Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Germany

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Hi, I've left a message on the German page too. I hope you don't mind but I thought I might be able to help with translating into English. I've only just started (Saturday at the workshop at Wikimania). I'll pop back to review the page as I haven't translated everything and I'm not entirely happy with it yet. However, I need some help. I think there needs to be more references and I'm not well placed to find these e.g. references to the dates given. Also a few photos would be great, especially as it's difficult to understand the concept of a high bank, if you can't see what is meant. Thanks.

Deutsche Schule Lagos?[edit]

I did research into the Deutsche Schule Abuja and found that it was the Deutsche Schulen Abuja-Lagos. Apparently the Deutsche Schule Lagos (DSL) closed. When did it close? Are there any news stories about this?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

The personal page is from a person who left the school after working there for three years. She is replace by a person called "Carmen".
DSN wrotes:

Die deutschen Schulen Nigeria (DSN) sind Privatschulen der Firma Julius Berger Nigeria PLC in Abuja und Lagos
— own description from December 2013

Simple translation: "The Deutsche Schulen Nigeria (DSN) are private schools in Abuja and Lagos operated by Julius Berger Nigeria PLC"
("Julius Berger Nigeria PLC" is connected to "Bilfinger Berger Nigeria GmbH". (Bilfinger Berger))
There are 17 teachers and 5 kindergarten teachers.
"Lagos" is not mentioned on their Website. The name of the vice school director is "Carmen Klaus" (maybe the person mentioned on that personal website).
-- Reise Reise (talk) 13:35, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I am aware earlier copies of the DSN Abuja website also mention Lagos. For example: - I would like to find a notice on the official site that the school closed or moved. Also I would like it if I found a visiting/street address and/or map/directions to the Abuja school. Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Nachdem bereits 2009 die Schule den Deutschen Schulen Nigeria in Abuja angliederte wurde, so schlossen 2013 entgültig die Pforten in Lagos - aufgrund mangelnder Schülerzahlen und des seit längerem ungünstigen und nicht mehr sicheren Standortes.
— DSL Deutsche Schule Lagos, Nigeria

Summary: The Lagos school was annexed to the Abuja school in 2009. The Lagos school was closed (due to lack of pupils and the unfavorable and unsafe location) in 2013.
The Abuja school is located somewhere inside the Julius Berger Life Camp.
-- Reise Reise (talk) 08:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the info! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Districts of Germany[edit]

Tinkering with this complex article and German administrative madness :). I am trying to update and cover all various district types as clearly as possible, without going into too much painful detail (at least in a first phase). Any help or suggestions for additional improvements would be greatly appreciated. These [1] have been the changes so far. GermanJoe (talk) 05:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi GJ. I'll take a look when I'm less tired, but at a quick glance your changes look good. This whole area is confusing not least because of the plethora of German terms, different systems in different states and the propensity of translators to render so many terms as the rather bland and unspecific "district" (including Kreis, Landkreis, Stadtkreis, Stadt in its territorial sense, Distrikt, Bezirk, Gau and Regierungsbezirk for a start). Then there's Gemeinde, Ortsteil, Stadtteil and Gemarkung, etc, etc. I have been collecting data on this with the intention of eventually proposing how we handle them, but it's a minefield. Gruß. --Bermicourt (talk) 22:19, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed a related problem at city-state (see talk), where the whole section "non-sovereign city-states" was deleted. I have reverted this deletion for now, but it shows how problematic the coverage of such terms has become - the removal would probably be a good idea, after the dependent articles, that link to "city-state", have been cleaned up. GermanJoe (talk) 08:33, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Assessment statistic in sidebar - display broken?[edit]

