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Pullach[edit]

Hi, I've left a message on the German page too. I hope you don't mind but I thought I might be able to help with translating into English. I've only just started (Saturday at the workshop at Wikimania). I'll pop back to review the page as I haven't translated everything and I'm not entirely happy with it yet. However, I need some help. I think there needs to be more references and I'm not well placed to find these e.g. references to the dates given. Also a few photos would be great, especially as it's difficult to understand the concept of a high bank, if you can't see what is meant. Thanks.

Quick question regarding "Hillary Clinton" in Germany[edit]

At Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request, a German editor supporting the move proposed that Hillary Clinton is generally known as "Hillary Clinton" by people in Germany, not as "Hillary Rodham Clinton". Another editor questioned that on the basis that the German Wikipedia article is at de:Hillary Rodham Clinton, having been moved there one week ago after a surprisingly short discussion for such an important topic. Since most other major languages use "Hillary Clinton" or the alphabetic equivalent (e.g. af:Hillary Clinton, da:Hillary Clinton, fr:Hillary Clinton, it:Hillary Clinton, no:Hillary Clinton, ru:Клинтон, Хиллари, sv:Hillary Clinton), I was wondering whether this is reflective of the name the person is usually known as (i.e. the WP:COMMONNAME) in German? Cheers! bd2412 T 15:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

List of German archives[edit]

The German WP page [1] is much longer than the en:WP one at List of archives in Germany.

Translation/transfer over anyone? ([2] can be used if required.) Jackiespeel (talk) 16:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Georg Forster FAR[edit]

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Holy Roman Empire versus Germany[edit]

See this discussion on how to use the category structure for Category:Centuries in Germany versus Category:Centuries in the Holy Roman Empire in the best way. Please share your thoughts. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Needed articles[edit]

During my visit to Berlin, I've identified a few missing articles about local sites, memorials, art, etc. I hope to create some of these articles myself but of course would welcome help from project members. There may be articles at German Wikipedia, but it would help if Wikipedia had English-language equivalents for the following:

Some articles may also benefit from English translations? Again, all assistance is welcome. ---Another Believer (Talk) 07:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Typo in Commons category fixed - that pig is called "Eber" in German :). GermanJoe (talk) 10:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting! I am going to try to tackle these slowly but surely. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Article "Germany"[edit]

The article Germany is being updated. Just some general fixes to standardize text, update numbers, names, etc. The article is protected, so if you're interested in helping out.... There is a list of tasks on the talk page, but this list is not inclusive of all the tasks needed. One of the items in need is a review of the population figures. Do these automatically update if the template is updated (despite all my years on projects, I'm woefully ignorant). auntieruth (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

"Varieties of German"[edit]

The usage and primary topic of Varieties of German is under discussion, see talk:German dialects -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Ingeborg Rapoport, a German neonatologist, Holocaust survivor, and the oldest person to receive a PhD in 2015.[edit]

Hello. I have created an article about Ingeborg Rapoport, a German neonatologist, Holocaust survivor, and the oldest person to receive a PhD in 2015. I was wondering if someone at this WikiProject would like to create a page about her thesis supervisor, Rudolf Degkwitz. The German Wikipedia has an article about him, and also about his son. However, not everything is referenced, and I think it's important to add in-line references everywhere on the English Wikipedia at least. I don't speak German, and I am hoping some of you do and are interested. I could simply copy and paste the automatic translations, but I think it requires a bit more work (including finding more references, ideally a picture). I was also wondering if there was a page about the dean at the University of Hamburg who was a fanatical Nazi supporter? Was he tried at Nuremberg? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Vincent Klink[edit]

All the references are in German, looks like they're probably notable, but I cannot tell for sure. Please could someone advise me? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

And this one too, please: Draft:Patrick Bebelaar. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

First mosque?[edit]

Please see discussion at Talk:Islam in Germany#First mosque? Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Kingdom of Germany: proposal to split article[edit]

See this proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

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Requested moves[edit]

Three requested move discussions which concern this project have been started. They can be found at:

BMK (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Translation of German article Enfants Terribles[edit]

Hello, I would be grateful, when somebody can chek/correct the English translation here of the German article (German original version: here) (the pictures "Datei…" you can see in the German version). Perhaps you can see something you don´t understand, because my Englsh is not the best, please ask then and I can try to write this part better. If you can speak German, than I can understand your tips better. You can also correct the version in my sandbox here. Best regards --Justus Tler (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Here are my comments, for what they're worth:
  • "(short: Nana Bastrup)" - maybe "(known as Nana Bastrup)"
  • A few people corrected some of "my" articles to use "b." instead of "*" for birth, and likewise "d." instead of a dagger for death, but that last doesn't apply here.
  • "an homage" instead of "a homage".
  • "In the year 2014 they moved in artists residence in Meinersen as scholarship holder of Bösenberg Stiftung" -> "In 2014 they moved into the artists' residence in Meinersen as holders of Bösenberg Stiftung scholarship"
  • "earlier Dada movement"
  • "Die „Laufbilder“ zeigen Ausstellungssituationen, die sie erschafft haben und Ausstellungsstationen, die sie durchlaufen haben." not sure exactly what the German is trying to say, so I can't comment on yor translation
You do good work! Your English is better than my German, for sure. Peter Flass (talk) 01:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I made a few minor tweaks: curly quotations are discouraged, redundant "the year", some formatting improvements, and a bit of phrasing. You don't have to "quote" the duo's name everywhere. In most usages it's just a proper noun (unless the quotation marks are part of the official name of course). The article may still have some German-English phrases (I often have the same problem myself, using German syntax in English ;)) - but it's a really good start. One last point: ref #5 needs a proper link title. If the page has no "official" title, try a descriptive one in your own words. GermanJoe (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Wappen[edit]

