsoid causing it to flag the page for a self-closed tag linter output. See Dexter (season 7)#External_links for the broken output. That particular transclusion that linter identifies generates ''Dexter''<span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0<wbr/>.1em;">&<wbr/>#39;<<wbr/>/span>s and Parsoid gets confused by that jumble and thinks that there is a span self-closing tag. This is an edge case. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 14:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the changes, Jonesey95. Let me tell you what I'm thinking: there will be several pages to fix in the next months. I don't know that people with a certain expertise like you can get all of that done. My goal is involving less tech-minded people like me as well - I do not need or care much about the details: I just want to know what I have to do to help. "Change X with Z", "Delete Y", is an example of straightforward instructions I can follow. Right now, such instructions look a bit buried in a sea of details. I would like them to be way more evident - and standardised. Currently, it is obvious that the 2 explanation pages can't be transcluded in the FAQ section - it'd be a mess. Maybe the FAQ page only needs a TL;DR for each of those. Appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I love simple "if this, then do that" instructions when they are possible. I found that when working on the self-closed tag category, simple instructions applied most of the time, but there were enough tricky ones that simple instructions were not possible. For example, sometimes <div /> should be changed to <div></div>, and other times it is a typo for </div>. Another tricky case is <b />, which should be replaced with <nowiki />, <br />, or </b>, depending on the context.
My experience with categories like this on en.WP is that you end up with a group of four or five gnomes who fix all of the errors. Those gnomes learn the tricky bits through experience. If you're lucky, some of the fixes have no edge cases and can be fixed by a bot, leaving the rest for the gnomes to fix in context. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, but then, this kind of explanation needs to be offered, and if a person figures they aren't able to determine what the correct case is, then they move on to the next (hopefully easier) category? (My experience matches yours. We've also had amazing people who single-handedly went out to fix on other wikis; but it is not enough, and it doesn't scale. Hence why I'm encouraging the team to try and make things easier for a wider audience.) Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Jonesey95, that amazing person that Subbu is added simplified instructions at mw:Parsing/Replacing_Tidy/FAQ#What_will_editors_need_to_do.3F. Let us know what you think of those. I think we're aiming at a first round of communications this week. TYVM! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I looked through them once, and I assume that some people will understand them. I didn't understand the reference to "Please see the detailed help page for this category." I thought that pages were being listed on a Special page, not on a category page, and there is no link to any detailed help page. I guess I am just still confused about some of the questions I listed above. Don't stop your deployment on my account. I am available to help, and I am sure that you will find others who are as well. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:25, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
I believe that "the detailed help page for this category" is mw:Help:Extension:Linter/self-closed-tag, and "this category" refers to a group or type of errors, rather than a page in the Category: namespace. Elitre, if that sounds right to you, then perhaps we could change the wording to avoid confusion with the namespace? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely, I don't own that page, go ahead with any changes that make sense - but also let SSastry (WMF) what outstanding doubts are there! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

For information, I've recently modified WPCleaner to integrate it with Linter. Currently, the following is available:

  • Access to list of pages detected for a given Linter category is provided from the main window (Linter categories button)
  • Access to the analysis by Linter of the page currently being edited, including the unsaved modifications (Linter button in the toolbar in the Full Analysis window and Check Wiki window)

Still some work to do for it to be easier for users. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

