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Frequently asked questions[edit]

  1. Why is the main article name Cue sport instead of Billiards?
    A. Because "billiards" has too many meanings. To most Americans it means "pool". To topically knowledgeable Americans it quite conversely more often means "carom billiards". To yet other Americans, and most people in the industry regardless of nationality, it means "cue sports in general". To English-speaking continental Europeans, it generally means "carom billiards" exclusively. To the British, it almost always means "the specific game of English billiards". Historically it has also meant different things, such as carom, pool and bagatelle games played with a golf-club like proto-cue called the "mace". Until the late 19th century in America, it mostly meant American four-ball billiards. And so on. This multi-level ambiguity problem means that the core article on cue sports as a general, encompassing topic needs to be cue sports, while the article on English billiards is at English billiards, etc. The term "cue sports" is generally not used much in other articles, where the ambiguity is unlikely to be problematic, as at Billiard ball and Billiards table. Also, "cue sports" encompasses a few games that are not billiards-family games but are played with a cue, such as some variants of the disks-on-a-board game, carrom, and the related novuss.
  2. Why is WikiProject Snooker a separate project instead of a taskforce of this one?
    A. For several reasons. It predates WikiProject Cue sports considerably. While this is not by itself the most compelling of reasons to remain separate, there are others. WP:SNOOKER's membership has very little overlap with that of WP:CUE, and participants in the former are almost exclusively focused on snooker topics, with little interest in the broader scope of cue sports, modern or historical. By contrast, while many WP:CUE participants are as theoretically interested in snooker as they are in Cowboy pool or straight rail, they do not have the depth of involvement and background to be principal organizers of the snooker articlespace, with all of its player statistics changing all the time; that requires dedicated snooker fans. This does not mean that new WikiProjects should be formed for every major cue sport. Snooker is a huge world-wide phenomenon, and is the most televised and most watched of the entire class of these games. While eight-ball and nine-ball are very popular internationally as well, they are really simply variants of pool more generally, and most practioners (and fans) of one are of the other, and more besides such as one-pocket and bank pool. It is a more diffuse area of coverage, and so WP:CUE itself is well-equiped to handle the relevant articles' needs. However, some proposals for WikiProject reform would eventually force WP:SNOOKER to become a WP:CUESPORTS task force. That doesn't look to be any time soon (nor even particularly likely) as of this writing (July 2007).
  3. What should I do about terminology in articles? I know we're suppose to wikilink a lot, but link to what?
    A. This one is easy! We have a large glossary of cue sports terms. That's a long article name, but don't worry - you don't have to type it. You can use the simple inline Template:Cuegloss, which works like this: ...if the {{Cuegloss|Cue ball|cue ball}} is {{Cuegloss|Scratch|scratched}}... will display as "...if the cue ball is scratched..."
  4. How do I categorize the player article I've just written, about a Canadian snooker and pool player, who is also a noted pool and snooker TV commentator?
    As with any article, put the person into every relevant category: Category:Canadian snooker players, Category:Canadian pool players, Category:Snooker non-player personalities, Category:Cue sports non-player personalities. (There may be more specific such categories over time.)

Historical info[edit]

Regarding the billiards article, I have been meaning to start reworking it into a history of billiards but the main source I would think to start working from, The Billiard Encyclopeda (Victor Stein, Paul Rubino) was borrowed by a friend and never returned. I gathered you were an "inclusionist" (as you so label yourself). I am the main author of Wikipedia:Notability (books) and noted your comments. I really hate the label deletionist and, parenthetically, have fought hard at times to keep certain articles others were arguing to delete but only because I felt the subjects were notable. I do think it is and should be self-evident that encyclopedia articles be on notable subjects. Anyway, let's work on this and not open up that can of worms.--Fuhghettaboutit 21:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah the history stuff is sorely lacking in most of these articles. Sad to hear of your Stein/Rubino loss. I don't even have that one yet myself (I think I may go Amazon it right now just so at least one of us has it on hand. :-), though I do have Shamos's latest New Enc. of B., which will be a good source for a lot of stuff. The article "templates" I want to draft will definitely include a ==History== section by default. (On the incl. vs. del./notability topic, I replied in userspace) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 22:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm GOING to get it back. It's just that the borrower is not reliable sort and, frankly, I was crazy to lend it out, but lots of whining does have its uses I guess. I have Shamos' encyclopedia also—you'll note that I began sourcing the glossary using it a few weeks ago. Most glossaries are unsourced but let's make ours better.--Fuhghettaboutit 04:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hope you do! I looked into getting one myself, but realized I'd have to save up quite a bit of money to get one. I can't believe it's that expensive! — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 09:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Tournament results diagrams[edit]

[Moving this over from the non-talk page.SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 01:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)]

Such as at 2005_Mosconi_Cup — where do these charts come from? — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib]

They originated in the Ryder Cup pages... The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
Is there a template for this, or are they built by hand? — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 01:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hop to it![edit]

Please see the to-do list on the main page (or directly at WP:CUETODO). The "Wanted" list of new articles (or at least sourced and accurate stubs) has been been prioritized, by an intersection of the subject's importance and the number of redlinks to them discovered so far. If you are more interested in maintenance than wholesale article writing, there are loads of other to-do items that may interest you. The to-do list is very regularly maintained, so it is recommended that you watchlist it (watching the WikiProject Cue sports main page won't watch the to-do list; it has to be watched separately). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Five-pins source?[edit]

