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- 1 Baptists
- 2 Overhaul
- 3 Spiritual Baptist
- 4 Request for refs: Ichthus Christian Fellowship
- 5 Anabaptist vs. Baptist
- 6 Coordinator?
- 7 Baptism in the Baptist churches
- 8 Amish GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
- 9 Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
- 10 Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Baptist work group
- 11 Discussion regarding project organization
- 12 Article alerts
- 13 Anabaptist navigation box
- 14 Requested move: Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday
- 15 Menno Simons
- 16 Portal:Baptist
- 17 Need to Update Anabaptist History
- 18 Southeastern Free Will Baptist College
- 19 Martin Luther King, Jr. Request for comment
- 20 Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church
- 21 Coordinator elections
- 22 Baptist church
- 23 Proposed deletion of Clancularii
- 24 WP 1.0 bot announcement
- 25 Baptists and Anabaptists in one work group ?
- 26 Baptist boilerplate cleanup
- 27 Relevant AFD discussion page - The Most Hated Family in America
- 28 Christianity portals
- 29 NEW ARTICLE on Mennonite Archives
- 30 Baptist beliefs
- 31 Dispute over "Controversie" at Elevation Church and Steven Furtick articles
- 32 Proposed redirection of Christianity subproject talk pages
- 33 Criswell College
- 34 Julie Pennington-Russell
- 35 RFC on Spirituality section of the Anabaptist article
- 36 Requested move at Anabaptist
- 37 Baptist clergy -> Baptist ministers
- 38 Rapes in the Mennonite colonies of Bolivia
- There seem to be quite a few Baptist editors in Wikipedia, but no real central organized group to deal with such articles. If it should take off, this would be such a group. The group would also deal with articles of related Anabaptist groups.
- Proposed project page
- Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)
- Magnus animum
- SonPraises 20:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- futurebird 04:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Working for Him
- John Carter 19:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- kgyt 22:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- SU Linguist 01:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- NDCompuGeek 18:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- Geomapboy2 22:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Given the number of existing parties, it seems to me that there is enough interest to try to set this up as a subproject of Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity. I am thus contacting the members of that group to see if they would be willing to take it on as a work group. John Carter 19:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- The project page is now active. John Carter 21:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I polished up the page and created a new user box. Cheers. -- SECisek 22:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
This group seems to be a syncretion of the Baptist faith and ancient African religions. To the rest of you think that it should fall within the purview of this group or not? There is currently some question because it is included in the List of Baptist sub-denominations as well. Thank you for any and all responses. John Carter 22:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think the threshold should be if this group considers itself to be Baptist plus if they do believer's baptism, and "believe in Christ" (under one of many of the myriad of interpretations of that)These are core baptist ideas. If they don't do these things, but still think they are "Baptist" we need to explain why. So, even for that maybe the working group should take it up.
- Since they seem to self-identify by the name "Spiritual Baptist" I'd say yes it should go in, although it'd be nice if the article explained which elements of the religion are specifically Baptist as opposed to just generally Christian.  Looks like a good resource.
- I know from experience that some Baptists (specifically some members of of the church I grew up in) would reject the idea that this is a Christian religion, let alone a Baptist one, since they have this abhorrence of "Paganism" (--but then the people in my childhood church don't have Christmas trees, because that's "Pagan" too) How wide of a net do we cast? I don't know. I think it's OK to include them if only to show the wide reach and impact of Baptist ideas. futurebird 22:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I tend to think you should include them. Good to see activity here. -- SECisek 22:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The Spiritual Baptists believe that their religion comes from John the Baptist and their name from the practice of immersing their practitioners in water as a means of baptizing them into the faith (Henry 36-39). Rituals are characterized by bell ringing, mourning, shouting and visits from the Holy Spirit ... Easter – This celebrates Christ’s victory over death and is a joyous occasion.
They sound like Baptists to me. futurebird 22:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Request for refs: Ichthus Christian Fellowship
Anabaptist vs. Baptist
I'm a bit concerned whether the Anabaptist faith tradition fits within the scope of a Baptist work group. Certainly there are similarities, but the Baptists and Anabaptists are distinct enough "streams" that I'm not sure they should be grouped together. Furthermore, it appears to me from the category list that more is being done with Baptist topics than Anabaptist. I don't mean to step onto anyone's toes, but should Anabaptist be spun off into its own group? (Szdfan (talk) 15:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC))
- The reason for the existing name was that Category:Anabaptism includes Category:Baptist and is one of the main subcategories of Category:Christian denominations, and it was an attempt to ensure that most of these churches receive some more specific coverage than just that which can be provided by the main Christianity project. Having said that, there wouldn't necessarily be any objections from me for the creation of a separate Baptist group, or, for that matter of a separate Methodist group, Nestorian group, Restorationist group. or potentially any number of others, if there were sufficient interest in such a group to justify the changes to the templates, creating the additional pages, etc. Any other responses out there? The major denominations which to my eyes still don't have groups are, by categorization, as follows:
- Category:Anglicanism is within the scope of the separate Wikipedia:WikiProject Anglicanism
- Category:Eastern Christianity is all also already contained within one or more projects, possibly inadequately in regards to the Assyrian Church of the East
- Category:Oriental Orthodoxy is within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy
- Category:Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
- Category:Community of Christ
- Category:Local Church movement
- Category:Moravian Church
- Category:Orange Order (probably more related to WikiProject Northern Ireland)
- Category:Plymouth Brethren
- Category:Radical Pietism
- Category:Reformed Church
- Category:Roman Catholic Church is already within the scope of WikiProject Catholicism.