NicoV, I want you to know that if you think this tool may help, you are welcome to add related info in the simplified instructions section. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Elitre (WMF), I will try to do it when I've done some improvements on WPCleaner. I'm currently adding code for dealing with the missing-end-tag reported by Linter: my development version currently detects problems with <center> tags, and suggests a fix when it's inside a gallery tag or an image description ; I have to make it automatic for some situations, add suggestions in other situations, and do the same for other tags. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Good! I guess you have an idea of how many communities are actually using it? Do you have a way to communicate with them all at once? Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Elitre (WMF) Apart from the list of wikis for which WPC is configured, I don't know which one has active users or not. No channel to communicate with them Face-sad.svg --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 14:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
@NicoV: You can use the "information box" at the bottom of WPCleaner to communicate to a large audience that uses your tool. Add some "eye-cathing color" to the text, and people will read it when logging in to the tool. (tJosve05a (c) 14:36, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Interesting, Josve05a. We have made a tentative space for a taskforce, but haven't promoted that much... Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:45, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok Josve05a. A suggestion for the message and what links should be in it? --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 06:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
m:Tech/News/2017/28 has a short announcement about Tidy, for example. Calling attention to the taskforce I linked above would also be cool :) Elitre (WMF) (talk) 06:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Josve05a, Elitre (WMF). I have just released a version of WPCleaner with a message advertising the Linter extension. Suggestions are welcome. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 17:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Elitre (WMF) I've started adding a Tools section for self-closed-tag with a small description of what WPCleaner can do to help fixing this error. Everyone: Feel free to fix my English, improve the section... --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 05:56, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint? Perhaps it should be on the list of helpful tools. (See also mw:Topic:Tvyz5k6ki39kba6t, which lists another.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Looking to the future[edit]

Is everyone in [the above] discussion aware of mw:Parsing/Replacing Tidy? This upcoming work may affect what's "cosmetic". For example, I'm not certain that #65 will continue to have no visible effect. I've not seen any specific plan to change that behavior, but this may be one of the small things that Tidy did, and which therefore will be "broken" when Tidy is removed. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

If the folks working at WMF haven't been able to give us a definitive list of what will break when Tidy is replaced, we have to make decisions with the information that we have. Actual definitive information from WMF, if it exists in written form, will be helpful. Please post here when you have it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
A change is cosmetic unless one of the following is correct:
  1. You have personally seen/heard a difference.
  2. You have seen statements on-wiki from users who claim that they have personally seen/heard a difference, and either there have been no claims otherwise in that environment or such claims appear to be false.
  3. The Foundation's technical team have released a statement that it will cease to be cosmetic.
עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Jonesey95, I'll cheerfully give you a complete list of changes, shortly after you give me a time machine, so I can go into the future and find out what decisions will be taken in the coming months. Face-wink.svg
More seriously, the information is being provided as it becomes available. They are understandably a little nervous about asking you all to fix thousands of pages and then deciding the opposite later, so please bear with them during these months of uncertainty. They'd rather get it right the first time. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Looking forward to it. Let us know when you folks get it figured out. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Here's a list of things that are guaranteed to need fixing: mw:Help:Extension:Linter. All of these errors appear in the lists for Special:LintErrors (which is not yet enabled for enwiki, but it is at most wikis), so you can get a clear list of pages that have problems. Each item has some decent documentation (as in, I was able to figure out how to fix a few pages myself, so it can't be that complicated. ;-)

There are a few things that I'm not sure how to fix, such as m:Template:Nospam. A few things get listed as "stripped" when they're actually "misnested". But overall I think this is a great place to start, and the problems it identifies can be fixed everywhere, even if you temporarily have to use other tools to identify pages with obsolete HTML (for example) at the larger wikis. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 06:22, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that link. The explanation on that page says that not all of the errors will need to be fixed right away, but that some of them should really be fixed ASAP. I'm looking forward to seeing those lists come to en.WP.
I'm guessing that T157670 will continue to be a blocker for Tidy migration, so I hope that gets resolved sometime soon. It will help with many other maintenance-related queues as well. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:08, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
For information, WPC is now integrated with Linter at a basic level (able to retrieve the list of pages for a given category). --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 10:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that T157670 is being treated as a blocker for this, or any other, project. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Maybe I misunderstand that phab task, then. Until it is resolved, switching from Tidy to another system will entail deliberate breaking of pages that would have been fixed by editors if the errors had been reporting in tracking categories. Because the tracking categories are not up to date, nobody knows which pages still need fixes. Perhaps the new Linter error pages will somehow list every page that needs to be fixed, even if some pages have not been refreshed for years? – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Tracking categories are not the only way to find the affected pages. Perhaps there is no perfect solution that finds everything on the first try, but there appear to be alternatives (e.g., searching database dumps, using the linter tools, using Special:Search), and those alternatives appear to find at least most of the affected pages.
To be candid, I'm more worried about the lack of activity among this group. Having tools that identify problems is useless if there aren't enough people left to use them. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
There has been a lot of pushback against editors making these "cosmetic" cleanup edits, since with Tidy in place, many of the edits do not change the appearance of the rendered page. The resistance has gotten so bad that some previously productive editors have moved on to other tasks that are less controversial, or have taken a break from gnome editing altogether.
And with the phab page-refresh bug (which doesn't seem that hard to fix, in my view) stalled, we don't have a comprehensive list of pages to edit that would justify the hassle of a BRFA and an ongoing bot task. It sure would be helpful to get that page-refresh bug fixed, but if WMF is unwilling to do that, turning off Tidy and breaking a bunch of pages would get the attention of the folks who have driven many of the gnomes underground. Those edits wouldn't be cosmetic anymore, and a lot of them would get fixed quickly, at the expense of displaying many broken pages to readers for a while. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

