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This page is an Archive of the discussions from WikiProject Fire Service talk page (Discussion page).
(January 2007 - December 2007) - Please Do not edit!

WPFireService Sidebar

I started this template {{WPFireService Sidebar}} off of a template from WP:Taxation. It needs some work. I encourage all WP:FS editors to take a stab at correcting it for future use. --Daysleeper47 14:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

A Barnstar!
Happy New Year!

The WikiProject Fire Service wishes all it's members a happy New Year! -Daysleeper47 14:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

UK fire service articles/FDNY BFI

Today, I started Kent Fire and Rescue Service - that's about 20 now out of more than 40 - just for England's FRS. When I started editing Wikipedia there were about four, so that's a massive improvement in a short space of time. If anyone wants to add to the mix - great. Info box at the bottom shows which articles are still needed. If you start a new one, don't forget to update the Fire service in the United Kingdom (see table), article with a Wikilink. While I'm here, I was thinking about starting an article on the FDNY Bureau of Fire Investigation, but I can't find any substantial info on the FDNY web. I have some experience of working with them in 1993 - but I need more concrete sources. Any thoughts? Escaper7 18:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think any article detailing FDNY Bureau of Fire Investigation should be included in the primary FDNY article. The FDNY article also needs to be cited in a variety of places if you would like to start that effort. --Daysleeper47 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, I've devoted quite a lot of time to the FDNY article which was until recently lacking NPOV. I'll try and look over it again some time, but I'm trying to concentrate on UK articles as that's where my experience lies. I think FDNY is too long, and that's the only reason I'd like to see a BFI article. It was the subject of a book by Peter Micheels called Heat which I could use as a source for refs. All a bit complicated by Fire Marshal (should it be Fire marshal?), see: [Talk:Fire Marshal]. It does have a sub-section on FDNY's BFI. The question for me, is if the BFI is one of only a few, (or possibly the only) fire department arson investigation unit, that employs firefighters, trains them as marshals and gives them a gun that's quite interesting - especially to a UK reader where firefighters are never armed. I've seen those guys in their firefighting rig at an incident then strip back to collar and tie to investigate the crime. Regards Escaper7 23:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
In the US, the armed fire marshal is quite a common thing. The 6 FM's in my department are all armed and are law enforcement officers. All Pennsylvania State Fire Marshal's are also State Police officers. Feel free create the article if you like, but my experience is that the FDNY BFI is not much different than those elsewhere in the US. --Daysleeper47 04:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

More on UK FRS articles: These articles are growing on a day-by-day which is very good. If anyone wants it, heres a link to use a reference when citing "a brigade was formed under the Fire Brigades Act" Good reference for historical dates from LFB. That Wikifys into: Fire Brigades Act 1938 or (1938) - it's also listed on Wikipedia. I'll change some of the existing articles as and when, but any help appreciated. Regards Escaper7 17:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

ps here's the stub for the FB Act: Fire Brigades Act 1938 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Escaper7 (talkcontribs) 18:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
And another stub please try and expand/use, it was the main legislation for firefighting ni the UK for more than half a century: Fire Services Act 1947 Thanks. Escaper7 18:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Image work

If anyone is good with Photoshop or something, can they make a copy of this image Image:Firefighterscramble.jpg with a translucent background to that it would be more appropriate for userboxes and such? The white background doesn't look as good. Thanks! --Daysleeper47 19:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll get right on it. SyBerWoLff 14:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

FirefighterScrambleTrans.gif Here ya go. SyBerWoLff 21:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)‎

german, anyone?

Hi, I'd like to ask if there's somebody who speaks german and would like to participate in the german Wikipedia: There's an article de:Feuerwehr in den Vereinigten Staaten (fire service in the US) which has been of mixed quality for a long time. I just added a paragraph on US equipment and tactics, but I have to admit it is all kind of second-hand-knowledge and I would be grateful if someone would bother to take a look at the article. Yours, 790 19:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't speak German and haven't run across anyone from the WikiProject who does. I will keep my eyes open, however. --Daysleeper47 21:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Children and fire

A cautionary example in Der Struwwelpeter. In this situation, the best thing to do is to stop, drop and roll.

