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Comprehending this sentence about German international schools[edit]

From: Ngene, Bunye. Die Stellung der deutschen Sprache in Afrika: Der Einfluss der deutschen und nigerianischen Sprachpolitik auf die deutsche Sprache in Nigeria. Diplomica Verlag, 2013. ISBN 3842869126, 9783842869127. p. 41.

  • "Dies liegt an der Konzeption der deutschsprachigen Schulen mit deutschem Schulziel, die sich als sogenannte Expertenschule größtenteils an deutsche Staatsangehörige und deutsche Muttersprachler wenden und nur in begrenztem Maße auch Kinder anderer Muttersprachen aufnehmen (Z.B. die deutsche Schule in Nigeria). Auch die Deutsche Schule Hermannsburg/Südafrika gehört als einzige geförderte landessprachige Schule mit verstärktem Deutschunterricht (L) in Afrika zu den kleineren deutschen Auslandsschulen."

I put this through Google Translate... but it's still a little unclear. Is it saying that most German schools in Africa are only designed for native German speakers and that few children with other native languages enroll; only the Hermannsburg school has intensive English instruction?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Also Böhm, Michael Anton. Deutsch in Afrika: die Stellung der deutschen Sprache in Afrika vor dem Hintergrund der bildungs- und sprachpolitischen Gegebenheiten sowie der deutschen auswärtigen Kulturpolitik (Volume 52 of Duisburg papers on research in language and culture). Lang, January 1, 2003. ISBN 3631515669, 9783631515662. p. 93. says:

  • "Auch die Deutsche Schule Hermannsburg/Südafrika gehört als einzige geforderte landessprachige Schule mit verstärktem Deutschunterricht (V) in Afrika zu den kleineren deutschen Auslandsschulen. Die großen zweisprachigen Schulen mit[...]" ( from the search page)

WhisperToMe (talk) 11:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Let me translate this for you (I also fixed some copy and paste errors). "The reason for this [smaller size of German-language schools compared to bilingual schools] is the school concept of the German-language schools with German educational goals. As so-called expert schools these are mostly targeted at German nationals and native German speakers and only admit a limited amount of children who are native speakers of a different language (the German school in Nigeria is such an example). The only subsidised local language school with enhanced German language instruction, the German school in Hermannsburg/South Africa, is among the smaller German overseas schools."
  • So your understanding is pretty much correct. I am not sure that the Hermannsburg school has English as its main language, but it says the main language of instruction is the Landessprache i.e. the language of the country, which could mean various things in a South African context I guess. Hope that helps, —Kusma (t·c) 12:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Kusma! I added text to Deutsche Schule Abuja and Deutsche Schule Hermannsburg citing that document. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC) says that Hermannsburg uses English as its medium of instruction WhisperToMe (talk) 13:27, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Notability of Team Hollandse Frietjes – non-professional cycling[edit]

Any reason this should not be prodded/AfD? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission 16/11/15[edit]

See Draft:Studienrat. Thanks, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 17:27, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Walter Model[edit]

I have nominated Walter Model for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKay (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

New state portals[edit]

Thanks to Niet-0-leuk and Bermicourt, Portal:Baden-Württemberg and Portal:Saarland are now available. Please check them out for possible additional article links and other tweaks. Now only Portal:Brandenburg and Portal:Bremen are missing for a full set of states portals. GermanJoe (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


G'day all, there is a RfC about the scope of the Greco-Italian War article that you may wish to contribute to. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Are there two Theodor Wolffs?[edit]

Is this Theodor Wolff: - the same one who authored the Race with the Tortoise in 1929? ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

No there are at least 3 - see German Wikipedia - none of whom seem to have authored this book. Must be a fairly common name. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Jacobs University Bremen[edit]

I came across this today in the course of following a promotional account--the article is rife with promotional content, and at least a little copyright violation. I'm sometimes hesitant to cut massive amounts of unsourced content, but think this needs a major shearing. Additional thoughts will be greatly appreciated. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

See Draft:Oberweißbacher Bergbahn. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 12:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Titanic (1943 film)[edit]

This article, about the flop propaganda "blockbuster" commissioned by Nazi Germany's Josef Goebbels, has just been through a pretty nasty patch of edit warring, which included personal attacks and the use of sock IPs. The editor responsible has been blocked fo 2 weeks, but it might be a good idea if folks were to add it to their watchlists to make sure things don't start up again when the block is over. BMK (talk) 23:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

March (territorial entity)[edit]

I just saw this edit to March (territorial entity). [1] Can someone address the question? Corinne (talk) 00:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Proposed disambiguation of Southern Alps (New Zealand) and Southern Alps (Europe)[edit]

Currently Southern Alps is an article about a mountain range in New Zealand and Southern Alps (Europe) is about the range in the south of the Alps. So there is a move request to move the former to Southern Alps (New Zealand) and make Southern Alps the disambiguation page, on the basis that the Southern Alps of Europe are at least as notable as the Southern Alps of New Zealand. See Talk:Southern Alps#Requested move 30 November 2015. Bermicourt (talk) 12:05, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Frankfurter Dom[edit]