The Five-pins article is now in fairly good shape. Please help us find an English-language (or even Spanish or French) source with regard to this game. Having only Italian sources (which get mis- or questionably-translated the same way by both Google and Babelfish) has left several crucial questions about the finer details of the game rules wide open, because the machine translation just utterly mangles the original in key places. Aside from that lingering issue, I think it's actually one of the best basic articles I've put together so far. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone know Japanese?[edit]

At here there are two pool-related movies listed, without English names showing, and I'm wondering if anyone can ID them so we can look 'em up in IMDb:

  • 道頓堀川(1982年・日本)
  • ナイン(2000年・日本)

SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 06:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Template on players' articles[edit]

The template {{Cue sports nav}} is added to a few snooker players' articles, e.g. Ronnie O'Sullivan, Graeme Dott. As the template isn't directly relevant to the articles, it would be best if it were removed. Christopher Connor 16:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

How is it not relevant? I do imagine that over time it would fork into some variants, like a more snooker-specific one with lots of snooker topics and just one row of "see also" links to more general topics, but WP:SNOOKER hasn't made one yet, so I'd leave the "stock" one in place until we get to that point; some navigation even if a little general is better than no navigation. The {{Cue sports project}} tag on the talk page is a different story. I think I did accidentally slap it on the talk pages of some players who are snooker players only, in which case it should be removed in favor of the WP:SNOOKER template. Some players have both because they are, for example, both snooker players and Mosconi Cup pool players, so both projects have an immediate interest in shepherding the articles. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 22:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It just seems to be only loosely related to the article. It's a bit like putting a template on ball sports onto a football player's article. Also, only a few of the players have the tag on them and others don't. Christopher Connor 11:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Haven't gotten around to all of them yet! Anyway, it's' the best that we have for now. I'm doing more templating than anyone else in these topic areas, so it'll probably be me that makes more game-specific variants of the navigation bar at some point, but others are certainly welcome to give it a shot. In the interim, better some nav than no nav! — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 12:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I very much agree with this reasoning. I think a navigational template should be used on pages that are actually referenced on the tempate, and not on much else. This also seems to be how other navigational templates are used. I would think that people checking out a pool players article are not very likely to want to check out some obscure billiards game. If they do there is a link to the pool article (where the nav template is obviously useful). And yes, I think that no nav is better than irrelevant nav. Havardk 16:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see some precedential discussion, if there is any. That is, if a consensus on this issue has generally formed, where was it formed? Right now, here, it's just one opinion vs. another, and that's not very guiding. :-) In my experience, I see both sorts of usage - navboxes that only appear on articles mentioned in the template, and navboxes that appear on relevant articles that are not mentioned on the template. Arguments can be made for either usage, but I've leant toward the latter ever since the auto-collapsing code was installed in most navboxes. The major argument against seems to be that people interested in X are not likely to be interested in the parent topic of X, which we'll call Z, nor topics A, B and C which are also "descendants" of Z. I don't see any evidence that this is actually true (and I know it is not true for me, as a reader rather than an editor, though of course that it completely subjective). The major pro argument is that navigation leads readers to richer, related content and helps them explore a topic, and that limiting navboxes to only the topics that appear in the template is both somewhat self-defeating of the purpose but also inspirational of overly-long navboxes (cf. {{United States topics}}). I'm not asserting an "I'm right!" viewpoint here, just curious if this issue has already been explored (at WikiProject Templates? In the Village Pump?) in sufficient depth that an identifiable consensus has already been formed and can be relied upon. (If there has, it should be added to as advice in Wikipedia:Navigation templates which is presently entirely silent on the matter. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
While I'm a passing member of this project, I'd say that this template doesn't belong on individuals pages. It's not directly relevant so it shouldn't be there, in my opinion. On the other hand, it encourages further development of cue-sport articles. Depends what you're driving at, but the encyclopaedic answer is to add it the template where it's relevant. And nowhere else.... The Rambling Man 21:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Webby sources[edit]

What's our rede collectively (and with WP:RS, WP:WEB, WP:EL, etc., in mind) on the value of citing and other bloggish online forums? One thing I've noticed about Featured Article/List status is that such sources generally have to go, in favor of "hard" ones. Then again, if the particular one being cited in at least semi-authoritative it at least makes the article more reliable in the short term. Hmph. I really don't know where I stand on this one. I think the anti-web slant of some of these guidelines is off-base, ironic, and hypocritical given what WP is, but sometimes they raise good points too. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 22:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Agree, and think we should only use it where we can't find a better source (and have looked). With that in mind, I am leaving it in for on the lemonade but removing it for on the snap, which already has three book citations.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds right to me. Wasn't meant as a criticism, BTW; it's just something I've been thinking about for a while. Like, the three-ball article is nothing but webby or otherwise questionable sources, because there just seem to be none. Yet everyone knows how to play. It's a true folk game. The week before I moved to Toronto, I played about 6 hours of dollar-ante three-ball in San Francisco. Some 4 or so months after moving to T.O., I end up doing the same thing one night when there were kinda too many players at my local one-table watering hole for eight-ball to be anything but frustrating for everyone but the two people at the table. The rules were about 95% identical. Yet no one's ever read them. I called Gino & Carlo's in San Francisco this week; knew they'd run three-ball tournaments in the past. Asked for a copy of the rules. "Oh, we don't have printed rules. It's like bar pool; ya just know how to play." ARGH. And most of the webby rules are obvious copy-pastes of nine ball rules where "9" has been globally search-replaced with "3". I dunno what to do at this point. I think the article's worth keeping, but the sources are so shaky and contradictory. If anyone gets a hare up their butt to AfD it, it will almost certainly go down under WP:N (the 'reliable' clause). Bzzzzt. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] 00:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

MAJOR annual pool tournaments -- yesterday and today[edit]

I was wondering if there should be a category for MAJOR pool tournaments, so that one could click a link to read more about the event.