I have translated a couple of locality articles from German, but omitted the "Wappen" section. I know that Heraldry has it's own specialized vocabulary in English. My opinion is that the German should be translated to the appropriate English, and I don't have the knowledge to do it. It would be nice if someone fluent in the English terminology could translate these. Peter Flass (talk) 01:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Peter, I sympathise. I have had a go at a couple of these, but the language is highly specialised and easy to get wrong. I wonder if there's a heraldry group on Wikipedia? --Bermicourt (talk) 07:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
We have Wikipedia:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology, which still seems to be active. GermanJoe (talk) 13:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I just took a look at Birkenhördt which I think may be one of the entries you had in mind. Some of the language - the description of colours and positions - didn't look too specialist. I respectfully submit that a principal purpose of wikipedia is to share knowledge, and that even the most admirable of the jargonistas are at their most wiki-helpful when they are smart enough to let the rest of us know what they are talking/writing about. Some of the heraldry stuff does indeed use superior / obscure language which presupposes a certain level of specialist knowledge, but other things being equal we should surely avoid jargon where we can substitute words that most readers will understand. Clearly, where a line of German is incomprehensible to the translator, the best thing to be done is to leave it out. That applies to more than just the "Wappen" section. But that's not, on its own, a reason to ignore the entire section. The risk from excessive subservience to specialist jargon is a particular issue with English language wikipedia, because a lot of people who consult wikipedia in English will have English only as a second or third language. We should not discourage people who know the euphonious heraldry words from glorifying in their specialized vocabulary, but where it is nevertheless possible to translate the German using words that most readers in English will understand .... well, that feels like a good place to start. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
The German is relatively easy to translate into everyday English, but in my experience the result is likely to be poor, inconsistent between articles or just inaccurate. In some cases, there is no ordinary word for a heraldic device or charge. They are what they are. Heraldry, like other disciplines, has its own precise terminology and method for describing coats of arms and we should use it for accuracy and education. Words like bordure, saltire or martlet can always be linked so those who aren't familiar with them can enlighten themselves. A description in plain English can always be added if necessary. The argument is not unlike that for plants where Latin names offer precision and English names offer confusion and scope for error or simply don't exist. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I suppose the blazon would read something like:
"Party per bend sinister; (in the dexter) sable a lion passant sinister Or, crowned, armed and langued gules; and (in the sinister) Or a three-leaved birch branch vert."
--Boson (talk) 23:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
or "lion passant bendwise sinister" or some variation. It's certainly beyond me. Peter Flass (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
or perhaps "lion passant bendwise contourny". I think it is clear, though, that it is difficult to describe the coat of arms concisely in "normal" English that is not standardized for use in heraldry. For instance, there is the problem as to the perspective implied by right and left, and whether to use the colours actually used in the normal depiction of the coat of arms (e.g. white and yellow) or a "translation" of the "tinctures" that refer to the notional coat of arms represented by the description (e.g. silver and gold; I've no idea how to sensibly translate vair into normal English). --Boson (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
To use a field I'm familiar with, it seems it's like someone who doesn't know much about computers translating a German computer article. It's possible to translate it to some kind of normal english, but if he doesn't know the english computer terminology it's likely to be wrong. I'm assuming German heraldry is just as stylized as english, but with different terminology.
Some articles just mention both "definitions", one in clear English describing the CoA with everyday words and another one with the "formal" blazon. I actually like that approach, as it addresses both groups of readers: the casual layman and readers interested in heraldic details. The phrasing just needs to clearly distinguish both descriptions. GermanJoe (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2015 (terminology.
Any examples? Peter Flass (talk) 15:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't remember (more than 3 months ago ...). But it was simply something like "The Coat of Arms of XYZ shows <description in everyday English>. The blazon is <blazon description>." Of course that approach only works, if the CoA depicts something relatively easy to describe (flowers, animals, common items). It will most likely not work with complex CoAs or with CoAs that depict uncommon heraldic symbols. GermanJoe (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Thousands of German cityscape and other images may be deleted from Commons[edit]

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Two_weeks_to_save_freedom_of_panorama_in_Europe. I think it is an item of major interest to the editors interested in this WikiProject. The (very underestimated) counts for how many images may be affected have been posted to commons:Commons_talk:Freedom_of_Panorama_2015#numbers. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Hellmuth Marx[edit]

Is the article concerning Hellmuth_Marx (AUSTRIAN sculptor) really within the scope of WikiProject GERMANY ?Hommageur 21:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hommageur (talkcontribs)

Changed to WPAustria, thanks for pointing this out (probably just a misunderstanding). GermanJoe (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Eyes needed[edit]

Anker Steinbaukasten[edit]

The German language Wikipedia needs articles on 1) F. Ad. Richter & Cie. 2) Friederich Adolf Richter

And

The product lines of the company were sold between 1911 and 1914, so minor changes should be made in other articles. Ankerstein (talk) 17:59, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Walther von Reichenau[edit]

Added a header for this new section (unfortunately I know only little about this topic myself). GermanJoe (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Could someone take a look at my added material to Walther von Reichenau, which appears under To Follow Nazi Support section? This relates to his participation in German Resistance activities and is a significant shift in the presentation of the rest of his biography.

I'm really green at Wikipedia editing and very confused about navigating in this system. I got some advice in the Teahouse but discovered it had been deleted a few hours later.

Thanks for any assistance!

Radixetramus (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)