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WikiProject Investment[edit]

Hope to find collaboraters here for the Project!

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Best target for Colonial era?[edit]

Where should we target these: Colonial era, Colonial Era, Colonial age, Colonial Age, Age of colonialism, etc., etc.?

  • Some of these presently go to Early modern period, but it not suitable. It's extremely general, and the colonialism-related material is thin and scattered.
  • Chronology of Western colonialism#15th to 18th centuries is weak, just a list, with many iffy entries.
  • History of colonialism is too broad, topically, while its content is far too narrow (only covers Spain, Portugal, England/Great Britain, and France in any detail, and only in particular areas, and arranged by empire, not chronologically overall). It's a nice start to a general, massive topic, but needs a lot of work.
  • Colonialism is far too broad and general.
  • Age of Discovery is the best bet I see, but it's focused on European exploration not colonialism. It does weave in the latter but mostly as kind of an afterthought. It's also not clear if the timespan is right; it starts too early (or at least lacks a heading for the beginning of colonialism proper; and arguably ends either too late (after the overall thrust of most new European colonization attempts, before being restarted in a new idiom with the New Imperialism) or too early (before WWII ended New Imperialism, followed by the dissolution of the British Empire, the last of the original colonial empires, into the Commonwealth of Nations). It also just doesn't focus properly for the colonialism topic. The key date is 1402, the invasion of the Canary Islands, but this is buried, out of chronological sequence, in a subsection, where it's treated as a trivial aside, despite its tremendous importance (it was the beginning of European sugar-cane plantations in earnest, not counting abortive experiments in the Levant during the Crusades, and was one of the four main impetuses of the colonization of the Americas – sugar, silver/gold, route to Asia, Christianization – and the no. 1 driver of the African slave trade).

Writing a new article on the topic is beyond the time and focus I can commit in the foreseeable future. Maybe Age of Discovery can be rejiggered to cover the topic properly so that Colonial Age, etc., make perfect sense when redirected there.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  23:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  • All these are vague terms, very likely to occur in a more specific context. If they don't, then History of colonialism is probably best. With subsidiary articles, this gives reasonable coverage, and is already pretty long. If people really don't know what "Age of colonialism" etc refer to, this is probably more than long enough for their needs. User:SMcCandlish, what we call "colonialism" was a major feature of the Middle Ages in many areas (Poland & the Baltic area, Scotland, Iberia & so on) as well as the Crusader states. Johnbod (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Christianity and Shamanism[edit]

I have two requests here:

1. Improve the article History of Christianity

2. Make an article on History of Shamanism (Shamanism was the official religion of the Mongol empire).

--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 17:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Howdy hello Genghis! What specific improvements do you suggest/are looking for History of Christianity? The page is currently tagged as too long, and appears to have a few sections that lack sufficient citations. Is that what you're talking about? Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n! 18:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I am not so good in English. What I want to tell you is that: 1.Christianity: Please include some maps in the article, give descriptions of the political events ( virtually nothing has been mentioned ) and complete some of the important sections for example - Carolingian Renaissance, Conversion of the Scandinavians, Puritans in North America, Revivalism, Restorationism etc. ( Please raise the article to the quality of the History of Islam). 2.Shamanism: Shamanism was one of the biggest religions of the world. It was the state religion of the Mongol empire. It was the largest religion on earth before the rise of Islam and Christianity. But where is the article for Shamanism ! We have articles for Islam and Christianity but don't have article for Shamanism !! That is really unbelievable !!! That is quite unacceptable. So these are the problems. Administrators, please try to solve these problems. Complete and improve the religion based articles. And bring equilibrium to all the religions - Islam, Christianity and Shamanism.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Genghis khan2846, we have an article on Shamanism, is that kind of what you're looking for? It looks like that article could use some more information on history, do you know of any good sources (books, articles, etc.) that discuss the history of Shamanism? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
We have a whole range of articles in Category:Mongolian shamanism. Johnbod (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

No I want you to make an article with the title "History of Shamanism". I don’t understand whether you understand my language or not. I am explaining in short: From the political perspective: the Muslims have a great article: Turkic peoples, the Christians have British empire, and the Mongols have Mongol Empire. From the religious perspective: the Muslims have History of Islam, the Christians have History of Christianity, but the Mongols have no article!!! This is the problem. We feel that our religion has been ignored. I just want you to make an article on History of Shamanism. Shamanism is the third most important religion of the world !! Please try to understand this !!! Please make an article on Shamanism. And bring equilibrium to all the religions- Islam, Christianity and Shamanism.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 17:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Genghis khan2846 The great thing about Wikipedia is that it is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If you feel the encyclopedia needs an article on History of Mongolian shamanism, then you can write one. If you don't feel competent to write one, then you can go to Requested articles to request one. Either way though, regardless of whether you write it yourself or request it to be written, you need to point to reliable sources for the information. So far you seem to be asking, begging, and demanding that other people write an article about a topic which interests you and which you feel is under-covered, but you have not provided any sources. If you have sources of information and want to write an article and want help and/or advice, we can help you.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:15, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
(P.S. I wouldn't consider British empire to be an article about "the Christians".) ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I have found some online books here: Shamanic Worlds: Rituals and Lore of Siberia and Central Asia........Shamans: Siberian Spirituality and the Western Imagination........Animal and Shaman: Ancient Religions of Central Asia........Shamanism, History, and the State. You can use them as the references.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 16:20, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much administrators !!! So this is the policy of Wikipedia !!! For one last time I am explaining my reasons:

Political articles: Muslims have Turkic peoples, Christians have British Empire, Mongols have Mongol Empire

Religious articles: Muslims have History of Islam, Christians have History of Christianity, Mongols have nothing !!!

We don't have a article for our religion !!! this is such unbelievable !!! So please try to solve this problem.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 13:52, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

LISTEN to what people are saying to you! We have a whole range of articles in Category:Mongolian shamanism. Johnbod (talk) 14:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

But I want a article named "History of Shamanism". If you don't make an article called "History of Shamanism" our religion will be ignored in Wikipedia !! Why don't you understand this thing!!!

Well if you don't want to make an article on "Shamanism" you can make an article on "Tengrism". Tengrism was the Asian version of Shamanism. In the ancient age when North America was connected with Asia by the Beringia Land, Shamanism was the official religion of both the Asian and American Mongols. But then the Beringia Bridge collapsed. Over the ages the Shamanism in Asia has taken a new form. That is now known as Tengrism. Tengrism has become the official religion of the Mongol race. Tengrism was also the official religion of the Huns, the Khazars and the Turkic Khaganate. You can check out the respective articles. So if you want to make an artile on the Mongols you have to make an article on "Tengrism". Because obviously you know Tengrism is the official religion of the Mongol empire. I don't know why you don't want to make an article on Shamanism. May be because the article will be too much big. But don't worry, the article "Tengrism" will be very small. It will be very easy for you to make the article. And there will be lots of sources in internet on "Tengrism".--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

We already have articles Tngri, