Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Chinese provinces workgroup
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- 1 to Italian
- 2 Interested in project
- 3 conversion log
- 4 communication
- 5 questions
- 6 complete article?
- 7 Fujian history
- 8 Municipalities
- 9 provincial maps
- 10 Quick Navigation Box
- 12 English-language Database?
- 13 Questions + Translations
- 14 template to put on talk page of articles?
- 15 Project directory
- 16 Wikipedia Day Awards
- 17 Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China - sent for deletion
- 18 Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
- 19 Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Chinese provinces
- 20 Cantonese wikiproject?
- 21 Article alerts
- 22 WP 1.0 bot announcement
- 23 Chinese provinces articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
- 24 Sichuan
- 25 Good links
- 26 Chinese provinces
- 27 Cleaning up Chinese script on province articles
Hi. I'm translating PRC provinces articles in Italian. Does the Infobox PRC province template exist? I can't find it. Thank's.
Interested in project
Hi, I am interested in taking part in this project. Do you have any external resources about some detailed information (population, area etc.) of the provinces? --Lorenzarius
- The population can be gotten from the Fifth National Census (第五次全国人口普查) result from last year (here). The area can be old area since it mostly unchanged. Density can be calculated. Rest of data can't really be gotten from a single source. Some provinces have websites that describe itself to promote investment.
As of right now, anyone who wishs to participate can list their name on the project. --voidvector
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- This project resembles Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. States and WikiProject French departements, ideas can be borrowed from them. --Kt2
- National Bureau of Statistics of China - Some data that might be useful. The website is very incomplete like it does not even contain census results. --voidvector
- http://www.cncn.com/ Another good source of information about the provinces, much numeric data can be found there. The page is in Simplified Chinese. --Lorenzarius 10:35 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
How do you guys (voidvector, Lorenzarius, Olivier) communicate with each other to agree upon a format of the province? Is it discussed on IRC, the newsgroup or other means?. The page is obviously lacking signs of communication among participants where other wikipedians can enter the discussion and contribute. -- User:kt2
- hmmm... you're right, voidvecter started it and I joined, but I think the format by voidvector is very well-done already. Do you have any suggestions? --Lorenzarius
- Well I can contribute to some histories of some provinces. Another question. Do we use the format for defunct Chinese provinces, like Rehe, Chahaer, Suiyuan, Fengtian, Xikang etc. ? kt2
- Defunct provinces? Although the scope of the project is all the PRC provinces, I can see no reason that we shouldn't apply the template to those. Some parts of the template may not be applicable, though it is not a big problem. (However I would prefer to let those articles stay in their original form) --Lorenzarius
Questions: (see Hebei)
- should the transportation paragraph be under "tourism", "economy" or "Miscellaneous topics". I would be more in favor of "economy".
- where do we place the list of major cities? In the definition paragraph or in geography?
olivier 12:26 Jan 16, 2003 (UTC)
- I would favor "economy" as well for "transportation".
- I have been putting "cities" under "geography", even though I originally listed it under "demographics". (I forgot about it myself.) I originally put it under "demographics" because "demographics" is about human population. (WikiProject U.S. States puts "cities" under its own paragraph.)
- My original template is just my brainstorm of things. Feel free to add, modify, and remove.
- I would prefer transportation and cities get their own paragraphs. -- User:kt2
- Transportation should get a paragraph on its own. Neither geography nor tourism can properly fit that well with transportation. We should be looking at major provincial air/seaports, roads, rail and expressways. --DF08 18:34, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I was wondering what constitutes a complete article. --voidvector
- I would say everything comprises a successful article with degree of detail defined by readability. A section gets its won article if users add so much about it. All wikipedia articles are not and will never be considered finished with everyday contributions. User:kt2
Guys, mind if you check out my history section on Fujian. Is it too long, too concise or just about enough? I'm trying to write sections of similar length on other provinces and would like to have an idea if you are happy with it. Thanx. User:kt2
- It is very well-done! Actually I think that the history section can be a seperate article and we can leave a brief summary on the main province page (just like the WikiProject Countries and US States etc.). --Lorenzarius
I think it would be better to use the title "Chongqing" for "Chongqing city" and add a link to "Chongqing Municipality" on the page. Since most of the other articles refer to "Chongqing city" as "Chongqing". (Please pardon my poor expressions.) --Lorenzarius 15:34 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- New articles mentioning the Municipality will probably simply call it "Chongqing" too. If we follow your suggestion, these links will lead to the City, and that might be confusing. Before changing the name of the "Chongqing city", I would suggest that we create the "Chongqing Municipality" article, and see how many articles link to each of them. If there is a big majority linking to the city, then it might be a good idea to make the change you are suggesting. olivier 15:41 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- You mean these? =) --Lorenzarius 15:46 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Chongqing Municipality
- Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Chongqing City
- Exactly. 12 for "Chongqing city" and 13 for "Chongqing Municipality". Maybe we should leave the article names like this for the moment and keep disambiguating at "Chongqing". olivier 15:49 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Hmmmm then I guess the same thing should be done to the other three Municipalities right? ("municipality" is a hard word to spell =P) Lorenzarius 15:53 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- In the case of the other municipalities, is the territory covered different from the one covered by the city? olivier 17:02 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Another possibility... What about merging the Municipality article and the City article into one? I think most people won't be able to distinguish between the two, but I may be wrong... Lorenzarius 16:06 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- That is an option. We could actually write 2 articles into one, in this case. But what would we do with the "Provinces" template? olivier 17:02 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Does municipality articel much differ than the city one? IMO Merge them if they are same and explain the small differences in the article. Before they are done, just left them as it is for now. User:Kt2
- I think that in the case of Chongqing, the city is quite different from the municipality (which is basically the size of a regular province). I am not sure about the other ones. olivier 07:24 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
Query: Is there anyway of making the Chinese provincial maps more "neutral" when it comes the to status of Taiwan. I don't want to get into a flame war about this, but I suspect that there is a way of doing the colors so that it doesn't take a position as far as the sovereignty of Taiwan.
Note: I do *not* want to get into a flame war about this, but I have seen very clever color schemes (especially from maps from Taiwan) that skirt the issue.
- My suggested answer to the question would be to simply add the island of Taiwan as an additional province on the map. My understanding is that most people in the PRC and in the ROC agree on the fact that china = mainland + island of taiwan. The debate tends to center around "who should rule this entity" rather than "what is the entity". olivier 13:04 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
- I would suggest that the problem does indeed go further than 'who should rule this entity', and is more centered around 'if Taiwan and China should be seen as being part of the same entity'. This is in no way a provocation or show of stances in either way, but rather just a suggestion that there perhaps indeed needs to be more recognition and discussion as to how this issue should be handled. User:jwcchen 18:01 Jun 18, 2006
- As my map source did not include the Sichuan and Chongqing Municipality split I have to correct the maps anyway, so I just uploaded a new version of the Sichuan map which now also includes Taiwan in a light color (not sure if it's notable enough). If that's acceptable I will upload corrected versions of the other maps next days. andy 22:47 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
Currently there's a quick navigation box at the bottom of every province article -- except that the box contains only provinces -- no AR's, municipalities, or SAR's. The municipalities have their own box that links only to the other municipalities (no provinces and AR's), the AR's have no box at all, and the three provinces of the Northeast/Manchuria have a special "Manchurian provinces" box that links only to the other two provinces of Manchuria.
This is, to say the least, hugely counter-intuitive.
Perhaps we should have a single box that appears at the bottom of every province, AR, or municipality?
ran 21:12, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Uh... I don't know actually. I assume that each of the provincial governments may have an English version of their official website? -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 02:56, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
Questions + Translations
Hi everyone. I'd like to join this wikiproject.. ^^. I have, in front of me, a copy of 中国地图册 by 中国地图出版社. And since translations are considered original work, i was wondering if it was worth the effor to translate the entire atlas...province by province ofcourse
Precisely, it's 中国地图册（塑套本), 中国地图出版社编制出版. 1993年9月第8版河北第32次印刷。 It has the maps (which i'm only going to read) followed by detailed descriptions in the format of
- Overview- includes ethnicities
- Geography- VERY detailed
- Climate- ditto with geo
- Rivers & Lakes-ditto
- Agriculture-IF translated, part of Economy section?
- Industry- same as Agriculture
- Transporation- outdated, not going to bother
- Important Cities- good for overview?
So, should i go ahead and translate the useful sections and incorporate into the province articles? an example should be up soon on my userpage.
zeChinaman 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
template to put on talk page of articles?
yes? it's not a template yet...jsut my experiment so far
zeChinaman 17:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China - sent for deletion
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Hello, Source for population and GDP data: 《中国统计年鉴—2005》 China Statistical Yearbook 2005, but GDP-Data is as 2010, and Sichuan is ranked 8th, but 9th. --Diwas (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC) There are GDP contradictions on more Chinese provinces. --Diwas (talk) 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Good links about China division http://chinadataonline.org/cgepublic/cityclient16/# --Kaiyr (talk) 19:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
May I ask why the Chinese provinces are given as Fujian, Hainan, Guangdong, and so on, and not Fujian Province, Hainan Province, &c? It seems that, in common English speech, one always refers to them with "province". RGloucester — ☎ 20:47, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- Based on the guidelines at WP:NC the article name should have both Precision – lack of ambiguity, and be concise – no longer than required. Since there is no other thing called 'Fujian' or 'Guangdong', there is no ambiguity, and thus the word province would be superfluous and lack conciseness. Rincewind42 (talk) 06:11, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Cleaning up Chinese script on province articles
There is an excessive amount of Chinese script and transliterations on all Chinese province articles. Also much of it is repetitive. For example, look at Guangdong. The lead sentence contains traditional and simplified Chinese script, Pinyin and Jyutping transliteration. Then the template:Infobox PRC province repeats all that traditional and simplified Chinese script, Pinyin and Jyutping transliteration plus Yale Cantonese, Hakka Pinyim and Teochew Png'im. Then we have the template:Chinese infobox which again repeats traditional and simplified Chinese script, pinyin and Jyutping transliteration, Yale Cantonese, Hakka Pinyim and Teochew Png'im but adds Wade-Giles, Cantonese IPA, Mandarin IPA, Taiwanese POJ, Wu, Min Dong BUC and Chinese postal map romanizations. Basically it is a repetitive mess that needs fixed.
If you look at WP:MOS-ZH is says that where complex transliterations are to be included, they should go into the infobox and not into the lead sentence. Therefore I plan to clean the scripts and transliterations out of the lead sentences. This will be in line with the city articles such as Beijing and Shanghai.
A complication arises with province articles in that there are two infoboxes designed to take Chinese script. We don't really need both. It is my opinion that the Chinese script and transliterations is best kept within the template:Chinese. This template infobox is specialised for this task and it is consistent in style and format with other Chinese related articles. Putting all that info into the template:Infobox PRC province gives the transliterations too much weight high in the article. Instead lets just have the English name and the Chinese simplified script at the top, similar to the city or people infoboxes. The other scripts and transliterations can be stripped for the template:Infobox PRC province and put only in [template:Chinese]].