This project may close soon[edit]

This page has stopped being updated. It may shut down soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:08, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:03, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Monthly dumps did not update for two months and there is no plan for them to be updated in the future. E.g. Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/001 dump. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Seems like contacting Bgwhite (talk · contribs), or whoever else runs the dump, would be the first step, rather than panicking. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Bgwhite hasn't edited any wiki for over a month. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
What are you talking about? I have new run on new dump 4 days ago. IKhitron (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

IKhitron which files do you use? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:57, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Magioladitis, I do not understand the question. IKhitron (talk) 00:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

IKhitron You wrote that you run a new dump. Where did you post it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I see the problem. I did not run anything. I opened the checkwiki interface, and found a new run, with a lot of errors that wasn't there a week before. IKhitron (talk) 00:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Magioladitis You still have a few lists that are generated by WPC: Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/WPC all. They are based on the dump from 20 March. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 08:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Magioladitis I have the same question ("What are you talking about?"). Ruwiki's web interface got new dump yesterday, and it's basic checkwiki feature, isn't it? There are 4 maintainers for checkwiki tool at WMFlabs tool list, you're in the list, so, even if Bgwhite left the project (I hope he's not), tool isn't dead. Who is going to close project and why? Facenapalm (talk) 10:31, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Facenapalm I can't download and process the dump files (my laptop is rather old and my connection is not in a better shape) and in fact it's also not in my plans neither. You can ofcourse ask the other two persons if they want to keep working with it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

  • Download dump files for what? I thought dumps are scanned directly on WMFlabs, aren't they? If not, who scanned last ruwiki dump yesterday? Even if current maintainers have no plans about project, they can add a new maintainer(s), right? I can't believe that noone can and want to maintain the project. I probably can help with ruwiki dumps, if you'll explain what's needed. Facenapalm (talk) 14:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

As far as I understand, for international team there is no panic. Marios is talking about on-wiki pages, which are generated with WPC, which uses slightly different algorithms for error detecting. Web interface (the "real" CW) isn't going anywhere. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:47, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I am talking about the on-wiki pages generated every month based on the same algorithm with the daily scans. The lists are generated with 3 ways:

  1. Daily scans
  2. Monthly scans
  3. Monthly(?) scans by WPC which are done with a slightly different algorithm.

Item 2 will discontinue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I get a new run twice a month. If it will be once a month from now, I can leave with it. The problem is all changes in the code, including those that Bgwhite already started to write. I have about 5 like these. IKhitron (talk) 12:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

FrescoBot also stopped since March. It's the fourth of fifth bot that was used in the project and stopped. Meanwhile, BAG still has not completed the process of reaffirming Yobot for the 100+ tasks it used to run. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Headbomb After some months passed, you now see it was not just a panic. It was info I had about it. In practise the project is stalled. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't really see what you mean by "The project has stalled", I routinely perform CHECKWIKI cleanup tasks, and listings are certainly updated e.g. [1]. And if for some reason the project did stall, what do you want me to do about it? I have no idea how these listings are generated. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Maybe it's time to send this project for deletion? Certain people in the community worked systemtically against certain parts of this project (people, bots, tasks). There was even an Arbitration case that concluded recently. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: Now why in the world would we want to do that? The project obviously has support from the community. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:08, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Headbomb We have the following situation on bots:

