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German Cross-language Editing and Learning Exchange[edit]

So far I have been the only person to sign up for the German Cross-language Editing and Learning Exchange project. If anyone else is learning German and interested in practicing, please consider joining the project. If anyone is already fluent in German, I would appreciate it if they could proofread my proposed message on the project's talk page. Thanks! --Hampton11235 (talk) 03:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Please change the title of the page 'Max Planck Institute for Intellectual Property and Competition Law' to 'Max Planck Institute for Innovation and Competition'[edit]

{{subst:Max Planck Institute for Intellectual Property and Competition Law|Max Planck Institute for Innovation and Competition|reason= The name of the institute has been changed recently. This can be verified from the homepage of the institute-}}

This has been taken care of. —Kusma (t·c) 08:57, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Make English versions of critical articles related to Germany to help Syrian refugees?[edit]

At de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Superbass#Ideas_for_serving_Syrian_refugees_in_Germany I was discussing possible Wikipedia articles that can help Syrian refugees living in Germany. He suggested that Arabic versions of the following can be made:

de:Asylrecht (Germany, Switzerland, Austria), de:Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz, de:Aufenthaltstitel, de:Aufenthaltsgesetz or de:Duldung (Aufenthaltsrecht).

I suggested that it may be good to have English versions made first. Fewer Arabic speakers speak German, so we could have English articles made and then an Arabic speaker who knows English can translate that into German. Then English would be the "intermediate languge" between German and Arabic. (I also contacted User:Tarawneh who knows Jordanians who studied in Germany, and maybe one of them can directly translate material from German to Arabic) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Princess Johanna of Hesse and by Rhine[edit]

Should this article be given a new name? I'm asking for help because I don't think that Johanna had either the title of Princess or the style Her Grand Ducal Highness as there was no Grand Duchy of Hesse and her lifetime was during the notoriously anti-Kaiserreich Hitler regime. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 13:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


If anyone reading this finds translation interesting/educational/therapeutic (or some combination thereof), and if you periodically get bored with your own "to do" list, there's a list here that gets updated each month.

Of course, you could also join the project in question and enter your own proposed candidates for translation, but as far as I can figure out that's not mandatory. Happily, Wikipedia doesn't really "do" mandatory, I think (though one or two of the rules and guidelines sometimes come close), and if ....

Thanks for thinking about it (translation). If you did. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:49, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Flick Affair article[edit]

I will be working on the Flick article as part of a Wikipedia class assignment in college. I am open for criticism and new ideas if anybody is interested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikinils24 (talkcontribs) 18:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Template talk:German Federal States[edit]

I have started a post about the current layout of Template:German Federal States after a recent major re-design - not for an immediate revert, but to discuss the Pros and Cons of the new and the old version. Personally I like the old version better, but that's not a persuasive argument on its own :). Please join in and add your opinion. GermanJoe (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The discussion to select between 2 different map layouts has been revived. I am involved, so this is simply meant as neutral notification for more feedback from interested editors. Technical assistance from map editors would also be greatly appreciated. GermanJoe (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

See Draft:The Gruener Strom Label e.V. Association. Thank you, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 22:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

German Peasants' War[edit]

I've been reading the article German Peasants' War, and I've come across a few things that need attention.

1) At the end of the third paragraph in German Peasants' War#Lesser nobility is the following sentence:

  • At odds with all other estaments in Germany, the lesser nobility was the least disposed to change.

I don't think "estaments" is an English word. I thought perhaps it should be "estimates", but that doesn't make much sense, either. It is making a distinction between the lesser nobility and all other classes, or groups, in Germany at the time. Perhaps "estates", or "classes", "groups", "sectors of society"?

  • I have never heard the word "estament" and when I google it I don't get an appropriate meaning. I've substituted "classes" which maybe picks up on the analysis behind the phrase. Any plausible sense is preferable to nonsense. BUT it should be a very simple matter for someone to look at the book cited and see what the fellow to whom the sentiment is attributed actually wrote. I don't have the book, however. Anyone?....(and please) Charles01 (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

2) At the end of the first paragraph in German Peasants' War#Clergy is the following sentence:

  • However, Renaissance humanism was still strongly connected with the Church (and some popes) and churches, its proponents had gone to Church schools.

As you can see, there is something wrong with this sentence, but since I don't know the history, I'm not sure how to fix it.

  • In the sixteenth century almost all education came from the church. By the time of Engels, Enlightenment thinking had challenged the church's monopoly on education/knowledge and the power hungry state was increasingly making a grab for the education of the people, thereby diminishing the influence of religion. In our own age humanism is frequently seen as a secular thing in the opposite corner to the church. I don't think that applied in the sixteenth century. I think that is what the line is hinting at. Presumably, too, there were renaissance popes who would have defined themselves as humanists, but I don't have a source to answer the question "which pope(s)?", in the absence of which, I don't think the reference to "some popes" is helpful here. I've had a first stab at trying to clarify the line, but feel free to improve on wot I wrote.Charles01 (talk) 07:34, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

3) Also, I'm just a little puzzled by something else. At the beginning of the section German Peasants' War#Clergy, it says:

  • The clergy in 1525 were the intellectuals of their time.

