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WikiProject Council
WikiProject iconThis page relates to the WikiProject Council, a collaborative effort regarding WikiProjects in general. If you would like to participate, please visit the project discussion page.

Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
Q1: What's a WikiProject?
A1: A WikiProject is a group of people who want to work together. It is not a subject area, a collection of pages, or a list of articles tagged by the group.
Q2: How many WikiProjects are there?
A2: There are 930 WikiProjects and task forces tagged as "Active" (see Category:Active WikiProjects), and 305 WikiProjects and task forces tagged as "Semi-active" (see Category:Semi-active WikiProjects).
Q3: What's the biggest WikiProject?
A3: Nobody knows, because not all participants add their names to a membership list, and membership lists are almost always out of date. You can find out which projects' main pages are being watched by the most users at Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers.
Q4: Which WikiProject has tagged the most articles as being within their scope?
A4: WikiProject Biography has tagged about 1.29 million articles, making it more than three times the size of the second largest WikiProject. About ten groups have tagged more than 100,000 articles. You can see a list of projects and the number of articles they have assessed here.
Q5: Who gets to decide whether a WikiProject is permitted to tag an article?
A5: That is the exclusive right of the participants of the WikiProject. Editors at an article may neither force the group to tag an article nor refuse to permit them to tag an article. See WP:PROJGUIDE#OWN.
Q6: I think a couple of WikiProjects should be merged. Is that okay?
A6: You must ask the people who belong to those groups, even if the groups appear to be inactive. It's okay for different groups of people to be working on similar articles. WikiProjects are people, not lists of articles. If you identify and explain clear, practical benefits of a merger to all of the affected groups, they are likely to agree to combining into a larger group. However, if they object, then you may not merge the pages. For less-active groups, you may need to wait a month or more to make sure that no one objects.
Q7: I want to start a WikiProject. Am I required to advertise it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals and/or have a specific number of editors support it?
A7: No, there are no requirements. However, new WikiProjects, especially new groups that are proposed by new editors, rarely remain active for longer than a few months unless there are at least six or eight active editors involved at the time of creation.

Category Foo articles vs Category WikiProject Foo articles[edit]

I have a relevant question posted at WikiProject Categories. If you can shed light please comment in the thread at the other venue. Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

RfC about tagging redirects[edit]

Most editors believe that individual WikiProjects should decide which redirects under their scope need to be tagged with their WikiProject banner, and whether any content should accompany the banner.

For the two provided examples, Talk:Spin the Bottle (Juliana Hatfield song) and Talk:So. Central Rain (I’m Sorry), one WikiProject that can issue guidance applicable to this dispute is WikiProject Songs. — Newslinger talk 07:33, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Which redirects should be tagged with WikiProject tags? Should any content in addition to the tags (e.g. {{Talk page redirect}}) accompany these tags? ―Justin (koavf)TCM 04:42, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment: Discussion started on my talk page (now archived), then proceeded to a request for third opinions and the help desk that escalated it to a full RfC. Including Richhoncho and Lee Vilenski, from previous discussions. Examples that were actually in question include Talk:Spin_the_Bottle_(Juliana_Hatfield_song) and Talk:So._Central_Rain_(I’m_Sorry). Examples of hypotheticals that were not actually subject to the dispute include things like misspellings. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 04:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirect-Class is not part of either the standard or extended quality scales, so those WikiProjects that recognise it will have a custom class mask. There are presently 521 that have a custom mask that is in the subpage form, it's not easy to work out how many use the inline form. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirects with possibilities are maybe worth tagging with WikiProject templates, because they indicate titles that could be articles if someone took the time to make it happen. I can't see why any others are worth tagging, because WikiProjects exist to coordinate the maintenace of articles, and no other types of redirects are likely to become articles. If an article is made into a redirect and its talk page exists, the correct thing to do is redirect the talk page to the target's talk page (unless the talk page of the redirect has meaningful discussions or other significant history). Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:56, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I tag any redirect related to WP:SOCIALISM on sight. This is particularly helpful to get them into article alerts when there is a deletion discussion. --MarioGom (talk) 08:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
@MarioGom: Do you mean when there's a deletion discussion about the redirect? Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
@Compassionate727:: Yes. But you can ignore my previous comment. I have just realized that article alerts for redirects are determined based on the target page, so there is no need to tag the redirect itself. --MarioGom (talk) 14:51, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, I did ask Koafv to get consensus on this, this matter has been on 2 user pages, half a dozen talkpages and 4 WP pages including here and Koavf reporting me for 3RR where the response was ‘'This is dumb. How about just redirecting the talk page like we do for all other redirects? In any case, No violation.'