  • Menobot: Last CHECKWIKI edit was more than 1 year ago
  • Xqbot: Last CHECKWIKI edit was more than 1 yyear ago
  • Yobot: It's doing much fewer tasks than 1 year ago
  • BG19bot: Stopped editing in February
  • Josvebot: Last edit was in August

Am I in panic? I don't know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:10, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

You are in panic, yes. Some people may have lost interest in it, but it doesn't mean the project is bad, or is undesired by the community. Certainly feel free to contact the bot ops to resume their bots, or pick up some of the slack with Yobot. If you do, my advice is to focus on high/mid-priority tasks. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi. frwiki has not been updated since 2017-09-16 and I'm afflicted. Is the Check Wikipedia project definitively cancelled or replaced? Except for enwiki, it still seems to run from time to time in other languages... Thank you. Clumsy and stupid (talk) 07:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Span[edit]

Hi. Is there any purpose for <span>some text</span>, without any tag parameters? IKhitron (talk) 11:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I think that's turned up as a VisualEditor/Parsoid bug in the past. I can't imagine any useful purpose for it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 05:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Maybe it's better the CW will recognize it. IKhitron (talk) 12:50, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

BIG Blue Button[edit]

It appears that the next stage of the OOUI-ification of MediaWiki is going to change something about how the "Save" (aka "Publish") button is implemented in the API. There is a possibility that a small number of scripts or bots will break as a result. See phab:T162849 and mw:OOjs UI for more information.

If you think that this will be a problem for your work, then you might want to ask for help at WP:BOTN or WP:VPT.

This has been planned for years, announced in Tech News, etc., which probably means that nobody has paid attention to it. :-) I therefore ask for your help in sharing this information with technically minded editors at other projects. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Quick update:
  • There's actual information, including some examples of scripts that have already been fixed at mw:Contributors/Projects/Accessible editing buttons.
  • This has already happened at fawiki and plwiki, so you can go there to test your scripts, or follow the directions on mw.org to test it on any (WMF) wiki.
  • User:NicoV, this may reach the French Wikipedia (and a few others, but not dewiki or enwiki) next Wednesday, which is 28 June 2017. I'll leave a note at Le Bistro (in English, alas) once the schedule's settled, but I thought I'd give you an early warning. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
This next group has been postponed until Wednesday, 5 July 2017, because Matma Rex found some bugs in the Monobook skin, and because having a little extra time to check their scripts won't hurt anyone. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Update: This is done, everywhere. Commons was the last wiki, about 9 days ago. During the next month, if you see new breakage in scripts, it's more likely to be Krinkle's jQuery 3 update than this OOjs UI change. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:17, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Error #3 on it.wiki[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask for a configuration change. On it.wiki, we introduced a new template (it:Template:Note strette) to handle the Notes section; however, the articles with the template turns out in the report for error #3 (see [2]), since they do not directly contain <references/> nor it:Template:References (which has been deprecated). Would it be possible to add an exception for these articles? Thanks in advance--Dr Zimbu (talk) 17:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

  • @Dr Zimbu: open your configuration page, find error_003_templates_itwiki= line and add a new line with the template name between = and END. If there will be some redirects to this template, you should add all of them. Errors 78 and 111 are also configurable to work with references template. For 111th error, it should be the equal list (don't forget to change 003 number to 111 when you copy it!), but, as I can see, last errors (109-113) are just misrepresented in this page - you can copy them from english configuration page, replace "enwiki" with "itwiki", change priorities if that's needed, delete unneccessary _template_ sections and translate them. error_078_templates_itwiki= should be a valid regular expression, matching all references templates without "group" parameter - I can help you write it if you will tell me how "group" parameter will called in italian wikipedia (if it will - as I can see, there is no such parameter in template for now). You can see the example of regular expression at russian configuration page. Facenapalm (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks @Facenapalm:, I didn't know there was a configuration page (should've probably checked earlier...)--Dr Zimbu (talk) 07:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Replace <ce> -> <chem>[edit]

I'm looking at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155125 which deals about replacing all ce tags with chem tags. The implementation of ce and chem is identical, so nothing will be changed by replacing the name of the tag. What would be the best method to do that replacement? --Physikerwelt (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I did this with AWB regexp. IKhitron (talk) 12:52, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Some problems needing manual fixing[edit]