Johnston City was a MAJOR tournament in days gone by, and there are others that were prominent in America.

Legends of One-Pocket comes to mind, Clyde Childress Memorial Tournament which took place in Kentucky each year. Glass City Open in Toledo, Ohio, which ceased to exist last year, but was an annual event. Hustlers Jamboree is another one. One can read about these tournaments in pool literature.

The International Pool Tour, though it looks like it may have an end soon, is another MAJOR pool tournament event, the biggest tournament purses, multi-million-dollar purses, with Efren Reyes winning $200,000 in December 2005 in Orlando and much more.

Today, for instance, a couple would be U.S. Open Nine-ball Championship in Chesapeake Beach, Virginia, and the week-long Derby City Classic in Louisville, Kentucky, each January. The BCA Open in Las Vegas, which is going on right now as I write this, is another annual pool event which takes place each year that attracts players from around the world. Do you think this would be a worthy category? That way the reader could learn about the games played, the rules, prize monies, who won, et cetera. RailbirdJAM 11:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Lets not forget the historic Jansco brothers' Stardust Opens.--Fuhghettaboutit 02:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
See WP:CUEEVENTS for list of needed tournament articles (add to it as needed). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Ronnie Allen Pool Player[edit]

I was attempting to initiate an article about Ronnie Allen, but notice there is another "Ronnie Allen" article, but it is a different person. However, they have the exact same name. How can I begin an article about Ronnie Allen the pool player, so that it does not cause any conflicts? Thanks in advance. RailbirdJAM 20:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Click here: Ronnie Allen (pool player) and start writing. I suggest after creation you add at the top of the existing Ronnie Allen article the following code: {{for|the pool player|Ronnie Allen (pool player)}} which formats as
For the pool player, see Ronnie Allen (pool player).
.--Fuhghettaboutit 02:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Or we can move Ronnie Allen to Ronnie Allen (footballer), and make Ronnie Allen be a disambiguation page. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure. All that really matters is that people searching for this Ronnie Allen will find him and there's no real primary topic here; either way.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
PS: RailbirdJAM, what happened with your Ronnie Allen (pool player) article plans? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Trick shot[edit]

Hey people I am working on trick shot and any help would be appreciated...if you are interested contact me on my talkpage.Vandalfighter101 11:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Certainly needs it, and I've worked on it a bit myself. It especially needs coverage of the major tournaments and their winners/runners-up. As I've expressed elsewhere to you, I think it's a good idea for now to also include coverage of artistic pool, but that clearly at some point should be its own article. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

2007 WPA Men's World Nine-ball Championship[edit]

Since the tourney's ongoing, I'd need help from you guys. :D --Howard the Duck 11:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Article is complete now, but it needs sourced for verification. Armbrust (talk) 10:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool new sortable tables feature[edit]

See IBSF World Billiards Championship; the "widgets" in each table column allow the tables to be inverse sorted. Very cool feature. Needs to be added to lists of championships, lists of events, etc. How it works is documented at Help:Sorting. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Carom photos needed[edit]

There appear to be zero photos, either on WP or on Commons, of anything relating to carom billiards. Not even the balls! The best we have are lithographs, usually of extinct games, from the 1800s and earlier, and a cheesy, cartoonish CG image of the balls. If anyone lives near a hall with a carom table, please just take a digital camera down there for a little while and get some usable shots of the balls, how the table is set up for various games (i.e. initial ball positions, if any are specified) and so on. Actually, I will see if I can borrow some from the billiard supply store near me, so I can at least get photos of them next to pool balls for scale, but I do not have a carom table and no hall near me has one. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I've managed to provide a couple of pics, but more are needed, showing the game being played, showing a carom cue in comparison to a pool cue, and so on. Actually, what we really need are side-by-side pics of a carom, pool and snooker cue, showing the length, a closeup showing butt differences, and a closeup showing taper, tip and ferrule differences. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have four different carom cues and many more pool cues, but alas, no snooker cues. I also don't have a camera so what the hell am I doing in this thread? I really should pick up a camera. Hmmm, I'll ask for one for my birthday. If I get one I'll take a whole bunch of shots at a carom room of varous things including comparisons.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Cue sport FA[edit]

Hey. As a (very) part-time member of the project, I was wondering if we could instigate some kind of FA drive? I'm 100% certain an article like Steve Davis would (with a bucket of work) get there. Let me know if you'd be prepared to spend some time working with me on it! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, but this will need to be done one step at a time. The order I would suggest is Peer Review, followed by a bid for Good Article status, then WP:SPORT A-class assessment, and finally Featured Article. It's really rare for an attempt at FA status to succeed if there hasn't been peer review and GA (A-class is less vital, but can't possibly hurt). PS: Do you mind I repost this to WT:CUE and WT:SNOOKER? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Of course. I've got a fair bit of experience over at WP:FAC with football and cricket articles so I know the deal (I'm now on 17 featured articles/lists). I'm seriously going to suggest we avoid a GA - that could take months with the current backlog. I think with my FAC experience and your cue knowledge we can go PR then FA. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
P.P.S. Repost away, the more the merrier! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Works for me then! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, well Steve Davis seems like a good place to start! I'll get going on manual of style issues and start adding/refactoring sections. I'll also probably add a bunch of {{cn}} templates - we'll need to be watertight on references for FAC to succeed. Let's kick it! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
We also need to identify some additional likely candidates. WP:CUE#GA and WP:CUE#B-class are good places to start, as is WP:SNOOKER#Article list. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm onto the Romford Slim now. This is exactly the kind of article which could help escalate the project's profile. All interested parties (particularly those with reference-able material!) welcome!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Those new to the FA process may find useful this step by step guide to it --Dweller (talk) 10:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Cue sports[edit]