Frankfurter Dom has been moved from Frankfurt Cathedral to Frankfurt Minster. While it's true that Frankfurt is no bishop's see, I don't find any source for "Minster", and we should not invent a name. Freiburg and Ulm have a "Münster" but Frankfurt and Soest have a "Dom". Discussion on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Hardly any references use Minster, so I'm afraid I've been bold and moved it back to Cathedral, which is far more common. Sometimes we have to go with an inaccurate translation because that's the one the sources use. Or even a half translation: my favourite is Bayern Munich - how ridiculous is that! --Bermicourt (talk) 07:26, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Article deletion nomination[edit]

The article on the Fritz Pflaum Hut, a mountain hut in the Alps run by the German Alpine Club, has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fritz Pflaum Hut. The outcome of this may decide the fate of all similar Alpine hut articles. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

AfD: List of living Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients[edit]

Hi. Given that the subject is within the subject areas covered by this WikiProject, I thought you should be aware of the pending WP:Articles for deletion discussion @ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of living Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients. Your participation, insights and comments are welcome there. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:03, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Population numbers[edit]

I just looked at the infobox of Giessen and noticed that the population data is different from the one in the linked source. I tried fixing this by hand, but then noticed that the population field in {{Infobox German location}} is not used if the


field is given. For all larger towns and cities, the population data is taken from {{Metadata Population DE-HE}} (or similar for other states) instead. The problem is that the link given goes to the population statistics as of 31 March 2015, not 2013-12-31 as claimed in all the infoboxes. Updating the metadata template would fix this for now (for all towns in Hessen). Is there anybody up to the task? And is there a way that we can make sure we don't link to a non-static (updating) website for static data (the 2013-12-31 population)? —Kusma (t·c) 10:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

De-wiki has data as of 12/2014 (de:Vorlage:Metadaten_Einwohnerzahl_DE-HE), that should be usable 1:1 assuming the file structure between their "Vorlagen" and en-Wiki's templates is still analoguous. Copy/pasting that data from de- to en-Wiki looks like a trivial task, but I'd feel more comfortable if that update was done by someone with more background knowledge about the update processes (in case it is not trivial for some reason...). GermanJoe (talk) 13:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Music articles PRODed[edit]

It looks like a lot of music-related articles have been prodded recently (see "Article alerts" on the project page) - mostly German rock and pop. I am not a big fan myself (and most of them seem non- or only borderline-notable at first glance), but if anyone is interested in the topic, it would be great to double-check them before their time is up. Of course if no reliable sources can be found, so be it and they should be deleted. GermanJoe (talk) 12:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

AFD for German Wine Princess and Nadine Poss[edit]

The following articles connected with the German wine industry have been put up for deletion: German Wine Princess and Nadine Poss (the 2013/14 German Wine Queen). Please feel free to comment at their entries: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/German Wine Princess and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nadine Poss. The latter could prove a test case for all other wine queen articles. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

RM of interest to this project[edit]

Talk:Bismarck#Requested move 29 December 2015 BMK (talk) 03:04, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

TH Köln NOT a Technical University ![edit]

Formerly "Fachhochschule Köln – Cologne University of Applied Sciences", since 01 Sept. '15 in German "Technische Hochschule Köln – TH Köln", in English "TH Köln – University of Applied Sciences". Please refer to [1] For differences between "Fachhochschule", "Technische Hochschule", and "Technische Universität" please also refer to the correspondent pages in the German Wikipedia. (As I am also not sure about how precise the English Articles are.) (talk) 15:00, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

It is as mentioned above. The institution only changed the German full designation, the English full designation stays the same. I recommend to change the title into simply "TH Köln". However, when typing "TH Köln" in the (browser) search bar, you end up with results that don't refer to Cologne University of Applied Sciences. Different as with the former abbreviated designation "FH Köln". That should be changed anyways.

In short: Title should be "TH Köln". Introduction should be "The 'TH Köln – University of Applied Sciences' (in German 'Technische Hochschule Köln – TH Köln', formerly 'Fachhochschule Köln – Cologne University of Applied Sciences') [and so on and so forth]". And the terms "Technische Hochschule" and "Fachhochschule" would be linked to the correspondent (English) Wikipedia-Articles.

Reference links: TH Köln > About > Organization > Services[2] English Imprint of KISD, an institute of TH Köln[3] Human Resources Strategy for Researchers[4] (talk) 01:57, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Official English designation IS "TH Köln - University of Applied Sciences"[5] (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Merger RfC[edit]

A formal request has been received to merge: Malchow concentration camp to Ravensbrück concentration camp; >>>Discussion is Here<<<; dated November 2015. Your input is needed and welcome. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 10:35, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


Afd for Dreieck Walsrode[edit]

Editors here may wish to comment on the proposal to delete Dreieck Walsrode, the major road transport junction between Bremen, Hamburg and Hanover, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dreieck Walsrode. Bermicourt (talk) 09:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


The usage and topic of Lorraine is under discussion, see Talk:Lorraine (duchy) -- (talk) 05:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

"German Air Force" or "Bundeswehr Luftwaffe"[edit]

See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 20 for a discussion on the naming and scoping of the units and formations category. -- (talk) 06:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Germany, Nazi Germany and the Third Reich on Military articles - Oh my![edit]

See this RfC on which name to use in the infoboxes of military unit's active only during the Third Reich/Nazi Germany and leave a well-considered !Vote. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 06:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

There is a requested move that may interest people here at Talk:Taharrush jamai#Requested move 1 February 2016. SarahSV (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)