Just checking, if it's a new common problem or only a local issue on my side (XP, FF 36): Is the statistic table in the sidebar displaying too large for anyone else too? It displays too large and extends beyond the right box border. This layout change ("because it looks cleaner" /sigh) may be the cause, but I want to verify the problem before raising a stink. GermanJoe (talk) 03:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks like the mentioned change is really the cause. Oh well, hopefully the change will be reverted. I don't feel knowledgeable enough to fix the sidebar design itself, but an easy improvement would be to give it slightly more room; most transcluding pages have space in that area, so it should be possible to make the sidebar slightly wider without breaking too many affected sub-pages (the table transcludes to 11 pages). Thoughts? GermanJoe (talk) 04:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hildebrand Gurlitt[edit]

I had to remove "Purchase and hiding of art works" from this article as copy/paste from the source article (ref #18). If any English-speaker is interested and knows a bit about that incident, it would be great to paraphrase 3-4 sentences of the source's main information for this section - or I'll try a draft in "German-English" later ;). GermanJoe (talk) 12:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Quality (or Class) assessment of Maria Radner[edit]

Hello WikiProject Germany. I am not quite sure if this is the place to request article assessment. I am asking a member of they could give assessment to Maria Radner, a female opera singer who recently died in the Germanwings Flight 9525 plane crash. On her talk page, I assessed the article as "C-class" for WikiProject Germany, but the talk page says "This article has not yet been checked against the criteria for B-Class status", and I was wondering if somebody with WikiProject Germany could see if her article (Maria Radner) qualified for "B-class".

Thank you very much Germany Wikipedia~! CookieMonster755 (talk) 18:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Local elections - Kommunalwahlen[edit]

A new section in Elections_in_Germany#Local_elections tries to summarize some information about German Kommunalwahlen, in case anyone wants to improve it or needs the link for a town article. Not sure, if local elections have been covered elsewhere (didn't find it), but it fits in the general overview of elections as well. GermanJoe (talk) 13:50, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting stuff. With apologies for addressing the question you did not ask, the biggest gap on that page, for me, concerns Elections in the DDR. Elsewhere there are a couple of whistle stop summary of the rules - eg at the start of East German general election, 1950, and for regional elections before 1952 some nice summaries of results (albeit only in German wiki) such as this one: Landtagswahlen in der DDR 1950. But a nice summary of how the system worked at Elections_in_Germany would fill a sad hole .... if anyone with access to suitable sources can generate the necessary combination of inspiration and energy. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:German Reich[edit]

I could use some opinions and/or assistance on this template, as the deletion of "Fourth Reich" was reverted again. The inclusion of such a fringe-theory (and that is putting it politely) and the mixing of real and purely fictional concepts to push a certain PoV is clearly against WP:NPOV and WP:OR. The addition of "hypothetical" does not fix that fundamental flaw - this approach is similar to putting unicorns in a horse-related template and adding (mythical) as qualifier. Enough rambling of my opinion - any other comments please? GermanJoe (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

"Fourth Reich" is a concept which means different things to different people and should not be confused with the actual historical "Reichs", so it doesn't sit easily within this template. However, I think there should be some sort of link between those historical articles and the "Fourth Reich" article, so a legitimate question is what is the best way to do that? Disambiguation page? "See also" section links? --Bermicourt (talk) 15:17, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I agree, that links to related topics should be preserved or added. As a suggestion: the term Fourth Reich would better fit into Template:Nazism in "Related topics". That would automatically add a link from Nazi Germany, Neo-Nazism and Greater Germanic Reich. Other articles already contain links to the "real" Reichs (Template:German Reich is almost redundant to Template:Empires), the fringe-theory of a Fourth Reich is not related to those historical topics and should be avoided. In cases, where an article is really related to "Fourth Reich" in some meaningful way, mentioning and linking this term in the main text would be preferable to show the term in clear context. Looking at WP:NAVBOX the current template mixes fact and fiction, and fails #1 (no coherent subject) and #3 (no reasonable relations between all affected articles) of a "good" template. GermanJoe (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


I've started to translate more of the German version of this page to English. Unfinished, but more there now than before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkingscott (talkcontribs) 17:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Legal corruption in Germany[edit]