Hi, folks. This is not exactly in the project's scope, but there's no better place, so: I tried to find data on children playing with fire on Wikipedia, but it doesn't seem to be covered. The subject is notable and verifiable and as such should be included. I think we should start a new article by the name of children and fire, which could also cover such subjects as trying to hide from fire. Some possible sources are here, here, here, here, here and here. Additionally, match-games have apparently damaged Marske Hall and burned Namsos to the ground. I'd quite like to use the image on the right. What say you? --Kizor 16:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Feel free and see what you can come up with. The title should be Children and fire. Please create a well cited article. I can help with some minor cleanup. If you need me to, just ask. --Daysleeper47 21:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Right-o. I'll aim to try it on Monday. --Kizor 22:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll try it on a Monday. --Kizor 17:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Take as long as you need/want, none of us can exactly complain - I mean, it's not as if we went out and did it ourselves, is it? And I still have various partialy completed commitments that require finishing. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 18:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Fire Department/Firefighting/Fire fighter/Fire Station

There has been discussion on the Fire station page about creating a seperate article for Fire Department (which currently redirrects to Fire Station). In the course of the discussion, we realized that there are several articles that are similar and perhaps should be merged. These are Firefighting, Fire fighter, Fire Department and maybe Fire station. There seems to be some repeated information in these articles, and merging them may be the best course of action. If you would like to see the original discussion, you can read it on the Fire Station talk page. --Tech Nerd 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been adding to said discussion on the Fire station page, and I think those are really the big four of a Fire Service project. However, I noticed on the Firefighter page that it's tagged as not representing a worldwide view. Perhaps we could trim it down, and then have pages like "Firefighting in the United States" and "Firefighting in Europe" or a more specific country. Also, perhaps firefighting could be merged with firefighter (maybe), and fire department could take over fire station. Thoughts? I don't know where to go. Also, with an article like fire apparatus, we could make the central 3 or 4 articles of the project? --MPD T / C 23:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Fire Department should "take over" fire station - they are different things. However, overall I think you have a good idea there, perhaps having one central "Fire Services" page, which would have a brief overview of the whole thing, then break it down into littler chunks - fire department (an agency), fire fighter (a person who fights fires), fire apparatus (the vehicles used by firefighters), fire fighting in fill in country, etc. Fire fighting could perhaps become the fire services central page, as it is kind of the main idea - fighting fires. Do any other users have any ideas? --Tech Nerd 00:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a central page for the UK: Fire service in the United Kingdom I would propose anything that specifically rleates to the UK being added to this article. It's comprehensive but could do with a few more images. Fire should be a separate article because it's of interest to scientists - in other words it's a subject not soley relevant to firefighters. The terms fire station and fire house interchange between UK and US respectively; the terms fire and rescue service (correct definition) and fire department interchange between UK and US. Regards Escaper7 05:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I like to add history, uses, photos, and designs of Japanese Fire Stations. Maybe the Fire Station page could have a overall definition like.... "A place where fire fighters rest and store equipment." Just basic overview then go by each nation how their station is built, designed, and used. I like to make it a worldwide page. I like to start add my data to the page soon. Is this a good idea to make it a worldwide page?
Rasseru (talk) 04:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:FD General Order: Article Assessment

General Order 07-01-01
From: Daysleeper47, Office of the Fire Chief
To: Wikipedia Fire Department

Effective immediately, WP:FD will start to assess articles within the Project. I encourage all members to take part in this project. To see if an article needs to be assessed, please visit. Any user can assess articles from Stub or Start classes, but B Class and above should be discussed on this talk page.

To tag an article, simply add |class= to the talk page Project template. It should look like {{WikiProjectFireService|class= }}. Add whichever class you feel is appropriate. The current list of article assessment classes can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Fire Service/Assessment

This venture is still in the early stages of development. If any editors would like to help, the Article Classification pages needs developed further. It should explain this venture and link to the assessment scale. Let me know if you can help of feel free to just start making changes. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks for all your hard work!

