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Odd IP copyedit requests[edit]

BlueMoonset has noticed a spike in copyedit requests by new IPs who haven't worked on the relevant pages, which may explain some of the current bloat at WP:GOCE/REQ. Under the circumstances, we probably need to limit requests to registered users only (at least until the apparent trolling stops). Discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests/Archives/2017#A fair number of IPs are Requesting copyedits for articles they haven't worked on. All the best, Miniapolis 19:11, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

May drive[edit]

Oofah, it's time for another drive; if I had my way, the blitzes would be history :-). How about everything in the backlog up to (and including) August 2016, and the March requests? All the best, Miniapolis 17:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

We need to include September 2016 as well; we handled well over 200 old articles in each of the last two drives. I count 287 old articles including September, which should be enough.
Yes to March requests. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good to me; I didn't want to set the bar too high :-). Miniapolis 01:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

April blitz barnstars[edit]

The barnstar page is up; if someone could give 'em out (with {{GOCE award}}—it's easy), that would be great. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 20:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I should have time to do it about six or seven hours from this time stamp. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks very much. Miniapolis 01:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 Done except for my own. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

June blitz ideas?[edit]

The request backlog is medium, but I don't have any great ideas for other theme ideas right now. Thoughts? Tdslk (talk) 23:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

We're in the same boat; the requests list is under control at the moment, but after moving hay all day my brain (not to mention my back :-)) is fried. Ideas welcome. All the best, Miniapolis 02:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
How about BLPs? They are probably one of the most important types of article on Wikipedia to hold to a high standard, so some work on the 268 articles needing copy edit out of those may be a worthy goal for the next blitz. Keira1996 03:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
BLPs sounds like an interesting idea. Remind me on August 1, and I'll set that up for us. I'm too worn out right now to set up anything besides Requests. Let's knock that list down a bit. The June blitz is available for sign-up.Jonesey95 (talk) 06:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Seeking consensus to nominate Corinne after the nomination deadline[edit]

I am seeking consensus from current (and emeritus, if they wish to chime in) coordinators to allow the nomination of Corinne as a Coordinator in this month's election, four hours after the nomination deadline. See this discussion. Pinging Miniapolis, Tdslk, SMasters, Diannaa, Torchiest. I support this post-deadline nomination. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

No objection. It would be great to have Corinne continue! Tdslk (talk) 03:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Don't see anything wrong with it. —Torchiest talkedits 05:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay by me. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Me too. I've spoken with her off-wiki, and it was my impression that she intends to continue. Miniapolis 14:33, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks everyone. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Jonesey95, for initiating this, and thank you Miniapolis, Tdslk, Torchiest, and Diannaa for your support. It is much appreciated.  – Corinne (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming wikibreak[edit]

Due to an upcoming family visit, I'll be on wikibreak for a week or so (from Saturday, June 24 through Saturday, July 1) and will be unavailable to close the blitz or open the July drive (August–October 2016 backlog plus requests?). I should be back later on July 2. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 00:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Enjoy your well-earned break! Tdslk (talk) 00:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I will be around this weekend and can take down the blitz and set up the July drive. I will be away at the start of the drive for a few days. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks both. All the best, Miniapolis 12:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

This is a reminder that two of your Coordinators will be away for a few days. Please update the daily backlog counts on the drive page at 00:00 UTC each day. That's 28 PM ET and 5 PM PT for you folks in the US. If you want to see the formatting, take a look at the May drive page. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:48, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I believe you mean 8 pm ET :). I'll be around. Tdslk (talk) 13:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Sigh. Corrected. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

New Coordinator topicons[edit]

Hi! I just made new topicons for the Guild of Copy Editors Coordinators, Lead Coordinators, and Coordinators Emeriti. You can see them here:

Pinging all users who fit any of these three categories: @Jonesey95, Corinne, Keira1996, Miniapolis, Tdslk, SMasters, Diannaa, and Torchiest:

Please let me know what you think of these icons.