Hi, I have found ~130 cases of unclosed tags (mostly category and some broken images), see User:Rentier/Cleanup. Putting it out here (is this the right Wikiproject for this?) since I don't have the time to fix them myself. Rentier (talk) 02:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

About 700 articles to clean up[edit]

see this search for {{http:...}} (using misunderstanding of how to add external links). Frietjes (talk) 14:03, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 57. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Tidy replacement[edit]

Previously, on Tidy Replacement... The Parsing team wants to replace Tidy with a RemexHTML-based solution on the Wikimedia cluster by June 2018. This will require editors to fix pages and templates to address wikitext patterns that behave differently with RemexHTML. Please see the "What editors will need to do" section on the Tidy replacement FAQ. This is ongoing, although operations seem to go slowly at this wiki?

I now want to point your attention to the related update that Subbu provided on wikitech-l. Please do ping him (User:SSastry (WMF)) if you have any questions or concerns, ideas about how to get more people involved here or communications venues we haven't explored yet (I will contact technical village pumps later this month, FWIW), etc. Hope this helps! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:59, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey, I've started mw:Help:Extension:Linter#Tools as a place to collect scripts/tools/anything that's helpful. Please boldly add yours. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Add zh-classical.wikipedia[edit]

Hi. May you also check zh-classical.wikipedia? Thank you! --Kanashimi (talk) 03:30, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

@Kanashimi: What exactly do you want checking? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Please check all issues, we will pick up what we need. Thank you. --Kanashimi (talk) 11:22, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

enwiki last update is 2017-08-31[edit]

According to Check Wikipedia enwiki has not been updated since 2017-08-31. Used to be daily updates with new items. --Bamyers99 (talk) 20:20, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

#73 Mistaken on ISBNs from Cyprus[edit]

ISBN 978-9925-0-4481-8 on de:Willem de Haan and ISBN 978-9925-0-7752-6 on de:Gustav Heinrich Gottfried Siebeck from Cyprus are reported as wrong, although they are mathematically and logically correct. -- ThomasO. 17:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

The server is out[edit]

Hi. I can't open the server for about ten minutes. IKhitron (talk) 14:21, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

IKhitron, is it working now? I haven't heard of any big problems today. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Whatamidoing (WMF), it's OK now, thank you. I just informed you there was a problem for ten minutes. IKhitron (talk) 18:49, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

ISSN error[edit]

I checked the check digital myself of the issn 1010-4143, which is correct‎ (unless my calculation wrong and library wrong), but it shown error in the page. Is that the wikipedia coding on checking issn had error instead? or UFT8 character table or 8 bit character table error? Matthew_hk tc 20:36, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

What is the affected page? – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:50, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

TemplateData update[edit]

If you're interested in how templates get placed on a page, then please see mw:Help:TemplateData#Custom formats. It's now possible to tell Parsoid that {{unref}} and similar tags belong on separate lines. This change should make it easier to maintain wikitext whitespace conventions. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Last update on ENWiki - August 31, 2017[edit]

Hello, I am a dedicated member of this project and I commit my time to clearing the problems of the English Wikipedia. I noticed the last update was August 31, 2017.

Is there any reason for that? Are you trying to reduce the backlog first before updating. I am bringing this to your attention because it used to be daily.

AmericanAir88 (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

As i can see, the wikis with dump cycle - an update twice a month - work as usual. I can see the hewiki updates all the time. The wikis with special schedule - as enwiki every day, and so on, are not work, because they done by different script. Maybe, until this script will be fixed, the dump one should check all the wikis - twice a month is better than nothing. IKhitron (talk) 12:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Future of the project?[edit]

Hi everyone (Bgwhite, Magioladitis, all others)

I was really sad when I understood a few months ago that Bgwhite had left the project (and wiki altogether). His work made the project increase a lot since he took over after SK. Now that Bgwhite also left the project, I'd like to understand what can be done to continue with this project. I understand that enwiki has some strong opponents against it (I don't understand why, keeping a good maintenance level is good for wiki in the long term...), but many other wikis seem to be ok with the project. My experience with frwiki is that I can do a lot of things over there, I just have to explain from times to times what I'm doing and why, but there are no ayatollas against the project.