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection before December 2008, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 16:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright compadres! Aside from ongoing WP:GA and WP:FA pushes, we should clearly focus our energies on the 7 articles so far selected for the CD/DVD releases and get them up to spec. After that, we can see what other articles are likely to be able to be raised to these standards quickly and get them nominated for WP release versions as well. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


As I dimly recall from at least forty years ago and I do not know if this is from personal experience or a description in a book of games, "61-Pool" is another name for a game whose "true" name I have forgotten in which the values of the balls sunk by each player are added together and the winner is the person whose score is sixty-one or higher as the sum of the numbers one through fifteen is one hundred twenty. I think that stripes and solids had to alternate, so that a player could not win by only sinking a few stripes. I believe the eight ball did not count, it may have meant either a loss of game or a loss of turn if it were sunk. I do remember that if the wrong type ball were sunk the player lost his turn and the ball was credited to his opponent.

I know the above is OR but it may give some one a start on researching the game.

Have fun.

JimCubb (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I have it in some old rulebooks. It'll get added eventually, but as it is essentially an extinct game, and one that did not have a marked effect on modern games, the priority is pretty low. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

T'other Russian Billiards[edit]

Is there a particular reason why the North American/Canadian game called Russian Billiards isn't given a page? It's not the Pyramid one. Is it contentious, too uncommon, or just not got round to yet? There are some rules here [10] though they are not quite how I've been taught to play. Dumbledad (talk) 08:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this was deleted long ago at WP:AFD because it was non-notable and recently invented. Just the fact that it has software-style version numbers to its rules is a tell-tale sign. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 08:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Are there enough articles on this subject to justify an Outline of cue sports?[edit]

Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

P.S.: See Wikipedia's collection of outlines at WP:OOK.

The Transhumanist 00:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. It is something that's been vaguely on my mind since you mentioned OoKs on my talk page several months ago. My main concern is that too many of our core articles are still in iffy shape. Same reason we haven't done anything in the "Book:" namespace yet. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 08:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation[edit]

As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

AZ Billiards pics[edit]

Unresolved: SMcCandlish wrote to this Mike person for clarification, but did not hear back. Someone else may want to try again.
This topic was moved here from User talk:SMcCandlish, as being more relevant here than in usertalkspace. Could be a good source of with-permission pics of living players!.

Hi :)

AZ Billiards replied to my request to use their photo of Strickland. Here's what they said:

>Use any of the ones that are credited to Diana Hoppe. Just make sure that you credit her as 'Diana Hoppe - Pool Pics by Hoppe'.

>Thanks, >Mike

Does that make it sound like we can source their photo? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MichaelJHuman (talkcontribs) 18:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Probably. Do you have a last name and contact info for "Mike"? If you get me the details I can take care of this at the image page (use e-mail - see e-mail link at top of my userpage; other people's e-mail addresses shouldn't ever be put into WP pages, even talk pages, since spammers can harvest them, even from article histories!) If you want to do the license tagging and stuff yourself, a good trick is do something like 'Mike Smith, contactable at the site "", with a username of "MSmith"', so e-mail address harvesters won't recognize it as an e-mail address but any human could figure it out. But anyway, I know how to source pics with the right licensing templates, so it might be easier for me to deal with it. You could just forward me a copy of the e-mail. Might be good for more than one of us to have a copy of it anyway, just in case!
Oh! Can you write back and ask him if this means we can use other photos (of other players and stuff) by same photographer? Their "any of the ones" language suggests this, but I think we should know for certain. That could come in very, very handy. Or I can do it; either way. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ? 19:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Charles Dickens on billiards![edit]

Unresolved: Source not added to any articles yet.
[This topic was moved here from User talk:SMcCandlish.]

If you have not seen this before (I hadn't), check this out. Who knew? And a rather involved and interesting history it is.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely worth citing, probably on several points and for several reasons in several articles, including Cue sports and carom billiards among others, and American four-ball billiards when that exists (for one thing it's good evidence that the game was known internationally by the date of his British writing). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 09:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Event pics available[edit]