Now, it is true that in the third sentence it says, "the clergy was beginning to lose its overwhelming intellectual authority", but it doesn't say the clergy were dropping to the bottom of the intellectual heap. Then we read, in the second sentence of the next paragraph, "Clerical ignorance" was "rampant". There's no indication of the passage of a great amount of time, so how did the clergy go from being "the intellectuals of their time" to being a group among whom "ignorance" was "rampant"? Corinne (talk) 23:48, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

  • You are greatly to be envied if you have never come across groups of intellectuals characterised by rampant ignorance. But the slightly more serious point is that most wiki entries are written by more than one person, and if you are looking for total consistency in any wiki entry .... you're an optimist. If you want to get hold of relevant sources and make the argument run a bit more seamlessly here, however, I agree that there is scope for that. Not necessarily a quick job though... Success Charles01 (talk) 07:34, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

History of Baden-Württemberg[edit]

In response to a request for a copy-edit of History of Baden-Württemberg at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, yesterday I completed a copy-edit of the article. Since I don't know the history, I limited my edits to improving sentence structure and correcting minor errors in spelling, capitalization, punctuation, spacing, etc. I think the article is slightly better now, but it could probably benefit from a review by someone who really knows the history. In particular, I think the section History of Baden-Württemberg#Further Austria and the Palatinate needs attention. I think the order of sentences could be improved to get the events closer to chronological order, and some duplication could be removed. Also, I'm not sure all the boldface is needed. Corinne (talk) 23:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Comprehending this sentence about German international schools[edit]

From: Ngene, Bunye. Die Stellung der deutschen Sprache in Afrika: Der Einfluss der deutschen und nigerianischen Sprachpolitik auf die deutsche Sprache in Nigeria. Diplomica Verlag, 2013. ISBN 3842869126, 9783842869127. p. 41.

  • "Dies liegt an der Konzeption der deutschsprachigen Schulen mit deutschem Schulziel, die sich als sogenannte Expertenschule größtenteils an deutsche Staatsangehörige und deutsche Muttersprachler wenden und nur in begrenztem Maße auch Kinder anderer Muttersprachen aufnehmen (Z.B. die deutsche Schule in Nigeria). Auch die Deutsche Schule Hermannsburg/Südafrika gehört als einzige geförderte landessprachige Schule mit verstärktem Deutschunterricht (L) in Afrika zu den kleineren deutschen Auslandsschulen."

I put this through Google Translate... but it's still a little unclear. Is it saying that most German schools in Africa are only designed for native German speakers and that few children with other native languages enroll; only the Hermannsburg school has intensive English instruction?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Also Böhm, Michael Anton. Deutsch in Afrika: die Stellung der deutschen Sprache in Afrika vor dem Hintergrund der bildungs- und sprachpolitischen Gegebenheiten sowie der deutschen auswärtigen Kulturpolitik (Volume 52 of Duisburg papers on research in language and culture). Lang, January 1, 2003. ISBN 3631515669, 9783631515662. p. 93. says:

  • "Auch die Deutsche Schule Hermannsburg/Südafrika gehört als einzige geforderte landessprachige Schule mit verstärktem Deutschunterricht (V) in Afrika zu den kleineren deutschen Auslandsschulen. Die großen zweisprachigen Schulen mit[...]" ( from the search page)

WhisperToMe (talk) 11:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Let me translate this for you (I also fixed some copy and paste errors). "The reason for this [smaller size of German-language schools compared to bilingual schools] is the school concept of the German-language schools with German educational goals. As so-called expert schools these are mostly targeted at German nationals and native German speakers and only admit a limited amount of children who are native speakers of a different language (the German school in Nigeria is such an example). The only subsidised local language school with enhanced German language instruction, the German school in Hermannsburg/South Africa, is among the smaller German overseas schools."
  • So your understanding is pretty much correct. I am not sure that the Hermannsburg school has English as its main language, but it says the main language of instruction is the Landessprache i.e. the language of the country, which could mean various things in a South African context I guess. Hope that helps, —Kusma (t·c) 12:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Kusma! I added text to Deutsche Schule Abuja and Deutsche Schule Hermannsburg citing that document. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC) says that Hermannsburg uses English as its medium of instruction WhisperToMe (talk) 13:27, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Notability of Team Hollandse Frietjes – non-professional cycling[edit]

Any reason this should not be prodded/AfD? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission 16/11/15[edit]

See Draft:Studienrat. Thanks, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 17:27, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Walter Model[edit]

I have nominated Walter Model for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKay (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

New state portals[edit]

Thanks to Niet-0-leuk and Bermicourt, Portal:Baden-Württemberg and Portal:Saarland are now available. Please check them out for possible additional article links and other tweaks. Now only Portal:Brandenburg and Portal:Bremen are missing for a full set of states portals. GermanJoe (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


G'day all, there is a RfC about the scope of the Greco-Italian War article that you may wish to contribute to. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Are there two Theodor Wolffs?[edit]

Is this Theodor Wolff: - the same one who authored the Race with the Tortoise in 1929? ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

No there are at least 3 - see German Wikipedia - none of whom seem to have authored this book. Must be a fairly common name. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Jacobs University Bremen[edit]

I came across this today in the course of following a promotional account--the article is rife with promotional content, and at least a little copyright violation. I'm sometimes hesitant to cut massive amounts of unsourced content, but think this needs a major shearing. Additional thoughts will be greatly appreciated. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

See Draft:Oberweißbacher Bergbahn. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 12:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Titanic (1943 film)[edit]

This article, about the flop propaganda "blockbuster" commissioned by Nazi Germany's Josef Goebbels, has just been through a pretty nasty patch of edit warring, which included personal attacks and the use of sock IPs. The editor responsible has been blocked fo 2 weeks, but it might be a good idea if folks were to add it to their watchlists to make sure things don't start up again when the block is over. BMK (talk) 23:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

March (territorial entity)[edit]

I just saw this edit to March (territorial entity). [1] Can someone address the question? Corinne (talk) 00:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)