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health section on mongrels should be altered[edit]

altered to remove the line on hybrid vigor.

i have tried to edit it and was told i was wrong and sent to a part of wiki that was incorrect so now i believe i am in the right place but who really knows anymore.

i gave the links to the studies and the results TWICE

This has been shown in a recent study in June 1, 2013 by the Journal of american veterinary medical association[14] Where with a large study of mutts and purebreds it was shown that mutts have no less risk than a purebred does of genetic related disorders. It was found that mutts had a higher risk of cranial cruciate ligament tears than did their purebred counterparts and that while both are equally susceptible to genetic disorders Purebreds with genetic disorders were limited to certain bloodlines with the particular disorder.[15]

Populations are particularly vulnerable when the dogs bred are closely related. Inbreeding among purebreds has exposed various genetic health problems not always readily apparent in less uniform populations. Mixed-breed dogs are more genetically diverse due to the more haphazard nature of their parents' mating. However, "haphazard" is not the same as "random" to a geneticist. The offspring of such matings might be less likely to express certain genetic disorders because there might be a decreased chance that both parents carry the same detrimental recessive alleles, but some deleterious recessives occur across many seemingly unrelated breeds, and therefore merely mixing breeds is no guarantee of genetic health. Also, when two poor specimens are bred, the offspring could inherit the worst traits of both parents. This is commonly seen in dogs from puppy mills.[16]


http://avmajournals.avma.org/toc/javma/242/11


"June 1 Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA) researchers studied the medical records of 62,750 dogs diagnosed with genetic disorders during a 15 year period.

The study, titled, Prevalence of inherited disorders among mixed-breed and purebred dogs: 27,254 cases (1995–2010), Studied prevalence of 24 genetic disorders in the population.

Ten disorders were found to be more common in purebred dogs, purebred dogs had no higher incidence than did mixed breed dogs of health concerns. Mixed breed dogs had a higher prevalence of cranial cruciate ligament (CCL) tears than did purebred dogs.

According to the researchers, the study illustrates that for most heritable diseases mixed breeds confer no greater over all health. Heritable diseases clearly run in some pure bred lines, however according to the researchers, thirteen of the 24 diseases studied were present across the entire canine population prior to breeding for specific traits, and are therefore just as likely to show up in a mixed breed dog as a purebred.


Heritable diseases can be devastating for pet owners; knowing the history of a dog's lineage may provide a buffer against some of these issues. In-breeding has certainly led some breeds to have a high incidence for some diseases, and mixes derived from that breed can suffer from the same set of issues."

This unsigned and undated section was created in February 2015 and has not been archived. The editor deleted a large section of material then presented the opposing argument, rather than leaving the original material then presenting the opposing argument. Those edits were rolled back twice. No further action on this matter. Date and time stamp for archive now provided. William Harristalk • 11:22, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

German Shorthaired Pointer[edit]

The opening section of the article on German Shorthaired Pointers (GSP) should be expanded to include the German Registry and its name and qualifications for the Deutsch Kurzhaar (DK) breed. A citation that would simplify the expansion could be the North American Deutsch Kurzhaar Club, http://www.nadkc.org/index.html Basically, GSPs originated with DKs that were imported into the United States and eventually recognized by the American Kennel Club as 'pointers.' In fact, DKs are not truly pointers, but instead and unlike English Pointers, are 'versatile hunting dogs,' that retrieve on land and water, track scent and blood trails and pursue vermin, in addition to their naturally tendency to point at any game. The difference between GSP and DK lies with the registration programs - AKC in the US and Canada and the German hunting federation (FCI) and its DKV (DK breed club) which controls the registration of DKs. All true DKs are registered in the German program, which has strict breeding qualifications for brood bitches as well as for stud dogs. For example, to qualify for breeding, a dog must pass at least one advanced hunting test, be adjudged "good" coat and conformation (cannot have faults such as bad bite, gun shyness, incorrect size, poor conformation) and must have hip X-rays submitted to the German registry and been approved "Hip Dysplasia Free" as evaluated by the DKV (x-ray sent to Germany). Another odd difference between AKC GSPs and DKs is that, although DKs were recognized in Germany 100+ years before the AKC recognized the breed and DKs can be black and white, as well as liver and white, the AKC does not recognize black and white GSPs for shows and trials.