Thanks!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:04, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Very nice! I have added one to my page. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:27, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
... and I've done the same. Thanks, Noah! All the best, Miniapolis 14:39, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
As have I! Thank you Noah, these are great and much appreciated. Keira1996 12:13, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the creative initiative, Noah, but the topicons I see when I click on the three links above, or even the one at the top of Diannaa's user page, are so small that I can't see what they look like or how they are different from the existing ones. Can you tell me how I can see a larger image? Also, I'm just curious what you felt needed improving in the existing topicons, which I thought looked pretty nice. Thanks.  – Corinne (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Maybe you've misunderstood what to use them for, Corinne. They're supposed to be tiny, as they live at the top of the user page. See User:Diannaa for an example that displays several topicons at the top. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:56, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Dianna. Since it seemed Noah had created new topicons, I wanted to compare the new ones to the existing ones, but found that impossible due to their small size.  – Corinne (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
These new icons use the existing images, for example file:GOCE Coordinator Emeritus.png, but add coding so that the image is tiny and is correctly positioned at the top of the user page in the top icon row. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh. Thanks for explaining. Would you mind checking the formatting of the four small icons at the top of my user page? I just added the Coordinator topicon, but it looks different from the others. I didn't know what else to use.  – Corinne (talk) 15:25, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
It looks perfect on my conputer (MacBook running Mavericks, both Chrome and Safari look perfect; also looks perfect on the Chromebook running Chrome) — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Diannaa, Miniapolis, and Corinne: I'm glad that you like my topicons! I didn't realize that other topicons exist for coordinators; I created these to fill what I thought was a gap. I apologize for creating redundant templates. If you could provide links to the other topicons, I would greatly appreciate that! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:50, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

AFAIK, Noah, your topicons are the first for coordinators. Thanks again and all the best, Miniapolis 14:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Now I think I understand. I didn't realize that a topicon is only a small image that is normally placed at the top of a user page. The image that is in the GOCE user box and the same plain image of the GOCE coordinator "seal" are, I guess, just that – images, and not topicons. Did I get that right? I was still curious, though, to see if the image used in the topicon was the same as the larger image.  – Corinne (talk) 15:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it is. Miniapolis 22:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
@Miniapolis: Thanks for letting me know that the topicons are, in fact, the first GOCE Coordinator topicons! @Corinne: The image used in each topicon is (or at least is intended to be) the same image as the one in the corresponding userbox. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Great! We've both learned something. Noah Do you mean "what the topicons are"? If you actually meant "that", then I don't fully understand your first sentence.  – Corinne (talk) 00:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
@Corinne: I have modified my previous post (additions underlined). Please let me know if this resolves the problem. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:50, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes. Thanks. Now it is clear to me.  – Corinne (talk) 00:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

On Wikibreak and apologies[edit]

As you may have noticed, I've not been active for the past couple of weeks. Stuff has happened in real life (honestly, why does it always have to coincide with me being active on Wikipedia again?) so I won't be around very much for another week or so. I'm about to drop my current request as I doubt that I'll find the time to copy edit the entire article on Microsoft! I should be back and ready to help out again soon. Sorry, and thank you for all that you do! Keira1996 12:17, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Have the best possible week, Keira1996, and we look forward to your return.  – Corinne (talk) 15:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm back - thanks Corinne. I'll start having a look at things that need doing later today, after I catch up on my personal backlog. Keira1996 03:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

July barnstar page ...[edit]

