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Several Texas Longhorns football individual games nominated for deletion[edit]

Requesting comments for the Infobox – dispute between two users[edit]

Friends, UW Dawgs and I have been going at this situation for a while now and it is time for others to step in. Should we include or exclude the years next to the conference? The template recommended at one time that we insert the years after the conference name (ie. Southeastern Conference (1932–present)) like you see at Washington Huskies football. However, I think it is too much of a clutter, AND we're not consistent throughout the whole WikiProject. I understand its use in the PastAffilaitions = parameter, but it is pretty useless to list next to the current conference providing that it is either in the past affiliations parameter or listed in the body of the article. Currently, UW Dawgs is only inserting it in "his" conference - the Pac-12 and as I've said time and time again, if we are going to include it, we need to include it in EVERY article that this template is used in not just one specific conference. Not to mention that it is only recommended, not mandatory as UW Dawgs thinks it is. So, what are your thoughts? Do we keep it or remove it? Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 03:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

If we do include the years of membership next to the conference in Template:Infobox NCAA football school, there probably ought to be a dedicated field for that year the program joined that conference. We could then render the years in smaller font, like how the various winning percentages are displayed. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
See Template talk:Infobox NCAA football school#removing conference entry year from conf article link. Having the conf name link include the " (YYYY-present)" text is awful. UW Dawgs (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for pivoting from months of WP:DE into a Talk discussion as requested. Template:Infobox NCAA football school#Examples shows inclusion of membership years in both conference and division. If we don't want this, both of our help examples ("| ConferenceDisplay= SEC (1932–present)" and "| ConfDivision = Western (1992–present)") should be updated to remove the date ranges. Period. Editors, new and otherwise, should be able to rely on our examples and there should not be a covert campaign to undo edits which conform with the very examples we provide as guides to editing.
The biggest positive I see in the current instructions is more exposure and awareness around conf/ind membership year ranges, when we have ongoing discovery issues around accurately reflecting the team in the correct standings template for a given year. Obviously, that conf membership accuracy issue is more problematic in earlier seasons and our article creation campaign, rather than the more recent seasons which appear in this location. And a team's current conference "join/start-present" range can be derived when "| PastAffiliations" is consistently populated with the prior affiliations, something we are much better at now than even a year ago. The team's current division membership years somewhat align and duplicate their current conference years.
So I remain ambivalent about this outcome. Ongoing progress with "| PastAffiliations" data and other options such as surfacing an "Affiliations" section via our (dated) Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Team pages format in support of "| PastAffiliations" infobox data are better methods to get at the issue I do care about, accuracy and completeness of the affiliations year ranges. UW Dawgs (talk) 03:56, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Most feedback withdrawn as Corky implemented a massive, unannounced template change which breaks render of the conference name on every CFB article Infobox (less the handful that were fixed), then 30 minutes later asked the project to discuss if we should change the render behavior of the exact same conference strings. The project should immediately focus on resolving the broken render and inconsistencies in help text. UW Dawgs (talk) 08:47, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
If you'd take a chill pill, I'm working on getting it fixed (as I have to do it manually). I have a life outside of Wikipedia. There is no point in really asking the WikiProject for feedback because hardly anyone replies. The main goal is to simplify it. I edited a few of the major programs so others would catch on to the change. Oh, and it amazes me how your about the only person who has a problem with the updates I've been making. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 09:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I've re-added the old parameter while still keeping the new parameter. If it doesn't work, purge your browser. It worked for me. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 10:12, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I support your edits to simplify the conference fields into one field. Having the display and the wiki-link for one data point spliceds into two separate fields is not a good practice. Thanks for attacking that. However, with moves like this, it would be best to retain the old parameters until all tranclusions in the mainspace have been migrated to the new field. Don't be bashful about asking for help with tasks like this. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:30, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
@Jweiss11: We could do something like Southeastern Conference (since 1932) or something similar? I'm fine with it – even though I don't think it needs to be included at all – as long as it isn't linked. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 21:31, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Corky, I agree that the year range should not be linked. That was a consequence of the ConferenceDisplay and ConferenceLink links, which don't all only part of the ConferenceDisplay to be linked. Have the instance of this infobox all been updated to the Conference field? If not, can we wrap that up and eliminate those older fields? I just updated a few Pac-12 articles. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:30, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
No, I'm planning on doing it overnight tomorrow and finishing up overnight Saturday. After this whole deal, I decided to stop. I'm thinking if we use (since year) instead of (year–present), it should all fit on one line (ASU Sun Devils is an example of it wrapping to the next line). I also think we should just insert the year after the conference and not add a new infobox field for it... thoughts? Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 02:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── All articles have been updated to reflect the new conference parameter and the old parameter has been removed. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 01:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NCAA football school[edit]