Can someone look at U rob me's edits on Corruption as well as the discussion on their and the article's talk page? I don't know if it's a language issue but "Resounding efficiency in fostering corruption of private corporations against other countries was achieved in Germany after the EC southern expansion. Along with the establishment of the European Single Market, 1993 the legalization of foreign corruption..." reads very strangely. --NeilN talk to me 01:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[edit]

Hello. Unfortunately, the linked article in the headline has completely the wrong description and content. Roller Derby Germany (Roller Derby Deutschland - short RDD) is not the national team of Roller Derby, it is the "governing body" of Roller Derby in Germany - the German association of Roller Derby and a part of the DRIV (Deutscher Rollsport und Inlineverband). Maybe sth got misunderstood by translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Translation of Rheinkreis[edit]

The translation of "Rheinkreis" is "Rhine district", not "Circle of Rhine". "Circle of Rhine" is meaningless. People capable of translating "Rheinkreis" with "Circle of Rhine" should not be working on translating German articles into English for Wikipedia. In geographical contexts the English word for "Kreis" is "district". Cf. Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13 April 2015

It is not quite that simple with historical terms. In historical contexts, the English word "circle" (Latin circulus) is used for an administrative unit of certain countries. You will also find this meaning in English dictionaries. --Boson (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
The usage is OK (sourced by 2 contemporary historical references in the article). But a brief explanatory footnote or a link to a detailing sub-article about the term would probably be useful for casual readers. GermanJoe (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp FAR[edit]

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Max Sievers[edit]

There is an allegation of bias against this entry (which seems to be a selective translation of the German wiki-entry). The allegation has sat there since 2011 and seems to have frozen the entry in aspic because no one wants to bother with building it into something more substantial until the allegation has been addressed and sorted.

Can someone smarter than I am please take a look at the entry, figure out what the allegation of bias is all about, and then (yes, this is the other difficult bit) find a source to add a couple of lines in the text that give the alternative perspective.

There are several online sources identified in the German language equivalent entry, which is good, but the ones I click on all seem to go to webpages that no longer exist which is bad. It's enough to make you want to read a book.

Thanks for any one with time and inclination to follow up on this. Regards Charles01 (talk) 20:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Germany MILHIST articles - assessment[edit]

Hello, assessing a lot of Germany-related articles lately I was wondering, if WP:GER and WP:MILHIST couldn't help each other with that task. Both projects have a significant overlap in their scope and project members in one project could simply copy most of their assessment info to the second project banner as well. Of course the assessment criteria have some minor differences (most notably in C-Class assessment), but by and large the assessments are similar enough to allow a cooperation and reduce redundant, duplicate work. Our current guidelines allow for all interested Wikipedians to do WP:Germany assessments anyway. What do other project members think about this idea? (a parallel request for feedback is currently discussed here at MILHIST too.) GermanJoe (talk) 15:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

If people are interested in both areas and want to do assessments from both sets of perspectives, I don't see what there is to stop them doing it already. What exactly is it that you want to change?
Another thought arising: I'm acutely aware that a large slice of the history that the kids (and general media users) in the UK and US get taught already covers World War II in relation to Germany - I'm tempted to say disproportionately. At school level, lots of kids in England study only the Hitler years in Germany (1933-1945 but chiefly 1939-1945) and what happened under Henry VIII in England (1509-1547, but chiefly he 1530s). To be sure, they're both very important periods and subjects. But studied superficially and out of the context of all the things that happened outside the little capsules of dates, events and interpretations being studied, the aforementioned kids get a pretty strange view of history. By somehow conflating "military history" and "German history" in a more structured way in wikipedia, I guess there is a risk of exacerbating those distortions. Still, it's an idea worthy of consideration. Or? Success Charles01 (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
To your first point. You are correct, in practice nothing big would really change. But it seems like many editors may not be aware of the possibility of doing other project's assessments, so it wouldn't hurt to make that idea more popular. It would also be worthwhile to clarify the difference in C-class assessment and to check, if anyone is against that handling in general (as many possibly don't even know of this option).
To your second point, I completely agree. Military history is an essential topic of course, but non-military topics could often use more coverage to provide a full historical picture. My suggestion is not about conflating the projects' scopes, it is only for articles, which are currently tagged as both Germany- and MILHIST-related anyway. GermanJoe (talk) 17:13, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Christian Lerch[edit]