Unresolved: Great pics can be used on several articles but have not been.
[This topic was moved here from User talk:SMcCandlish.]]
18 new pool pictures available on Commons from the Mosconi Cup 2008

hi, i know you are a bit interested in billiards, ans so i just wanted to told you, that someone, who was in malta an made picures from the Mosconi Cup allowed me to upload them. Maybe you could put them into the articles and make good subtitles here in the english wiki - i'll do so in the German wiki (my mother tongue as you might have guessed after these lines)... All 18 pics can be found here: commons:Category:Mosconi Cup 2008 Greets --De-tmv23 (talk) 17:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
new pics again - not sure if you used the MC pics for the english wiki (if you forgot i either remind or annoy you now), however 6 new pics are uploaded now from the World Pool Masters 2007. To be found on my commons profile page (2nd row the six pics left of the skyscraperpic) --De-tmv23 (talk) 23:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) These pics should be used where possible, e.g. to illustrate the events in question and perhaps some of the players' articles. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 09:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Picture were added to the article. — Armbrust (talk · contribs) 09:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
That's a good start, but Mosconi Cup itself, the other tournament article, and various player articles could also probably use some of these pictures. It's been very difficult for us to get any pictures of modern, active pros, so these are quite valuable for us. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 11:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
PS: We should use the gallery function to put all of these pics (that are not already used there) into the articles on the events at which they were taken, too. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 13:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Added all picture with Template:Gallery to the 2008 Mosconi Cup article, but the captions should be altered to better describe the pictures. Armbrust (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement[edit]

Resolved: Just a note

This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people[edit]

Resolved: Just an FYI.

Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, nearly all wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:

  1. supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, User:Jehochman
  2. opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, User:Collect

Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced article if they are not sourced, so your project may want to pursue the projects below.

Yes check.svg Done — Preceding unsigned comment added by Armbrust (talkcontribs) 11:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people[edit]

Resolved: Just a note; the cleanup listing feature is installed on this project's homepage.
List of cleanup articles for your project

If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here

Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages"

If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip

Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip

Ikip 02:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot[edit]

Resolved: Integrated into main project page and into to-do list as highest priority fix-it item.

User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects provides a list, updated daily, of unreferenced living people articles (BLPs) related to your project. There has been a lot of discussion recently about deleting these unreferenced articles, so it is important that these articles are referenced.

The unreferenced articles related to your project can be found at >>>Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Unreferenced BLPs<<<

If you do not want this wikiproject to participate, please add your project name to this list.

Thank you.

Update: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Unreferenced BLPs has been created. This list, which is updated by User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects daily, will allow your wikiproject to quickly identify unreferenced living person articles.
There maybe no or few articles on this new Unreferenced BLPs page. To increase the overall number of articles in your project with another bot, you can sign up for User:Xenobot_Mk_V#Instructions.
If you have any questions or concerns, visit User talk:DASHBot/Wikiprojects. Okip 01:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
This list is now active. There are currently 15 Unreferenced Cue sports articles. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 20:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Sports notability[edit]

Resolved: Just an FYI.

There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Emma Bonney[edit]

Resolved: Just an FYI

I've established the notability of Emma Bonney by editing the article to show that she is a multiple Ladies Billiards world champion. Over to members of this WP to improve further. Mjroots (talk) 17:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! That's our first female English billiards player article. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 06:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Important AfD test case[edit]

Resolved: Nomination withdrawn after 17 more sources found and added to article.

Golden Cue is up for AfD, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The golden cue. This is one of the very few articles ever written here on a cue sports venue (a pool hall in this case). Notability is the main issue, and can be interpreted either way. It's really a borderline case. The outcome may have far-reaching implications for such articles in the future. Obviously, not every pool hall is notable. But some of them surely are. Is this one? That's up to you. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 07:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Category:Cue sports video game stubs nominated for deletion[edit]

Resolved: Stub category was deleted. Armbrust Talk Contribs 11:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

A stub category which this project uses has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type allegedly doesn't meet Wikipedia requirements for a stub type, through failure to meet standards relating to the scope, current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type. This message is boilerplate, left here as a courtesy, and should not be considered personal in nature.

This stub type did go through proper proposal channels. I'm not sure why it's being SfD'd now; doesn't make any sense to me. It is a somewhat small stub category, but serves its purposes. The proposal on the table is to delete the category and upmerge the stub type to Category:Sports video game stubs. I have issues with that myself, but others might agree with the move. Comments, pro or con, at the SfD would be a good idea (few SfDs generate much commentary at all, frankly). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 00:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Important CfD[edit]

Resolved: The result of the CfD was keep. Armbrust Talk Contribs 11:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 September 18#Category:Pool venues looks like a minor CfD nitpick, but actually has very significant potential consequences for the categorization (and proposed decategorization) of articles within the scope of both WP:CUE and WP:SNOOKER, and the autonomy these projects have in relation to each other (for better or worse). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 01:09, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Cue sports articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release[edit]

Resolved: Just a FYI.

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Cue sports articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 22:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

List of World Three-cushion Billiards Champions[edit]

Perhaps others can help me at: List of World Three-cushion Billiards Champions. Multiple people are listed as that year's champion. I want to know if there were multiple organizations sponsoring titles, and what those organizations were. Most news articles don't list who the sponsoring organization was. Another possibility is that there were two championship matches a year from the same organization. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Cuemaker nominated for deletion[edit]

Resolved: Just an FYI.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Parris. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing[edit]

I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Outline of cue sports needed[edit]

Sports-related outlines currently under development include:

But there is no Outline of cue sports.

Can you guys beat the other Sports WikiProjects to completion?

To create an outline on cue sports, click on the redlink above and add this line:


Then press Save page and start adding relevant subheadings and links.

For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see Portal:Contents/Outlines.