Friends, what's your opinions on the white box around the logos in the Infobox? I'm thinking of removing it because personally, I don't think it needs to be there, but it would also be consistent with other college sports infoboxes. I've done a test on it at Template:Infobox NCAA football school/testcases and personally think it looks better without the box... thoughts? If no one responds (please ping me so I know there is a response) by Monday, July 10, I will go ahead and remove it. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 04:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I agree it looks better without the box and is more consistent with other similar infoboxes. It may simply be a holdover from the earlier era on Wikipedia when logos were lower-resolution graphics with the white background attached, so having that box made sense. Not needed anymore with so many articles now having SVG logos. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment – white background has been removed. You may need to purge your web browser to see the change. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 12:34, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Recruit new editors for the project?[edit]

Hi, just wonder if there is any template or program in the project to recruit newcomers or new editors to join the project? Bobo.03 (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

There is this: Template:CFBwelcome. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
And Template:College football invite. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks, Jweiss11! I wonder how does WPCFB usually recruit new editors? I am a PhD student at the University of Minnesota. We are working on a study to help projects identify and recruit new editors. I am not sure if this is something WPCFB would be interested. Here is the meta-page. Bobo.03 (talk) 15:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Bobo.03, back in 2006, User:MECU recruited me to the project, but he hasn't been very active in recent years. I don't think we've had much of a recruitment effort of late, but a number of editors have found the project on their own and made valuable contributions. I'm interested in your study. Let me know what I can do to help. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Jweiss11! Our goal is to help projects to attract more editors to contribute. We are now trying to collect more feedback/suggestion for what projects need, and how to best help before we actually launch our study. And hopefully, we can attract more volunteers to participate our study. I will let you know when we start our study! Thanks! Bobo.03 (talk) 18:22, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jweiss11, following the previous discussion, I made a set of recommendations (it might contain some blocked editors who I will remove later). You'll notice that they are split between new editors and experienced editors. What do you think?

Username Recent Edits within College football Recent Edits in Wikipedia First Edit Date Most Recent Edit Date
Gavo2020 (talk · contribs) 2 2 2017-7-16 2017-7-16
HogMonomaniac (talk · contribs) 2 3 2017-7-17 2017-7-21
Molltery (talk · contribs) 4 5 2017-7-13 2017-7-13
Briansc (talk · contribs) 1 1 2017-7-14 2017-7-14
V089m9sz (talk · contribs) 317 692 2008-7-21 2017-7-19
Andymccullough27 (talk · contribs) 221 867 2007-2-8 2017-7-20
SGSIII37 (talk · contribs) 252 3565 2016-7-22 2017-7-15
Ptkday (talk · contribs) 276 3171 2008-10-12 2017-7-22
Tecmo (talk · contribs) 270 5418 2012-2-25 2017-7-17

Bobo.03 (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out, WikiOriginal-9. Yeh, to some extend, I agree. However, we'd like to provide more specific information about the editors to help you make decisions. So the question is.. do you think the table gives you enough information for each possible candidate editor to decide whether they should be invited to join your project? Any more information you'd like to see? Bobo.03 (talk) 04:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have any specific requests. I usually just click on their contributions and view their edits to see if they are good editors. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! That's good to know how you identify qualified editors. I have an other question, I wonder if you know much about the relationship between WPCF and WPNFL? Is there any overlapping of members or content among the two projects? Bobo.03 (talk) 00:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes, the two projects do overlap quite a bit in both content and editors. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

CfD: Category:Olivet College Athletic Hall of Fame Inductees[edit]

I have nominated Category:Olivet College Athletic Hall of Fame Inductees for deletion. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Listing historical capacities in stadium infoboxes[edit]

I think we should come up with a better way of presenting historical capacities of stadiums in Template:infobox venue, if we should even list them at all. In some cases we're dedicating over 20 (twenty) lines in the infobox just for this purpose. See Tiger Stadium (LSU), Ohio Stadium, Neyland Stadium. Although I do notice some only list the current capacity (Memorial Stadium (Lincoln), Cotton Bowl (stadium)), which I think is the best way to go. Historical capacities can be moved to a chart somewhere in the article. With college football stadiums accounting for 8 of the 10 largest stadiums on the planet, these historical capacity lists will just keep getting longer and longer as universities throw money at contractors for bigger stadiums. Lizard (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Agree. Put it in the body. Cbl62 (talk) 02:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Agree. Too often trivial details are placed in the infobox seemingly only for ease of editing e.g. minor facts like referees and announcers of games.—Bagumba (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Agree. Shouldn't be too hard to make it into a table. DMC511 (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I didn't see this until now, but I totally concur with consensus to move it out of the infobox. Ohio Stadium was my main example; Progressive Field is another one, though outside this specific wikiproject. For past stadiums, should we use the final capacity as well? --JonRidinger (talk) 03:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, the only reason I brought it up with only this wikiproject was because I hadn't noticed any problematic examples in other sports. Progressive Field's infobox I think should definitely follow suit seeing as the capacity is changed on a yearly basis. And I would say yes, use the final capacity for stadiums that no longer exist. Lizard (talk) 03:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Help needed with Treyboyd94[edit]