 ... incredibly, is here. If someone could give them out over the next few days, that would be wonderful. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 23:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I had some time and thought I might try giving out the awards, and was checking through the wordcounts to make sure everything matched (i.e. making sure the totals on the drive page matched those on the barnstar page). I caught an interesting discrepancy. From David Thibault:
2. Completed Peace Agreement of Hat Yai (1989) (427)
Instead of using 427 as the wordcount, it used 1989 for a slightly higher total on the barnstars page. There was a similar discrepency with Lfstevens' totals, which corresponds with the numbers on this line:
21. Completed Siege of Rogatica (1941) (789) *O
It looks like those were the only two articles with parentheic years in the titles. It doesn't change the barnstars or anything, no big deal, but I thought I'd report it. I'll manually tidy the barnstars page (including leaderboard) and start distributing awards. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I always have terrible trouble with the script, but it's the only way we can do the math now; back in the day, when there was less drive participation and fewer articles edited, it was done manually with a calculator (not by me—I was a noob then :-)). I didn't want to wait until Jonesey95 got back on the 7th to get started. All the best, Miniapolis 13:38, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
My computer must be about that old, because its java won't run the scripts. I did a calculator tally of Lfstevens' list, and that's a long list! Awards are now distributed, except for my own (and Miniapolis, who swept fourth place). I'd been stressing over some reviews but got that sorted amicably and feeling much better after awarding barnstars. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks again, and don't worry about me; in accordance with the top of the barnstar page, Baffle gab1978 and I have enough barnstars :-). All the best, Miniapolis 22:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Blitz and drive instruction refinement[edit]

There'd been some discussion about updating the instructions regarding removal of the {{copy edit}} tag. These changes would be to the main blitz and drive pages, and to a lesser degree the templates which generate the individual blitz and drive pages. Here is an overview of changes I'd noted from the discussions:

  • Change the main instructions from bullet-point lists (unordered) to numbered lists, as appropriate for step-by-step instructions.
  • Add a note to check the page history for recent copy-editing activity.
  • Remove the copy edit tag when beginning work on the article.
  • Record the working line before removing the copy edit tag (safety mechanism for abandoned copy edits).
  • Only work on one article at a time

So the revised instructions (main blitz/drive page) would be ordered as:

  1. Sign up
    • Record rollover words, if any
  2. Find an article
    • Check page history
  3. Obtain the word count
  4. Record – working
    • Remove any extant copy edit tag
    • Do not start another article until this one is completed
  5. Copy edit
  6. Record – completed

The template-generated instructions for individual blitzes and drives have a section for recording totals which is all one subject, and seem to work better as bulleted lists as they include more specific advice, dos and don'ts.

It might be worth adding a small note to the how-to page, something like: Note that it is permissible to remove the copy edit tag to avoid edit conflicts while actively copy editing an article as part of a GOCE blitz or drive.

Does the above sound about right? – Reidgreg (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, and I'll tweak the how-to page. All the best, Miniapolis 22:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good to me, too. Tdslk (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, did the main and template blitz/drive pages, and a little tidying. The instructions on the main pages are starting to look a bit wordy, but I suppose that's to be expected. Feel free to revert or further refine. I just wanted to try and head-off confusion/conflicts, especially with new copy editors. (Miniapolis, thanks for the Special:PermanentLink in your edit summary, that's a trick I'll have to use.) – Reidgreg (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I did some edits to reduce wordiness. The easiest part was deleting the duplicate copy of instructions for installing the word count script! I wonder if we can delete the fourth paragraph: "You do not need to be a member of the Guild of Copy Editors...." As far as I'm concerned, everyone who participates is a member. Tdslk (talk) 02:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
That's a good idea, and I agree. All the best, Miniapolis 16:47, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I just boldly removed the Hall of Fame and "member" paragraphs from the main drive page as well. Tdslk (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

August blitz?[edit]