Here are some examples of developed outlines:

The Transhumanist 00:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

CfD on Category:Pool[edit]

There is a proposal at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_24#Category:Pool to rename Category:Pool to Category:Pool (cue sports) and a counter-proposal to rename both the category and the article to Category:Pocket billiards and Pocket billiards (the original name of Pool (cue sports). The argument for the former is that it would match the disambiguated article name, and for the latter it is that using the industry-standard if less vernacular term simply eliminates any need for disambiguation at all. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 03:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Pool (cue sports) vs. Pocket billiards[edit]

This may be of interest to most participants in this project: Talk:Pool (cue sports)#Requested move. The outcome will affect the name of the category, too, which is already at CfD. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 05:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Bar billiards[edit]

Hello. I see you're looking for images for Bar billiards. I found some that might be useful on Flickr. I've posted them on Talk:Bar billiards. Cue sports aren't really my area at all so it'd be great if someone could drop by and give an opinion on their suitability for the article. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 22:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Steve Davis/GA1[edit]

Steve Davis is going through a GA review, and is on hold for 14 days to allow time to deal with the issues listed on the review page. SilkTork *Tea time 13:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 World 9-ball championship is ongoing[edit]

The 2010 article can be used as a template -- there are templates there that can be used as this year's format is identical to last year's. This event is at WP:ITNR so it better be spruced up or else its listing there may be revoked. –HTD 19:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Popular pages feature[edit]

I've put in a request that this project's pages be indexed by Mr.Z-man's "Popular Pages" tool (see User:Mr.Z-man/Popular pages FAQ). It generates a list of project articles by how often they are visited. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


I've promoted, after years of "not getting around to it", Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Spelling conventions to MOS guideline sub-page status as Wikipedia:Manual of Style (cue sports). About time. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (snooker) has already been there for ages. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 10:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Custom watchlists for cue sports![edit]

How cool! Bot author tedder (talk · contribs) has come up with some cool stuff that helps us out. It is now trivially easy to watch all cue sports edits from some custom watchlists. I've added them to the project nav banner (see top of WP:CUE, etc.), but you might want to integrate them into your own stuff (Firefox sidebar, whatever). These all even help find pages you should be watching but aren't, and to identify new articles you haven't seen and watchlisted yet, since "Changes to pages on your watchlist are shown in bold", and others aren't.

  • Watchlist for all changes to cue sports articles:

You can tweak the hideminor=, hidebots=, days= and limit= of course. This list is made possible by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Admin page cread by tedder's bot. It picks up transcluded templates sometimes; not sure there's a way around that.

  • Watchlist for all changes to cue sports non-articles:

You can tweak the hideminor=, hidebots=, days= and limit= of course. This list is made possible by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Admin2 page cread by tedder's bot. It picks up transcluded templates sometimes; not sure there's a way around that.

  • Watchlist for all changes to cue sports talk pages:

This one's just based on a category, and picks up a few non-"Talk:" items in there sometimes.

  • Snooker equivalents:




SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 20:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Problem at Frank Taberski[edit]

The article Frank Taberski has a severe problem requiring research and cleanup, in that the most significant fact of his bio – when he won his first World Championship – is off by at least one entire year, one direction or the other, between two reliable sources (the Billiard Congress of America and New York Times material) cited. It's possible that the BCA just has an off-by-one error, but the NYT archives are actually notorious for getting archival dates incorrect, and the PDF of their old article does not actually specify the year in the scan itself. So, this really needs to be sourced by at least two additional, entirely independent sources. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 09:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

AfD against Stefano Pelinga[edit]

Resolved: Article kept, after some work proving notability.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefano Pelinga could use some WP:CUE attention. The short version is that his notability has been challenged, but this was after the nominator deleted all the sources (poorly cited, but real). I've suggested that the nomination should be closed as out-of-process, but others may wish to have input on the matter, since just adding the sources back in doesn't necessarily make the subject automatically notable. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 00:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

New WPA world champions have no articles![edit]

Unresolved: Probably the single most obvious current player bios are still redlinks.

Badly needed new bios: Yukio Akakariyama and Bi Zhu Qing (2011 WPA World Nine-ball Champions, male & female respectively). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 02:14, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

If anyone has any time to write even a sourced stub or two, these are the obvious top targets for pool right now. (I don't, or I'd already be on this.) — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 01:35, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
WPA's own article on Bi Zhu Qing (not sure of family vs. given names):
SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 18:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
PS: Also missing are 2011 WPA World Artistic Pool]] Champion Andy Segal (USA) and 2011 WPA World Ten-ball Champion Huidji See (NLD). This is getting embarassing. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 18:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Let's see if I can find something for Akakariyama. Presumably it's easier to find something for See. I dunno if there's something that can be found for the women players. –HTD 18:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


I was going to create an article for the 2011 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship but we'd need a 256-player double elimination bracket. I dunno how that can be done (would a 16-player double elim bracket divided into 16 sections, plus a final bracket, work?), and I don't want to do what was done in the 2010 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship where it's like a maze. –HTD 18:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

That would probably work. See the snooker world championship articles, e.g. 2011 World Snooker Championship, for how some other big events have been dealt with. PS: See MOS:CUE; the event title should be given as 2011 U.S. Open Nine-ball Championship. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 12:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
I tried applying the brackets there before but it didn't work, basically there were rounds were there were byes; hence I tried splitting it up into 16 brackets: the winners bracket turned out fine but the losers' brackets were a maze. If someone is willing to slave on a 256-team double elim bracket it would've been perfect. –HTD 12:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Try enlisting aid at WT:SNOOKER; several editors there churn out complicated tournament brackets as if it's nothing. Beats me how; makes my brain hurt. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 05:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
If ever they create one humongous 256-team double-elim bracket, I think it's a buzzkill. Not only is it hard to use, it's also hard to read. Have you seen the AZBilliards' brackets? –HTD 06:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
They've figured ways of splitting it up that seem to work. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 06:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hot articles subscription[edit]

Your Hot articles subscription is complete. The daily list can be found here. Feel free to integrate this into your WikiProject page however you like by adding the WikiText {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Hot articles}}. Kaldari (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's how it looks (live):

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These are the articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days. Last updated 20 February 2017 by HotArticlesBot.