It has probably been noticed by most of the editors who frequent this page that there is often a pronounced degree of overlap between the various projects relating to Christianity. Given that overlap, and the rather large amount of content we have related to the subject of Christianity, it has been proposed that the various Christianity projects select a group of coordinators who would help ensure the cooperation of the various projects as well as help manage some project related activities, such as review, assessment, portal management, and the like. Preferably, we would like to consider the possibility of having one party from each of the major Christianity projects included, given the degree of specialization which some of the articles contain. We now are accepting nominations for the coordinators positions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1. Any parties interested in helping performing some of the management duties of the various Christianity projects is encouraged to nominate themselves there. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 17:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- Much to my surprise, the period for the factual elections of the new coordinators has started a bit earlier than I expected. For what it's worth, as the "instigator" of the proposed coordinators, the purpose of having them is not to try to impose any sort of "discipline" on the various projects relating to Christianity, but just to ensure that things like assessment, peer review, portal maintainance, and other similar directly project-related functions get peformed for all the various projects relating to Christianity. If there are any individuals with this project who are already doing such activities for the project, and who want to take on the role more formally, I think nominations are being held open until the end of the elections themselves. And, for the purposes of this election, any member in good standing of any of the Christianity projects can either be nominated or express their votes at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1. Thank you for your attention. John Carter (talk) 00:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Baptism in the Baptist churches
There has been some recent discussion at the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum page about what to do with all the articles relating to baptism in the various Christian churches. A list of the articles invovled can be found at User:Pastordavid/workpage. Some of these articles relate specifically to baptism and the baptist/anabaptist traditions. I think we would all welcome any input from members of this project regarding what if anything to do with the articles, which might include keeping them separate, merging them, or otherwise dealing with them. Thank you for your attention. John Carter (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Amish and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a few issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article along with several related WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
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Discussion regarding project organization
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I noticed that, as present, we don't have a navigation box to easily link the most important articles on that subject, like, for instance, Template:Roman Catholicism2, which is used for Roman Catholicism. Would anyone like to help create such a navbox, and what articles do you all think should be included in it? Ideally, the articles to be included would be those which give a broad, comprehensive look at the subject. Those articles would also likely be counted as the most important articles on the subject, as they are linked to from the main anabaptist page through the navbox. Thoughts? John Carter (talk) 15:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Requested move: Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday
I would like to collaborate on the Menno Simons article. I have added an infobox and a bibliography stub section. I have also created a category on Wikimedia Commons. Please join me in the effort to improve the Start-class article to C or B-class! Rubenescio (talk) 10:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I am in a small way perhaps trying to help ensure that we don't have too many articles appearing disproportionately often in all of the Christianity portals. Toward that purpose, I have at least started on a list of articles relevant to the various portals at User:John Carter/Christianity portals. If there is anyone here who is involved in the above portal, please feel free to make any input you see fit there. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 16:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Need to Update Anabaptist History
I just finished my thesis on what caused Anabaptist persecutions in the 1500s, and I was severely disappointed when I discovered the lack of comprehensive Anabaptist history on Wikipedia. The current state consists mainly of isolated events and people, for example Sattler's trial and Simon's development, without providing any comprehensive history to link the different articles together. With a wealth of literature and resources fresh on my mind, I plan on updating the Anabaptist history section currently located under "Anabaptism," and I would appreciate comments and help in my effort. My thesis focused on Switzerland, Hesse, and the Hapsburg territories in Austria, so I am in need of people who thoroughly know the history of Anabaptism in other regions, especially Dutch Anabaptism. I also wanted to know if I should just create an entirely new article since there is a lot of content to cover. Etennisdude (talk) 14:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- First, thank you very much for being willing to take on this task. This is a subject which, for whatever reason, clearly is not covered to a great degree here yet. My own personal choice would be to create a separate article on the subject, because it is like you say a rather complicated matter and there is a lot of material to cover. This is not to say that a short section called, perhaps "History of the Anabaptist movement" could not be included in the main Anabaptist article, and move the rest of the content currently there to the separate article, with your own additions regarding your field of expertise. But even I, who am comparatively unfamiliar with this particular subject, know that there is enough material to make a more than substantial separate article. Regarding the material for the history in other areas, while I do hope and pray we will get people to add that content shortly, we should still encourage you to add your own material now anyway. There is no good reason for you to delay your doing what you want to do, and are clearly qualified to do, now. John Carter (talk) 22:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Feel free to tag any article in the Category:Baptists or any of its reasonable subcategories as well. That's the best way to let the articles' creators and the project itself know that the articles in question are there. John Carter (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Martin Luther King, Jr. Request for comment
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Wikipedians at Talk:Roman Catholic Church are discussing the merits of changing the article name as such.