Requesting permision to be 'let loose' with the full range of assessments - I've been assessing articles with WikiProject Shipwrecks since it was proposed, and have been through hundreds of them, so I feel pretty confident in assessing without going here on a case-by-case basis. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 07:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Feel free. I have to admit I have been tagging articles B class and above without any concensus, so please feel free. The important thing is that we quickly assess them. We have several hundred articles in the project which require assessment. --Daysleeper47 17:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll add it to my already rediculously long to-do list, but I'll treat it as a priority if I can. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove


I believe that this WikiProject needs a logo, just like any other fire department. If anyone is good with graphics, let me know. WP:Law Enforcement created a great looking logo and I think we would benefot from something similar. Your help is appreciated! --Daysleeper47 15:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

How's this? Bobanny 19:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I like the image a lot. Excellent. Is there a way to remove the background so the image is only the maltese cross? That way when I put it on a different colored background, it doesn't look awkward. Does that make sense. I'm not sure I am explaining well. --Daysleeper47 19:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the background, but note that it's a white background now, rather than no background. If there's a way to have only the cross as the entire image, I don't know how to do that. Cheers. Bobanny 19:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
This new logo is really good, looks really professional.TellyaddictEditor review! 17:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Excellent graphic JSAustin 18:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the bugle should be straight up and down and the helmet straight across. MoodyGroove 14:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Junior Firefighter

I believe that this article needs to be seperated and expanded. The idea of Junior Firefighters is a general statement. But each kind has its own wiki-worthy points of information. Being a former Explorer, I have a good amount of knowledge on that particular subject, but as for actual Juniors, Cadets and the such, each should be expanded, or given their own pages. I feel that expanding on them would suffice, but I am new to this WikiProject and think this should definetly be discussed.--FiftyOneWicked 21:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

WWII Chief Fire Officer Biography

I have recently posted a biography of Cyril Demarne.Dylanmills 13:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

2006 Kolkata leather factory fire - help required for GA status

I have submitted the above article for consideration as a good article, and it was recently reviewed and placed on hold, with notes left on the talk page. I have worked on all the notes that I can, however one of the point says Find a good copy editor and have him look at the grammar, spelling, phrasing, etc in the article. I decided that the best place to find someone interested in copyediting a fire article would be The Fire Service WikiProject, so here I am, requesting that someone take a look at the article. Thanks, Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 19:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I know an excellent editor and asked for his help with the copy. I am awaiting a reply to see if he will help us out. --Daysleeper47 19:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. By the way, the nom has now been passed anyway, but it still has that copyedit tag on it, and the work needs doenor it will (I guess) likely be delisted. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 19:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

New UK articles

Ministry of Defence Fire Services and Historical Fire Brigades of the United Kingdom. Regards Escaper7 14:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Chief Fire and Rescue Adviser created 21 Feb 07 Escaper7 13:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 stub created 22 Feb 07 Escaper7 08:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

History of fire safety legislation in the United Kingdom Created 22 Feb 07 by User:Geotek Very comprehensive article Escaper7 08:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Ministry of Defence Fire Service stub - contradicts above Escaper7 12:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

UK Fire and Rescue Service Logos/Crests

Are there any graphic design/computer art guys interested in producing the various crests of the UK Fire and Rescue Services for inclusion on the Wikipedia articles? Adobe Illustrator art is probably going to be best.

Seeing as I asked first (!), if anyone is up for the challenge, can we have Greater Manchester first?! Hope so. Thanks, Jhamez84 15:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed move

Please can project members have a look at this and vote on the talk page re-name change: Category talk:Fire brigades of the United Kingdom [1] Vote here: [2] Escaper7 13:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

As above: History of fire brigades Escaper7 13:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


I just created a new stub, Cribbing (rescue). Feel free to add to it and expand it into a good article. Dragomiloff 02:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/1991 Hamlet chicken processing plant fire/archive1

Comments on at the above review would be greatly apreciated; I am currently pushing for FA for this article. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 19:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Pressed on to the next stage. Please now see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1991 Hamlet chicken processing plant fire Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 12:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Request to Join Fire Service

I would like to join the Fire Service please contact me --Bankman 02:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Wildfire

I created a new infobox for wildfires. Please find it here and tag any wildfire article you come across. Template:Infobox wildfire --Daysleeper47 19:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I have also added it to the list of templates at sister project WP:DM. Thanks, Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 12:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Image problem