I have copied your comment onto the Talk Page of GSP, which is the appropriate place for it. Regards, William Harristalk • 19:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Famous Maltipoos[edit]

There's some dispute about adding a Maltipoo#Famous And Other Notable Maltipoos section and which Maltipoos should be in it. It might help if someone familiar with normal practice for such articles could join the discussion at Talk:Maltipoo#Notable dogs. NebY (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

This matter now appears to have been actioned, details on Talk:Maltipoo William Harristalk • 10:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Coyote for GA[edit]

I've nominated Coyote for GAN. Anyone is welcome to start the review and comment.   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  04:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Resolve stalled merge[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Miniature Australian Shepherd#Renewed merge discussion, for resolution of something that had consensus in 2013 and then nothing happened to implement it.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  21:42, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Of importance[edit]

Important discussion of interest to participants on this project: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Merge WP:VET to WP:MED as a taskforce/workgroup?. Montanabw(talk) 04:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Fictional dogs[edit]

Hi, amongst other things, i add wikiprojects to article talkpages, would like a clarification please, do fictional dogs and fiction books where the protaginist is a dog come under the purview of this project? a project i have added to some talkpages, Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats clearly states in its Scope "This project deals with the creation and editing of articles related to cats, including both real and fictional cats.", while this project's Scope - "The scope of this project is those articles contained in the Category:Canines, and any other articles which directly pertain to dogs." could be open to interpretation? thanks, Coolabahapple (talk) 02:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello Coolabahapple, I see two arguments here. On the one hand, "the goals of this project are to create, expand, and maintain articles related to Canidae and Dogs in general", and therefore fictional dogs falls under this goal as being general. On the other hand, a fictional dog is not a real dog and therefore does not fall under this project. My opinion is to WP:BEBOLD and WP:JUSTDOIT until someone has an issue with it. You might like to wait until 9 Novemeber, having left a full month for the receipt of comment, before progressing. Regards,  William Harris |talk  20:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi William Harris, thanks for your reasoned response, i will wait as suggested. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:54, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested Articles[edit]

I want to request an article that falls within WikiProject Dogs, but I'm not sure which category to use on WP:RA. I hoped that I would find more information on this page, but your section on RA shows only articles that are already listed for creation I believe? Could someone advise me where I should make my request? Many thanks MarpoHarks (talk) 16:33, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages[edit]

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WikiJournal of Science promotion[edit]

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The WikiJournal of Science is a start-up academic journal which aims to provide a new mechanism for ensuring the accuracy of Wikipedia's scientific content. It is part of a WikiJournal User Group that includes the flagship WikiJournal of Medicine.[1][2]. Like Wiki.J.Med, it intends to bridge the academia-Wikipedia gap by encouraging contributions by non-Wikipedians, and by putting content through peer review before integrating it into Wikipedia.

Since it is just starting out, it is looking for contributors in two main areas:

Editors

  • See submissions through external academic peer review
  • Format accepted articles
  • Promote the journal

Authors

  • Original articles on topics that don't yet have a Wikipedia page, or only a stub/start
  • Wikipedia articles that you are willing to see through external peer review (either solo or as in a group, process analagous to GA / FA review)
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If you're interested, please come and discuss the project on the journal's talk page, or the general discussion page for the WikiJournal User group.

  1. ^ Shafee, T; Das, D; Masukume, G; Häggström, M. "WikiJournal of Medicine, the first Wikipedia-integrated academic journal". WikiJournal of Medicine. 4. doi:10.15347/wjm/2017.001. 
  2. ^ "Wikiversity Journal: A new user group". The Signpost. 2016-06-15. 

T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 10:38, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Cão de Gado Transmontano[edit]

Hi, I could use help improving this article, Cão de Gado Transmontano. thank you IQ125 (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Cão de Gado Transmontano[edit]

Could somebody do the IPA on the name of this dog? Please. 7&6=thirteen () 17:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article would benefit from an addition of a section that deals with life span and health problems. I have not yet found sources. 7&6=thirteen () 18:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Cão de Gado Transmontano Name[edit]

We are in a vibrant and important discussion at the talk page of this article about what it should be called. I think the arguments, pro and con, are laid out neatly. That being said, we would genuinely appreciate input as to what this article should be called. Portugese name or English translations. This is wikipedia collegial, not hostile. No reports will be filed. No prisoners taken. And it is of little particular consequences to the article, as we will no doubt have (and already have) redirects either way. So please give us your input. {:>{)> 7&6=thirteen () 04:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

There are actually three cães (plural of cão) who currently have article titles in Portuguese on this English language version of Wikipedia. In addition to the Transmontano Mastiff there's the Azorean Cattle Dog and the Portuguese Watch Dog. In Portugal, the Azores, or Brazil, I'd call these cães or cachorros as they are on the Portuguese Wikipedia, but in an English language encyclopedia, I'd call them mastiffs, hounds, and dogs. Morganfitzp (talk) 22:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Kurī[edit]

Is there anybody interested in expanding the article Kurī? I have compiled a list of sources on the subject on the further reading section that can be used to expand the article but don't think I am up to working on it myself. I feel like it can get a DYK nomination with a fivefold expansion which given the current size won't be much. Thanks. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:10, 16 March 2017 (UTC)