Next week will be the last full week of August, so we should probably make like a seven-reindeer sled and get our blitzen on. Ideas for a theme? Tdslk (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Yep, we need a blitz next week. BLPs were suggested for the June blitz, but I was too tired to make it happen. Last August, the theme was "biographical articles that have been tagged for copy editing for over a year". I'll see if I can dig up the petscan query. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
I dropped a year. It was August 2015. Here's the Petscan query for BLPs in the oldest two months of the backlog. As of today, it gives 48 articles. Does that look good to everyone? Here's the list as of today:
Title Page ID Namespace Size (bytes) Last change
Abdulla Issa 52684644 0 46607 20170807192650
Abdullah ibn Masud 2255895 0 20516 20170814183825
Agha Syed Hamid Ali Shah Moosavi 51858396 0 6705 20170805054815
Ahmadiyya Jabrayilov 21221032 0 31091 20170805211511
Ana Sladetic 53089356 0 7255 20170731145605
Bahirji Naik 36765567 0 5169 20170730141456
Bethany Joy Lenz 30863510 0 39139 20170816162356
Bjørnar Iversen 53134692 0 5848 20170817010941
Carmen Miranda 50758 0 98648 20170816234759
Christine McVie 36647 0 39618 20170815114804
Daniel Johnston 299437 0 25034 20170815143137
Dmytro Firtash 30055277 0 52761 20170806201536
Eitel Brothers 36863490 0 30057 20170728214323
Emir Vildić 29966062 0 10398 20170626015409
Gauri Pathare 52970779 0 7745 20170611125822
George F. Close 52642196 0 5066 20170709060816
Gustavo Morales 53263752 0 8184 20170811125743
Henry Conger Pratt 28734623 0 36362 20170811033732
Hokky Situngkir 51737978 0 7220 20170803080526
Jahandar Shah 368637 0 8007 20170815181139
Jim Tavaré 2959927 0 8285 20170811083601
Julian Marcus Trono 27327039 0 5741 20170810110147
Kavasji Naegamvala 48682625 0 7286 20170802164505
Kavisekhara Dr Umar Alisha 13627965 0 10488 20170808112451
Ladislaus the Posthumous 161735 0 44771 20170811204456
Lucien Scheler 53094745 0 9726 20170606223216
Mark Jonathan Davis 5051879 0 8924 20170807072432
Mehrsa Baradaran 52089716 0 9876 20170809100921
Mohamed Enani 52747155 0 11315 20170709073052
Mohydeen Izzat Quandour 20592978 0 6571 20170708024052
Paul Enenche 48915954 0 6662 20170727114353
Peter and Rosemary Grant 584186 0 23825 20170815032433
Prahlad Pandey 41790375 0 6324 20170701144225
Ram Singh 52761965 0 6240 20170813171021
Ramya 4419381 0 22487 20170724032158
Rastko Ćirić 52068412 0 9375 20170806015359
Rebecca Jackson 11589576 0 7744 20170729181511
Richard Koch 3460773 0 17843 20170814234234
Robert Lyn Nelson 42751791 0 7831 20170807060417
Satish 47243011 0 19484 20170806205951
Spice 1 3104710 0 7893 20170814164804
Sreekandan Nair 51857090 0 5530 20170722192324
Tanaya Henry 33244619 0 10811 20170809163756
Tareque Sayeed 52908407 0 6029 20170806070254
Vinicius de Moraes 586138 0 21218 20170817004725
Wei-Heng Chen 53054842 0 5107 20170720080020
Wolfgang Haber 53056968 0 6343 20170612225406
Z. Karvalics László 51001281 0 6405 20170811130420
If that works for the coordinators, I'll create the page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Works for me. Tdslk (talk) 01:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Me too. Miniapolis 13:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

September drive[edit]

Guess it's that time again. How about the January–March backlog (boy, it's nice not having to include the year :-)) and the August requests? All the best, Miniapolis 16:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Sounds about right. Tdslk (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Agreed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:43, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Blitz barnstars ready[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/August 2017/Barnstars; if someone would please give 'em out, that would be great. If I have time and no one beats me to it, I'll create the September drive page. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 23:56, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Can get to this in around 3 hours unless someone beats me to it as well. Keira1996 04:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- didn't participate in this Blitz, of course, so no need for anyone to go sorting mine. Thanks Miniapolis for sorting the table! Keira1996 07:54, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Discord[edit]