The real argument and discussion is not whether redirects should be tagged for projects as Koafv claims here, if it was, we wouldn’t have a dispute, but should misprints, incorrect titles, incomplete titles, unnecessary disambiguation and other errata be project tagged?

Our ongoing argument with has centred round WPSongs and I give you 2 examples:

1. Spin the Bottle (Juliana Hatfield song) which is tagged as “R avoided double redirect|Spin the Bottle (Juliana Hatfield Three song) and Spin the Bottle (Juliana Hatfield Three song), which is tagged as a song & with a WPSongs tag. Koafv thinks both should be project tagged, I say only the ‘correct’ title

2. Similarly, List of Doris Day songs is tagged as ‘unprintworthy redirect’ and is directed to where the article is, at List of songs recorded by Doris Day. Both are tagged for projects Song, List and Pop. I say only the active page. The redirect on the talkpage is sufficient. Adding and arguing with other editors there should be tags is pointless.

FWIW, If I thought it would gain traction I’d nominate a fair percentage of these errors for deletion.--Richhoncho (talk) 12:10, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

  • I think WikiProjects should decide which redirects they want to tag and for whatever purpose is useful to them. Other than that, I think the default should be that redirect talk pages not be created unless necessary. If the page does exist, e.g., an article that got turned into a redirect, the default should be for redirect talk pages to redirect to the target article's talk page. Levivich 03:16, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • IMO Levivich has the right idea overall. Groups that want to tag redirects are permitted to do so. Most don't, or only do for a small percentage (such as Compassionate727's suggestion of redirects with possibilities). If you're a participant in a WikiProject, and your group is trying to decide whether to tag redirects, then I encourage you to think very carefully about whether that will bring you any practical value. So far, almost no group has found any value in doing that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think it has to be up to the WikiProject. I'm sorry, I realize that's not a very satisfying answer for this specific dispute. See what other WikiProject members think. --BDD (talk) 14:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • It's still not clear to me what the benefit of tagging redirects for projects would be (assuming, as MarioGom said above, article alerts for deletion discussions will go to the projects listed on the target page). That said, I don't see any reason to prohibit tagging redirects for projects. It just doesn't seem useful... Ajpolino (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
    There's a couple reasons. One is to catch (generally) bad faith actors restoring articles from deliberate redirects. A second is for good faith actors who want to know about potential articles (R with potential). Mostly, I don't think people tag redirects otherwise. --Izno (talk) 15:59, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • It should neither be required nor prohibited, generally. Individuals can tag or not if they want, WikiProjects can tag or not tag by default as they prefer, but whatever don't edit war over it. As noted above it has benefits for redirects that are (or might be) converted to articles, it is also useful for redirects that are relevant to a specific project where the target is not - usually this will be where a target is broader than a redirect (e.g. WP:SONGS might be interested in a redirect from a song to an album but not interested in the album itself; the Cricket project may want article alerts about the Nathan Smith (cricketer) redirect but not the Nathan Smith dab where only 2 of the 15 people listed are cricketers). Thryduulf (talk) 13:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • It should be up to the WikiProject. I don't think there's much value in tagging redirects now that Article Alerts associates them with the tags for their target. When a WikiProject banner is set up to automatically detect that a page is a redirect, the class parameter should be left blank. I do think it is worth tagging redirects with possibilities. When redirects are placed in article categories following WP:INCOMPATIBLE, it may make sense to tag with an appropriate Wikiproject (e.g. SONGS for song redirects to albums). If merged article has extensive talk page discussion, it may be appropriate to leave a tag on the talk page rather than redirecting it to the talk page of the merge target. In my opinion, redirects that are misspellings, alternative disambiguations, alternative phrasings of descriptive titles, etc. should not be tagged. Plantdrew (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Interested in participating but not in creating a Wikiproject[edit]