Is there anyone in the project who is either aware of how to format images in articles or knows someone who is? Because a concern for a current attempt at FA (the one I mentioned above) involves resizing images in the article. While I have tried similar things previously, I always failed miserably, so it would be good if someone could just drop in and sort them out. The article is here and the concern is here. Thanks, Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 12:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hiya! I just finished fixing the photos. The proper syntax for images is: [[Image:Source.ext|thumb|right|250px|Caption]] SyBerWoLff 15:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I shall bear that in mind in future. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


FYI, New South Wales Rural Fire Service has beennominated for deletion. 18:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Merger

It has been proposed that List of historic Toronto fire stations be merged with Historic Toronto Fire Stations. Please comment on the Discussion pages. Yoho2001 10:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Famous figures

I added Frank Brannigan's bio to the project, and can think of a number of others that might be appropriate. I know I just joined the project, but I've been working on articles that are project-related for a couple of years now.--catseyes 21:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

FireAde stub help

Any help on expanding the FireAde 2000 stub would be appreciated. Need help getting it linked to the suppression agents alphabetical list page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NordicFire (talkcontribs) 11 April 2007

Cross-linking of trapped-occupant articles

We have Category:Fire disasters involving barricaded escape routes that includes some, and many articles (example: The Station nightclub fire) have annotated "See also" sections listing some. All pages' See also sections have to be updated manually when a new one is added. And overall, it feels like just duplicated work, with twice as much stuff to maintain and keep in sync (which it does not appear to be presently) and twice as many places to look to find a listing of Wikipedia's pages on this topic. Would it be better to do one or the other? Would category be the better choice (automatically adds pages to the page list) and then each See also section just say "Category:Fire disasters involving barricaded escape routes"? Alternately, could have a navbox template that contains the full annotated listing and then transclude it on each page. Only need to adjust it one place and it propagates into all pages, but the full see-also list might lead to a "list of events somewhat related by topic" growing disproportionately large on each event's page. Love to hear thoughts from others who maintain these pages. DMacks 07:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess this is partially my fault, for starting this off (although when I did, it was a maintainably small amount for a See also section). When I had 1991 Hamlet chicken processing plant fire passed as an FA, we decided at the FAC (I can't remember who's idea it was, you could check there if it really matters) that we should limit the see also to other fires which had caused significant improvements to fire safety, and create a category for trapped-occupant fire articles. I ultimatly decided to further limit the See also to similar fires as well, and created the category you mentioned above. Linking to the category in the See also section sounds like a good way of solving the problem. I wonder if maybe some sort of list article might be a good idea as well/as an alternative? More opinions needed. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 10:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, something like List of fires that led to major advances in safety would be a good place for that annotated list. Could even add more text there explaining what those advances were for each, not just where/when notes, good centralized source for chronology of it all. Then all pages would be in the category, and the See-also on all pages would link to the List page? DMacks 18:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Yep, got it, that's what I'd been thinking. See also, as a standard (this is just a draft proposal for a standard, others please weigh in with your views, but I think this works well, even if it is my idea ;-) should contain the following:
  • A link to the category (we could easily extend this standard to all fire articles simply by removing this critereon)
  • A link to the list
  • A link to any relevant article(s) covering related fire regulations (particulrly relevant where violations were present)
  • Links to the current version(s) of the above if different from the above
  • Anything else particularly relevant to the particular article, as See also sections generally do, to be determined on a case by case basis

Any thoughts? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 18:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Each fire's page doesn't need a see-also link to the category of "all fire-pages" since the page itself would be in that cat and hence the cat would be listed/linked at the bottom as usual. Conversely, if we have list-page for this subset of building fires, I don't think we also need a category for them. This personal-confusion aside, sounds great to me! DMacks 02:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I guess that's sorted, then. I've no time to actually implement it, and I dunno if you have either, but it should eventually be great! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Fire Fighting in Finland

Hey. I just joined the Wikiproject and figured I might ask you guys to take a look at Fire fighting in Finland. Perhaps you can point out any glaring omissions or any inaccuracies. I suppose we could attach the article to the project, it is after all a fire service related article. Pasi 11:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I may do some work on its history soon. --Brand спойт 20:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability of wildland fires?