Dear Germany experts: Here's a draft which has references in German. I suspect that many of them are press releases or closely connected, but I can't tell. Is this a notable subject? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

The references in the draft look poor but the subject is clearly notable as actor and screenwriter. Agathoclea (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Quick question regarding "Hillary Clinton" in Germany[edit]

At Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request, a German editor supporting the move proposed that Hillary Clinton is generally known as "Hillary Clinton" by people in Germany, not as "Hillary Rodham Clinton". Another editor questioned that on the basis that the German Wikipedia article is at de:Hillary Rodham Clinton, having been moved there one week ago after a surprisingly short discussion for such an important topic. Since most other major languages use "Hillary Clinton" or the alphabetic equivalent (e.g. af:Hillary Clinton, da:Hillary Clinton, fr:Hillary Clinton, it:Hillary Clinton, no:Hillary Clinton, ru:Клинтон, Хиллари, sv:Hillary Clinton), I was wondering whether this is reflective of the name the person is usually known as (i.e. the WP:COMMONNAME) in German? Cheers! bd2412 T 15:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

List of German archives[edit]

The German WP page [2] is much longer than the en:WP one at List of archives in Germany.

Translation/transfer over anyone? ([3] can be used if required.) Jackiespeel (talk) 16:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Georg Forster FAR[edit]

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Holy Roman Empire versus Germany[edit]

See this discussion on how to use the category structure for Category:Centuries in Germany versus Category:Centuries in the Holy Roman Empire in the best way. Please share your thoughts. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Needed articles[edit]

During my visit to Berlin, I've identified a few missing articles about local sites, memorials, art, etc. I hope to create some of these articles myself but of course would welcome help from project members. There may be articles at German Wikipedia, but it would help if Wikipedia had English-language equivalents for the following:

Some articles may also benefit from English translations? Again, all assistance is welcome. ---Another Believer (Talk) 07:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Typo in Commons category fixed - that pig is called "Eber" in German :). GermanJoe (talk) 10:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting! I am going to try to tackle these slowly but surely. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Article "Germany"[edit]

The article Germany is being updated. Just some general fixes to standardize text, update numbers, names, etc. The article is protected, so if you're interested in helping out.... There is a list of tasks on the talk page, but this list is not inclusive of all the tasks needed. One of the items in need is a review of the population figures. Do these automatically update if the template is updated (despite all my years on projects, I'm woefully ignorant). auntieruth (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

"Varieties of German"[edit]

The usage and primary topic of Varieties of German is under discussion, see talk:German dialects -- (talk) 05:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Ingeborg Rapoport, a German neonatologist, Holocaust survivor, and the oldest person to receive a PhD in 2015.[edit]

Hello. I have created an article about Ingeborg Rapoport, a German neonatologist, Holocaust survivor, and the oldest person to receive a PhD in 2015. I was wondering if someone at this WikiProject would like to create a page about her thesis supervisor, Rudolf Degkwitz. The German Wikipedia has an article about him, and also about his son. However, not everything is referenced, and I think it's important to add in-line references everywhere on the English Wikipedia at least. I don't speak German, and I am hoping some of you do and are interested. I could simply copy and paste the automatic translations, but I think it requires a bit more work (including finding more references, ideally a picture). I was also wondering if there was a page about the dean at the University of Hamburg who was a fanatical Nazi supporter? Was he tried at Nuremberg? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Vincent Klink[edit]

All the references are in German, looks like they're probably notable, but I cannot tell for sure. Please could someone advise me? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

And this one too, please: Draft:Patrick Bebelaar. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

First mosque?[edit]

Please see discussion at Talk:Islam in Germany#First mosque? Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Kingdom of Germany: proposal to split article[edit]

See this proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)