I am interested to participate to Wikiproject:Management and Wikiproject:Standards or something similar. None of these Wikiprojects exists at the moment, but in case you would create one or both of them, please let me know and I definitely will participate, because I am collaborating in this fields on it.wikipedia and would like to do the same here. There are thousands of pages to create, especially regarding standards (e.g.: pages related to certification marks in the world, members of IAF, ISO and IEC standards, etc.) and I could suggest a lot of other activities to do in these Wikiprojects. Thank you. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Daniele Pugliesi: will do, but those subjects currently fall under Wikipedia:WikiProject Business and Wikipedia:WikiProject Engineering, both of which would welcome your contributions I am sure. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:09, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
@UnitedStatesian: Sorry to say the contrary, but Management is a wider and more diversified subject than simply Business (e.g. let think about Quality Management, Safety Management, Environmental Management, Energy Management, Time Management, Team Management, etc.), and Standards are not only related to Engineering (e.g.: let think to Certification procedures for products and services, Accreditation, Standards related to Management Systems, Mutual Recognition Agreements, etc.).
This means just a small part of "Management" is related to Business, while I agree a lot of standards are related to Engineering, but Engineering itself is not sufficient to understand what is a standard: it is necessary also to understand principles of national and international law, organization policies, etc.
I understand a lot of people are not familiar with these two subjects, but I can assure you that there is a lot of work to do on Wikipedia, a lot of pages to create and a lot of people are needed to do it (at least 5-10 for each Wikiproject).
Obviously, in case I am the only person to understand the complexity of these subjects and interested to contribute on them, I will continue to organize the work to do on my user pages. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 07:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Sorry again, I forgot that I had made a proposal about a similar WikiProject: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Technical standards. However I know how a WikiProject works in it.wikipedia, but not on en.wikipedia (I think there are some different rules, practices, etc.), so I need some technical assistance for creating the WikiProject (and participation). --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 17:15, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Daniele Pugliesi, if you don't have a group of editors to work with you, then you don't need a WikiProject page. Just go edit the articles that interest you. :-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:15, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 15[edit]

WikiProject X icon.svg
Newsletter • September 2019

A final update, for now:

The third grant-funded round of WikiProject X has been completed. Unfortunately, while this round has not resulted in a deployed product, I am not planning to resume working on the project for the foreseeable future. Please see the final report for more information.


-— Isarra 19:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Unify project banner documentation[edit]

It looks a bit confusing. It is hard to tell what is the recommended way to start (I assume {{WPBannerMeta}}), what is its primary documentation and which methods are advanced or discouraged. I'm thinking about streamlining this documentation, but would like to hear your thoughts on the situation, what the recommendations should be, and where the primary documentation for them should live. --MarioGom (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@MarioGom: What question were you trying to answer? It sounds like: "How do I make a project banner for a new project?". Or are you concerned about the guidance for "What is the purpose of project banners?" Ajpolino (talk) 17:43, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Ajpolino: None, actually. I have done some work on WikiProject maintenance during last months, and learning to do most things required me to identify well-maintained WikiProjects, check their code, asking questions here and there. I've noticed some newer practices are not documented or documentation is a bit outdated. A few days ago I was checking the guides here for other purposes (reviewing active bots for WikiProject maintenance) and came across the project banner documentation, prompting me open this thread. --MarioGom (talk) 18:13, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@MarioGom: Ah, I see. Yes, I had a similar problem when merging a project into WP:RIVERS a few months ago. Much of the documentation related to the templates and tools used by WikiProjects seems to be fragmented and dated. I'm happy to help update it! I'll have a chance to look at the banner docs you link in the next few days. Feel free to post other fragmented/dated documentation here and we'll work on that too. I'll have to look back to try to remember what I found confusing... Thanks for bringing this up! Ajpolino (talk) 18:24, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
This feels like the kind of project that would benefit from User:Redrose64's advice and/or recommendations about other people to involve. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Deprecation of the manual WikiProject Directory[edit]

