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Post Virgilian Latin Pastoral Poetry[edit]

Hi. I'm new to this. As my first project, I decided to write new entries for: the Eclogues of Calpurnius, Eclogues of Nemesianus and Einsiedeln Eclogues. I also revised the biog pages for Calpurnius Siculus and Nemesianus, as they were previously cut and pasted from the old edition of the Britannica. I hope my contributions prove useful.

Anyway: now that I've had my fun, it would be great if others could check out and improve the new pages.

Moreover, any suggestions for my next project are welcome! Best regards Charles CHRM2 (talk) 21:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

PA on Wikidata[edit]

I've proposed on Wikidata a new property for Kirchner's Prosopographia Attica: if you are interested, write here. Thank you, --Epìdosis 16:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

The property has been created: d:Property:P2421. Use it! --Epìdosis 11:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Could anyone have a look at Draft:Protohistoric Aquitania? It's currently eligible for deletion given it hasn't been edited in a while. Thanks, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 17:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

De laudibus Christi[edit]

I've been working on Cento vergilianus de laudibus Christi for the past few days. It's one of the first examples of a Christian poem, as well as one of the few extant examples of a poem by a women. I'd love it if anyone wants to look over what I've made. Thanks.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Livilla and Pontius Pilate[edit]

Per request on the tasks page I looked into whether or not Livilla ran off to Judaea with Pontius Pilate and I couldn't find anything to verify the claim. In fact I could only find recent (1972 at the earliest with 2015's The Magic Circle: A Novel by Katherine Neville being the most recent) writings to suggest Livilla and Pilate had an affair. In my opinion, Encyclopedia Britannica is lying or just plain wrong.

I don't know who made the request so whoever does let them know. - Psychotic Spartan 123 13:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

There's no sense making absurd accusations against a respected encyclopedia without even determining whether it says something controversial. doesn't identify Pilate's wife by name, or have anything to say about her apart from a brief mention in the Gospel of Matthew. I checked out Eusebius' ecclesiastical history and Josephus, and didn't see anything about his wife. Our article, Pontius Pilate's wife, says that the name "Procula" appears in the Gospel of Nicodemus, around the fourth century. That doesn't support any connection with Tiberius. The name "Claudia" is supposedly derived from Pseudo-Dexter, dated to 1619. Even if there were a reliable source for it, the name alone wouldn't imply a relationship to Tiberius. In his day there were hundreds, if not thousands of Claudii throughout the empire, and they couldn't all have been close relatives of the emperor. P Aculeius (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh I wasn't making a statement about the Encyclopedia Britannica - personally I find much of it's content preferable to ours; I meant only that the information about Livilla having an affair with Pontius Pilate and escaping Rome to go to Judea is probably inaccurate. Although she might have had an affair with Pilate there is no evidence to suggest she ever married him, or that she herself was "Procula" or "Saint Claudia". To clarify, his wife might have been Livilla, but I think it's unlikely. Psychotic Spartan 123 23:20, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
What I'm saying is that the Britannica is neither lying nor wrong; it doesn't seem to make any assertion about Livilla and Pontius Pilate. From the above, I'm guessing that it's the invention of a novelist, such as the aforementioned Ms. Neville, who never claimed it as historical fact. Just because somebody cites the Britannica doesn't mean that the "fact" cited is there! P Aculeius (talk) 00:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
From the wording of the request he made it sound as though he was of the belief that Livilla might have escaped Rome with Pontius Pilate. I wasn't asserting that anything Ms. Neville wrote was factual, only that recent fiction writings including hers are the only works that mention Pilate and Livilla in the same breath. Here are the facts: Livilla was married to Drusus Julius Caesar who was poisoned in 24 (according to Cassius Dio, History of Rome LVII. 22). Once Sejanus fell from power in 31 he was executed and Livilla died (sources disagree on method of death), therefore Livilla couldn't have escaped to Judea with Pontius Pilate who had been in Judea since at least 26 to 36.
Regarding Britannica Online, I take back my remark as the article says nothing of the kind regarding Pilate and Livilla. In fact, it doesn't even mention Livilla. I must have confused one of my sources as I was writing. Psychotic Spartan 123 01:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I'd say it's because the fellow who asked the question cited to it. Not clear why. P Aculeius (talk) 01:06, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
The person who asked was an IP.[1] I'm not sure if that means we should go ahead and remove it or not. Psychotic Spartan 123 18:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)