Wikimedians to the Games: Paralympic cue sport events[edit]

If you're participating or considering in participating in Wikimedians to the Games, you may be interested in attending the events below. They may provide an opportunity to get information to write a Wikinews article or to take pictures for points on Commons. If you're not participating, it would still be great to see people attending these events to take pictures for use on Wikipedia and Wikinews. If you do decide to attend, consider hosting a Wikimedia meetup at the end or the evening of the event, or even just letting HOPAU organisers know you are planning to attend. If you leave a message on my talk page, I can help you promote the meetup. :) If you need help with organising attendance because of transport cost issues or accessibility in terms of wanting press access, again please get in touch. :) --LauraHale (talk) 07:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Cue sports in South Australia
  • Wednesday 21 March 2012 02:00pm - 04:00pm Cue Sports Program - South Australia [11]
  • Wednesday 18 April 2012 02:00am - 04:00pm Cue Sports Program - South Australia [12]
Is there any info anywhere on what they mean by "cue sports"? I'm guessing surely snooker, but I don't know what else is popular and competitive in Australia these days – English billiards, "American style" nine-ball and eight-ball (solids and stripes), "British style" blackball/8-ball-pool (reds & yellows), three-cushion billiards? — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 06:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

New Template:Accu-Stats for citing their videos more easily[edit]

This may be especially useful for Glossary of cue sports terms.

One-off usage:

Article text.<ref name="Accu-Stats">{{Accu-Stats
 |event=2009 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship  |match=Kim Davenport vs. Johnny Archer
 |last1=Wych   |first1=Jim
 |last2=Ceilen  |first2=Michele
 |quote=Archer's force-follow left him in exactly the position he needed for the 9.


Article text.[1]

  1. ^ Wych, Jim; Ceilen, Michele [commentators] (2009). 2009 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship: Kim Davenport vs. Johnny Archer (DVD [NTSC], Cat. No. 349B-15). Bloomingdale, NJ, US: Accu-Stats Video Productions. Event occurs at 23:49. Retrieved 2017-02-20. Archer's force-follow left him in exactly the position he needed for the 9. 

Multiple citations: See the template documentation for two different options.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SMcCandlish (talkcontribs) 12:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Cuegloss now easier to use![edit]

You can now just do {{cuegloss|term here}} to link terms in articles to their entries in the glossary of cue sports terms if the term and the linked text are the same except for capitalization, because the template will normalize the case.

  • Old: fifteen {{cuegloss|Object ball|object ball}}s and one {{cuegloss|Cue ball|cue ball}}
  • New: fifteen {{cuegloss|object ball}}s and one {{cuegloss|cue ball}}

You still need both parameters if they don't match:

  • Complex: pocketing the 8 {{cuegloss|on the snap|on the break}}

If the same term is cuegloss-linked twice in the same article (or at all inside the glossary itself), use {{cuegloss2}} instead of {{cuegloss}}, for technical reasons.

SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 06:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

New template for extlinking to AzBilliards player profiles, 2000 to present[edit]

Template:AzB player. It uses the AzBilliards player profile playernum ID. There's not an index of them on I've found yet, but you can google for them with: "Firstname Lastname site:" (without the quotes).

Example basic usage:

* {{AzB player|id=6|name=Ewa Laurance}}

  • {{AzB player|id=6|name=Ewa Laurance}}

SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 00:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Andy Segal article has WP:V, WP:COI and other issues[edit]

FYI: Pointer to article that needs work.

A notable professional player (one with an article here) contacted me directly with the following, about artistic pool (and I've paraphrased a little, e.g. to add links, and to shorten/clarify some stuff):

I just stumbled upon Andy Segal's Wikipedia article. It seems very biased. Many of the alleged facts stated in that page are not cited to reliable sources and, in my opinion and experience, are not even true in some cases.

Only official competitions, sanctioned or televised, should be mentioned in a champion's bio. Mr. Segal is personally hosting several events a year for his own purposes, but they are not sanctioned by any sport governing body. The events use his own shots and rules, and only his friends are invited. The article appears to promote these private events, and seems to have been written or extensively edited by him or someone close to him. I could host similar things in my basement just about every weekend, but that would not make them notable. There is no value to most of the "titles" he lists and his page definitely needs to be fixed to comply with Wikipedia standards.

I'm in the process of moving across the country and have only intermittent Internet access, so I'm not in a position to do anything about this myself right now.

Further discussion should be at Talk:Andy Segal#Article has WP:V, WP:COI and other issues.

SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 04:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"Bevington Smuts" vandalism[edit]

Hi folks, You might want to keep an eye out for a vandalism relating to "Bevington Smuts". I have just found a handful of snooker players whose personal life biogs have been amended to suggest they are descendents from the "microscopic laundrette impresario, Bevington Smuts"...!! Mark Allen, Shaun Murphy, Stephen Lee, Walter Lindrum have been targeted over the last few weeks by (talk · contribs) and (talk · contribs). There may be more, but those are the ones from the two IPs I've mentioned.