It seems that some lists have not been updated in the last weeks (or months ?), so there's probably some maintenance to do on Labs for checkwiki. Is anyone interested in taking over this part of the project (at least making sure that the scripts keep running on a regular basis on Labs) ? How can we get access to checkwiki account on Labs ? Myself, I already have little time available to work on WPC, so working also on checkwiki would be too much...

If we don't manage to keep the checkwiki scripts running, there's still the possibility to use WPC to generate some of the lists (I do it on frwiki), but it's only based on the dumps which are normally produced twice a month.

--NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 16:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

NicoV I think we have tp move the entire project on Meta and say goodbye to English Wikipedia, at least for now. There was an effort to encourage people to determine which tasks they find useful but I am not sure about the current status anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure where you get the idea that WP:CHECKWIKI has strong opponents. Most people have been pretty supportive of it, "opponents" included. Moving the project to 'meta' won't change anything about anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Headbomb The task is global. We moved the main information from German Wikipedia to Engish Wikipedia but I think it will reduce drama on English Wikipedia if we have a list of all possible errors that can be fixed on Meta. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Centralizing the project elsewhere certainly is doable (and may even be desirable for a variety of reasons), but it won't change anything about the level of support, or the drama (or lack thereof) the project has. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:01, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Magioladitis I don't think that hosting the discussions on Meta or English wikipedia changes anything: it's just the discussions, not the tools. I'm more worried about maintaining the tools on Labs: currently, the scripts are not working normally, only a few errors are reported... --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 15:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Both the enwiki (started: 31 August 2017, job id: 8992714) and frwiki (started: 12 September 2017, job id: 9458602) jobs have hung on the Toolforge grid. Since they are configured to have only one instance running at a time, new instances of these jobs will not run until these are killed. The statuses can be checked using qstat -j 8992714,9458602 on a Toolforge command line. I am not a member of the checkwiki Toolforge project, so I can't kill them. The two log files are at /data/project/checkwiki/var/log/frwiki-delay.o9458602 and /data/project/checkwiki/var/log/enwiki-delay.o8992714 --Bamyers99 (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Some ideas:

  • Couldn't some WMF department help us? Given how successful the project is...
  • Shouldn't we finally have this integrated as a MediaWiki extension, like the successful Linter? This would spread it to much much more wikis.

Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

There was an effort to integrate to a Mediawiki extension. Everything was interrupted due a series of unfortunate events. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: If you would like to add me as a maintainer to the checkwiki tool I can get the enwiki and frwiki jobs running again. I am an experienced developer and run several bots/tools. --Bamyers99 (talk) 19:04, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
+1 for Bamyers99 request: we need someone that can do this kind of action. If you want to add me also, but I've never user this tools. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 10:52, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
@Magioladitis and Ladsgroup: Anyone could add a maintainer to unblock the jobs ? --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 07:59, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Bamyers99 : thanks for the explanation ! Matěj Suchánek: Pinging Whatamidoing to see if we can get some assistance on this one. Linter could integrate many of the detections I think, maybe in the future. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 10:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I just added User:Bamyers99 as maintainer, hope that helps. Ladsgroupoverleg 15:38, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup: Thanks. I am able to log on and will try to get enwiki and frwiki running again and figure out where the infinite loop is. --Bamyers99 (talk) 15:51, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
enwiki and frwiki are working again. An infinite loop bug has been fixed. --Bamyers99 (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

As an OT comment, I'm glad to see activity in this wikiproject. The English Wikipedia is unfortunately behind with the Tidy fixes, while, if all goes well, a couple of big other wikis like the German and the Italian Wikipedia will be on track for an early switch to Remex a few weeks from now. I plan to nudge the English Wikipedia community once again soon, this time at the technical Village Pump. Obviously curious to hear other ideas of course :) Best, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Going to ping Magioladitis (talk · contribs) here. Bamyers99 got the thing to run again. That should give your bot lots of work to do! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)