Hello all,

I need some help. There is a user by the name of Treyboyd94 (here are his contribs) that is going around and making small nonsense vandalism edits on seemingly random college football season articles. The majority of these edits are simple, like changing a single game in the schedule from a loss to a win (or vice versa), without changing the score or anything else. He made this edit on the 2016 Arkansas Razorbacks football team page, for no apparent reason. I reverted it and left him a message on his talk page, which I assume he has no intentions of responding to. If you look at his contribs you'll see a string of these sorts of small, nonsensical edits.

I was hoping that someone (who has more user rights than I do) at WikiProject College football could help me block or suspend this guy. Until then, I'm going down his contribs list and manually reverting nearly all his edits.

Thanks, PCN02WPS 13:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

This rings a bell, but it's a distant one and I am not remembering the details right now. But it involved an editor who made a lot of little tiny factually-incorrect changes to articles (maybe sports, don't remember) and little by little was degrading the encyclopedia. Very possibly this is a sock puppet - but if his edits are unsound then we don't have to go that far. I'd just follow his edits for a day or two, start giving him warnings for introducing inaccuracies (the series can be found here - I got it started on his Talk page), and when he doesn't quit, report him to WP:AIV, whereafter he'll be blocked. You might also go straight to WP:ANI, armed with a list of half a dozen or so recent corruptions, and see if you can get him blocked straightaway. ANI can be a lot of drama though. Anyone else have any thoughts? JohnInDC (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Spare yourself and don't go to ANI. You'll live longer. Lizard (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Well, I don't disagree. There seem to be a few eyes on this editor now and it'll sort out soon enough if he keeps it up. Less fraught than ANI too. JohnInDC (talk) 17:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
JohnInDC and I both left warnings on the editor's talk page. If problems persist after these warnings, let me know, and we can have him blocked. Cbl62 (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
@JohnInDC and Cbl62: Thank you both very much. If he starts back up I'll bring it to your attention but for now it seems he's stopped. PCN02WPS 21:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Stadiums linked[edit]

I haven't edited as much recently but have started editing again with the season upcoming. I have noticed on team main pages that the stadium is no longer linked in the infobox. I'm not sure if it's on all but a lot of them I've seen have seemed to be removed. Did I miss a format change? Seems to me a link to the stadium's page should be linked. I don't want to readd the links if I'm not suppose to.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 03:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why they shouldn't be linked. I'd go ahead and re-link them. Lizard (talk) 04:00, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I noticed this and linked a few; I have no idea why they weren't. PCN02WPS 04:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I've even looked around on past edits and can't seem to find when it was done or by whom. I'll add the links back for now unless I hear otherwise. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 04:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment – Sigh. That'd be me... 😔 When I updated the infobox, I combined the fields into one and made it so we have to link them. I was going article-to-article at one point to link them again, but decided that I would do it as I get to the articles. Apparently, I forgot to mention here. Sorry 'bout that! Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Fred Jones Jr.[edit]

I started discussion at Talk:Fred Jones Jr. about the notability of Fred Jones Jr., an American entrepreneur. Please comment there. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Collapsible stat tables[edit]

Hi all,

I need some help with the 2017 Arkansas Razorbacks football team page. In the game summaries section, under the collapsible "game summary" box, I want to have a set of tables where I can put stats about the game. (Here are the stat tables; they are the same as the ones at the bottom of the article. I'd like to know if I can make the tables collapsible so you can only see them if you click a "show" button (so as to not clutter the article).

I've tried several things:

  1. The Collapse template, but when I previewed it I was met with an error message that I had violated MOS:COLLAPSE
  2. Adding a mw-collapsible tag on the wikitables, which only collapses when the user clicks a "hide" button
  3. Just putting the non-collapsed tables there, which I could do but it'd be my last choice

Can anyone help me find a solution in which the tables can be collapsed?

Thanks, PCN02WPS 02:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I've edited the page and added "wikitable collapsible collapsed". You can change the "Statistics" heading to a different name or remove it if you want but without the heading, the show button will beside the "Stat" heading. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)