A question from someone who's not a project member: I am looking to see if there's some sort of a rule of thumb for the notability of wildfires...meaning, when is a fire notable enough to have an article about it? Would it depend on size? Structures/casualties? It seems that there's media coverage for many of our Southern California fires, but not a lot of individual articles. For instance, the White Fire in Kern County, CA...10,000 acres+ was the scene a couple days ago of the almost-crash of Tanker 910. I've mentioned the incident in the Tanker's article, but would a fire this size merit an article on its own? Thanks! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 23:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Some areas are every year hit by large fires. I would find it trivial if every season for a selected area should be described. In stead these places could have seperate articles concerning the matter in general. For certain fires I would say the nobility is difficult to describe precisely. But as you mention there are certain matters to think through. As anything else I would say it is a matter of "general interest" - is it only interesting for a small group of people - how much can be written? --|EPO| da: 08:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Underground storage tank

I've been thinking about explanding this article after dealing with the "BP Next Door" discussion on the Charleston furniture warehouse fire talk page. However, none of the WikiProject Fire Service categories seem appropriate. It seems like there should be a category that covers fuel storage containers. HAZMAT if nothing else. MoodyGroove 14:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

I understand the HazMat possibility of underground storage tanks but am not sure where exactly to categorize them within WP:FD. There are no hazmat categories that I am aware of. If you have suggestions, I am more than open to hearing them. --Daysleeper47 17:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a generic HAZMAT category, which could be expanded as needed. You might also consider creating categories for USAR, technical rescue, EMS, etc. Just a thought. MoodyGroove 17:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
For EMS, see Category:Emergency medical services by country. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 01:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

International Association of Fire Chiefs

I created this stub today and added my name to WikiProject Fire Service. MoodyGroove 16:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Is there a stub template for the article? MoodyGroove 16:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
Is there a userbox for this WikiProject? MoodyGroove 17:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

National Fire Fighter Near-Miss Reporting System

I created this stub. Feel free to expand the article. MoodyGroove 17:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Oshkosh Striker

Need help, not much info available. Any info welcome. And expansion welcome on Fast Flow Extinguishers____NordicFire 1:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

PASS device

I'll try to get to this sometime in the next week. In the meantime, I thought I'd share these references I found while researching news articles for the Charleston Sofa Super Store fire. MoodyGroove 13:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health

I added this article to WikiProject Fire Service. The special report by definitely needs to be worked in. I had no idea it took so long for firefighter fatalities to be investigated. MoodyGroove 13:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Leatherhead Fire Station on AfD

Any interested editors plese see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leatherhead Fire Station. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 18:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Old Pueblo Firefighters Association could use Editor Attention and improovement as it is also currently at AfD. Exit2DOS2000TC 03:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Fire Fighter Fatality Investigation and Prevention Program

I created this stub today and added the article to WikiProject Fire Service. Feel free to improve the article. MoodyGroove 21:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Company officer

I created a disambiguation page for company officer (which previously redirected to Company-grade officer (military). The new page for the fire service company officer is Company officer (firefighter) which is very stubby, but needs to exist independently, in my opinion. MoodyGroove 15:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Arc mapping

Would somebody with some forensic electrical engineering knowledge take a look at this article and provide some reliable sources? 01:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Fire classes

Please review this article Fire classes for mistakes or merger into main fire article. --Voidvector 11:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Zaca Fire

Now that the Zaca Fire has crossed the 150,000 acre mark, I decided it was high time to at least start a stub on it. Additions invited. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 05:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Rescue squad

I started this article alogn time ago, and it has suffered greatly throughout its wikipedia career. I long ago lost the energy to maintain it, so i now appeal to this community for help. -Shaggorama 01:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wildfire article series template

In my ongoing efforts to organize the various wildland fire-related articles, and to provide better navigation for those interested in the subject, I've developed the {{Wildland Firefighting}} article series template. Feel free to add to it. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 18:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Notice of List articles

Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Wikipedia:Contents subpages (not by me).

This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 20:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Collapse of the World Trade Center GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles and just reviewed Collapse of the World Trade Center. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article if several issues are addressed. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues concerning sourcing and the lead that should be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I am leaving this message at this project page, along with the other relevant task forces/WikiProjects to the article, since the article falls under this topic and figured you might be interested in helping to improve the article further. The article needs just a few more inline citations and some minor cleanup, and if fixed, I'll pass the article. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)