Maybe it is time to deprecate Directory of WikiProjects (manually maintained) in favor of WikiProject Directory (automated). The manual version could be marked as historical and incoming links replaced with the automated version. At least once User:Reports bot is up and running again with the updates. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Directory for potential outstanding problems with the automation. --MarioGom (talk) 17:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Does anyone know what Report Bot's status is? If we could get the automated directory to note active vs. inactive, and project vs. taskforce (or filter by only projects, or something), then I'd be all in favor. Right now the automated directory is only as good as the categories for the projects (i.e. sometimes not great). I think the definitive list of projects for now is this Bambots hosted one. It would be nice if we could move to one list, since we're certainly not able to maintain three... Thanks for bringing this up! Ajpolino (talk) 19:08, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
I asked the bot operator about Reports bot a couple weeks ago and got no response. I was asking because the directory hasn't been updated in a couple months. Enwebb (talk) 20:03, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Automating this would be nice, if it actually works.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  07:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

New bot for removing completed infobox requests[edit]

Hello, my bot for removing infobox requests on articles with an infobox has just been aproved and any Wikiprojects that are interested in using this feature are welcome to contact me. It's currently operating on an opt-in basis to allow for customization for each WikiProject. For more details please see the BRFA and User:PearBOT/Infobox request/config. --Trialpears (talk) 22:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Join every wikiprojects[edit]

Hello I like to join the wikiproject council because I like to make Wikipedia a clean and safe place to go The Awesome Guy in the world (talk) 21:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@The Awesome Guy in the world: Welcome! There is no membership list for the WikiProject Council, so just watch this page and feel free to contribute to any discussions. Also I see you're fairly new around here, so welcome to Wikipedia. If you need help getting started, consider asking for assistance at WP:TEAHOUSE. Happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 21:17, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
@Ajpolino: I’m Not New here The Awesome Guy in the world (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2019 (BST)

RFC on overlapping WikiProjects[edit]

Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Request for Comment - 1 November 2019 - Is WP:ANIME subordinate to other projects? could probably use some advice from people who are familiar with the difficulties that arise when WikiProject #1 says "must do X" and WikiProject #2 says "must do not-X" about the same article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Updating link text for a couple mid-level categories[edit]

I wasn't sure where to pose this, and appreciate any guidance. Would it be okay to make updates as follows?

  1. Update the "Science, technology and engineering" portion of Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and also update [Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science]] so that the the subtopic "Science" in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and "General Topics" in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science agree on link text as "General science topics".
  2. Similarly, update the "Science, technology and engineering" portion of Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory so that the the subtopic "Meteorology" in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory is re-labeled as "Environment" so that the link text agrees with "Environment" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science.

The reason I'm interested is to ensure the information hierarchy is the same. Practically speaking, I'm doing some work on identification of topic mapping for some metrics (see phab:T234839 for some context) and one of the scripts involved in the process noticed the mismatch in the labels and for now I've just manually overridden the mismatch, but would think it nice to update the source pages.

@Ajpolino and Andrei Kuryan: mentioning you here for visibility based on the diffs in

I'm doing my work as a paid Wikimedia Foundation staff member, so I also wanted to check on whether this contribution would be okay for me to make under my work handle, if I should use my volunteer handle, or if someone else might be okay making the update on my behalf, as it's not exactly article content, but does speak to some level of curatorial judgment, however benign the terminology.

--ABaso (WMF) (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@ABaso (WMF): Sure, those titles are fine. Sorry about the mismatch, I hadn't noticed it (and I may have caused it)! I can't imagine it would be controversial if you made those changes with any account. If you feel uncomfortable, let me know and I'm happy to make them on your behalf (if I haven't heard from you, I'll do it later today when I have a moment). Thanks for posting here. Let us know if there's anything we can do to help! Ajpolino (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@Ajpolino: Thanks, I made the updates! --ABaso (WMF) (talk) 11:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)