Best wishes, and enjoy the UK Championships! —User:MDCollins (talk) 02:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople[edit]

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


The {{Cuegloss}} template was nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_June_26#Template:Cuegloss. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join a discussion[edit]

Through this way, I inform there is a discussion at WT:Disambiguation about partially disambiguated titles, known as "PDABs". This subguide of WP:D affects articles in this WikiProject, some examples can be found at WP:NCSP. There you can give ideas or thoughts about what to do with this guideline. Note this discussion is not to modify any aspect of NCSP. Thanks. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Flag usage on sports articles[edit]

A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thanks. SFB 13:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

TfD notices[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Two of WP:CUE's single-source citation templates have been nominated for deletion:

 — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  08:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Cue tip size[edit]

I've asked a question about the conversion of measurements of cue tip sizes at talk:Cue stick#cue tip size "Don't convert". I'm soliciting wider input as that was the first edit to the page since 2012 and it doesn't appear widely watched. Please comment there to avoid duplication. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

UMB website links[edit]

There appears to be a task ahead of those of us interested: the UMB, the governing body of carom billiards, seems to have moved their website from to, thereby invalidating every link to their site that we have in articles. As many of those links are to specific subpages, and the new website has an entirely different structure, a simple bot task replacing the "umb" in URLs with "umb-carom" is not going to work. Indeed, I'm pretty sure that many of the old pages don't have clear replacements. This is going to be a fairly large manual undertaking, and frankly I'm not sure where to start, being that carol carom is not a variety I'm particularly familiar with. In other words, I am unable to help with the solution, but I figured it'd be better to note the problem so others that do know the sport better can take a crack at it. oknazevad (talk) 17:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Blech. Hopefully can recover a lot of them, and site-specific Google searches can find where some of have moved to in the new site.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  01:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

André Gagnaux[edit]


André Gagnaux was categorized under Category:Cue sports referees and officials, which is tagged as a container (subcats only), but I'm unsure whether it belongs in one of the existing subcats, needs a new subcat, or something else. Slivicon (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Good catch. That category isn't ready to be a container cat. yet; it would need a Category:Carom billiards referees and officials subcat., but there's only one member to put in there as far as present articles go, named Gagnaux. I commented out the container cat. tag.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  01:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

DRV of cue sport citation template[edit]

FYI: Link to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 August 21#Template:AZBilliards

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SMcCandlish (talkcontribs) 04:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Kings Cup[edit]

Is the Kings Cup (being held in Manila in November 2015) a major pool event? -- (talk) 06:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

The use of self-published sources in snooker articles[edit]

There is an RFC relevant to this project regarding the use of personal blogs and fansites in snooker articles. So far there has only been one respondent but I would like to get further input since a large number of articles are affected: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Snooker#RfC: Does the use of self-published sources in snooker articles violate BLPSPS and SPS?. Betty Logan (talk) 07:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Cue sports nav box matter[edit]

Your (plural) input is requested at Template talk:Cue sports nav#Section order.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  17:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Blackball Pool[edit]

The content relating to Blackball Pool really needs to start again from scratch I think. There are both misleading and incorrect statements. The structure would benefit from a revamp.

I could help with this. There would I believe need to be more specifically about blackball. That after all is the title of the article. An accurate summary of the actual rules of blackball is clearly necessary... and a little less information about WEPF rules which, if wanted, could be detailed (linked) in a completely separate article.

I'd structure it roughly along these lines.

Blackball Brief Overview


  • 8ball pool and its introduction to UK from USA.
  • Development and increasing popularity.
  • Reasons.
  • Introduction in pubs and clubs.
  • Variations in rules.
  • Individual and team competition.
  • Leagues, then governing bodies were created.
  • Role of UK and South Africa in spreading blackball game worldwide.
  • WPA involvement.
  • Pub closure effects.
  • Pool Halls increasingly providing blackball facilities.

Blackball Equipment...

  • Balls.
  • Tables.
  • Cloth fabric.
  • etc.
  • Changes in equipment over time.
  • Differences from other cue sports.


  • 8ball.
  • Pub/Club Rules and variations.
  • BAPTO Rules.
  • WEPF Rules.
  • Blackball.
  • Comparison of rules.
  • Merits of WPA blackball.


  • Confusion.
  • Antagonism.
  • WPA Meeting 2004.
  • Purpose.
  • Progress.
  • Minor rules update 2008.
  • Organisations/events subsequently switching to blackball.

Blackball Today...

  • Current popularity.
  • Countries playing.
  • Live streaming growth.
  • Organisations running blackball events eg IPA.
  • Major events.

Use of Internet...

  • Increasing at all levels.
  • Promoting game and events.
  • Streaming.
  • Providing live results.
  • Custom websites.
  • Blogs.
  • Facebook and twitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackballuk (talkcontribs) 23:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Governing Bodies.

Past Championships Winners.


Best Regards, Bill Hunter Blackballuk (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Eight-ball variations[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Eight-ball#Variations not documented yet. There are several variations that may need to be covered and are not (plus a few asserted that are probably just regional WP:NFT material we shouldn't be covering).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  09:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Sang Lee International Open and Verhoeven Open[edit]

FYI: pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see split proposal at what is presently Talk:Verhoeven Open#Split (after an undiscussed move and questionable scope expansion to cover two unrelated events).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  02:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)