Afternoon all. I've been in the WP:DISCORD server for the past week or so, and recently spoke to ferret about the possibility of having a GOCE channel (which has now been, perhaps a tad preemptively, created) -- obviously the IRC channel didn't go well, but I believe discord as a platform for off-wiki, IM-style discussion is a better one primarily due to the fact past messages remain regardless of whether or not you are online. Would the interest be there, do we think? Keira1996 02:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

OMG, it's all I can do to manage IRC :-). Seriously, though, I'd never heard of Discord until now but if it's easier to use I'll give it a go after my RL obligations during the next couple of days. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 15:16, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
It's mostly used by gaming communities and whatnot, but it's basically IRC with voice, a cool layout, embedded pictures, and it logs old messages and those when you weren't online. What could we do to publicize its existence (if we choose to use) -- possibly mention it in the next newsletter? Not had one of those in a while. Keira1996 15:30, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, the #wikipedia-en-copyedit channel is still on Freenode AFAIK and there doesn't seem to be a consensus to move. As for the newsletters ... well, we coordinators have been working hard and use the ombox to publicize the drives and blitzes. Miniapolis 23:27, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Aye, but it is utterly dead (and I boldly removed it from the WP:IRC page a few weeks ago -- since we removed it from our pages a while back). I'll poke User:ferret to remove the channel in a few. Keira1996 16:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Um, Keira, as someone newly returned from a wikibreak you may have overreached yourself; the Freenode IRC channel is still a hidden comment on the ombox. I don't think you should've asked Ferret to remove the channel, since you're not the lead coordinator (neither am I) :-). All the best, Miniapolis 15:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
All good, if the project ever wants one just pop in and ask. -- ferret (talk) 16:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Coordinator wikibreak[edit]

Just FYI to my fellow coordinators, I'm on a two-week wikibreak with zero WP access starting about 24 hours from this timestamp. I will be happy to calculate and give out the drive barnstars on October 5 or 6 if you're willing to wait that long after the drive. Thanks for all of your hard work! – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Enjoy the break and all the best, Miniapolis 23:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Enjoy your vacation.  – Corinne (talk) 16:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

September drive barnstars page ...[edit]

 ... is here; if someone would please give them out (I don't get one), I'd really appreciate it. For me, running the script is always a harrowing experience :-). Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 19:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I can do it. Thanks for running the script! Tdslk (talk) 00:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 Done Tdslk (talk) 00:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
FYI, double-checked the awards, gave Tdslk his leaderboard award, fixed some redlinks (awards given for October Blitz instead of September Drive), and marked awards as given on Barnstar chart. One exception: Forceradical is on Wikivacation and not re-opening his talk page until his return, which is scheduled for today, so I'll try to keep an eye on that. – Reidgreg 12:25, 3 October 2017 (UTC). Ah, forgot to double the wordcount for earning those 3 awards from blitz to drive levels. Now done. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my mess! I clearly should have paid closer attention to what I was doing. Tdslk (talk) 01:08, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Not a problem, it was just minor details. You gave the right barnstars to everyone. And some editors might have appreciated the useful links for the next blitz. – Reidgreg (talk) 08:55, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Article titles ending with parenthetic numbers have again resulted in some bad totals. With, for example, SS Bratstvo (1963) (1,397), the script used 1963 as the wordcount instead of 1397. This affected four articles, slightly inflating word counts, but not so much as to change the given awards. (I've manually fixed the counts on the barnstars page.) I'd like to take a look at the script if someone could send me a link to it. Thanks. – Reidgreg 14:39, 3 October 2017 (UTC). BTW, on the May 2017 drive there were two articles with titles like this. With one, the number from the title was used for a (slightly) inaccurate word count total; with the other, there was a "(partial count)" comment and the proper word count was used. A comment like that may provide a workaround until the script can be debugged. – Reidgreg (talk) 10:10, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to all. I had a wonderful break. Now it's time to get back to RL and dig through the piles that were waiting for me upon my return. Reidgreg, if you would like to take a look at the script, send me an e-mail message through WP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)