Roman Catholic Church → Catholic Church. Please share your opinions there. --Carlaude talk 12:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. The Bethlehem Baptist Church (Minneapolis) page has survived deletion, but if anyone would like to rate it on its discussion page that would be great.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Clancularii
I have proposed the deletion of Clancularii. If anyone can find a verifiable source and additional information on this Anabaptist group, it may be salvageable. ✤ JonHarder talk 15:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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Baptists and Anabaptists in one work group ?
I'm a bit surprised that baptists and anabaptists are considered in the same work group. Baptists and Anabaptists are surely different from each other. Anabaptists derive for instance from the radical reformation and teach nonviolence. Both are protestant groups, but with different theological and historical background. --Mennojan (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- These WikiProjects are groupings of encyclopaedists, working on articles, not religious factions. Uncle G (talk) 14:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Baptist boilerplate cleanup
As part of the article rescue fallout of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama Baptist State Board of Missions, I and other editors are working on fixing all of the boilerplate articles given to us by Toverton28 (talk · contribs). Witness Alabama Baptist Convention before and after, and Alaska Baptist Convention before and after. There's a to-do list at User talk:Uncle G#Southern Baptist navboxes, where you are welcome to join in the effort. Uncle G (talk) 14:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Relevant AFD discussion page - The Most Hated Family in America
There is an AFD for The Most Hated Family in America, which is a television documentary film that was written and presented by the BBC's Louis Theroux about the family at the core of the Westboro Baptist Church (info from lede of article).
- AFD is located at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Most Hated Family in America.
I am currently trying to get together some lists of articles relevant to each Christianity-related portal which could be used, at least potentially, to help bring all the extant portals up to Featured Portal status. The current, admittedly incomplete, list of articles, images, etc., relevant to each portal can be found at User:John Carter/Christianity portals. I also think that, at least in theory, we would probably best use a single article only in a single portal, and that we probably have enough articles to do that, although there might be a few exceptions. I would welcome input from anyone on the associated talk page regarding which articles and other materials they would like to see associated with which portal(s), any suggestions for additional portals or changes to existing portals, etc. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
NEW ARTICLE on Mennonite Archives
I am new to wikipedia, but have been working on an article about the mennonite archives in Goshen, IN. It is currently quite short, but I would love to get some feedback on it, or even find someone interested to help contribute. Here is the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonite_Church_USA_Archives MrsSimons (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. An editor has suggested deleting (redirecting) the article Baptist beliefs on its talk page. It is pretty bad but I doubt you want to lose it all. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Dispute over "Controversie" at Elevation Church and Steven Furtick articles
I am stepping back from the articles Elevation Church and Steven Furtick after trying to engage in discussion and consensus with an editor whom, in my opinion, is over aggressive on including controversial material on each subject. I do not want to engage in an edit war and believe I have done all I can do. I would appreciate other comments and perspectives. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Proposed redirection of Christianity subproject talk pages
I have recently started discussion about possibly eliminating the use of a separate talk page for it here. Input from any interested editors is very welcome and encouraged. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 22:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
According to the Criswell_College page it is supported by this workgroup. If someone has some time, the page could use some cleanup and a neutral 3rd party to help out. As the primary contributor to this page for the last few years (since around 2006/7) I am at the end of my time and obviously meager skill. --Hungus (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I've just created an article about this lady, who is probably the most notable female american baptist pastor at present. I see someone's marked it as being of high-importance to this work group, so I'm glad to have helped. I think I've got it to a reasonable state now, and hopefully others will feel able to contribute. Sidefall (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
RFC on Spirituality section of the Anabaptist article
I would like some comments on the Spirituality section of the Anabaptist page. I started a new section on the talk page. My proposal is to totally redo the section, eliminating the two points and replacing them with more appropriate points about Anabaptist spirituality. I am placing this notice here, since this is the work group associated with that page. :-) Mikeatnip (talk) 02:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Requested move at Anabaptist
Baptist clergy -> Baptist ministers
Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_June_5#Baptist_clergy – Fayenatic London 18:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Copying this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Baptist work group. Understandable confusion as there was no link to the Baptist WG in the template before.--JFH (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Rapes in the Mennonite colonies of Bolivia
Here is a documentary from Vice: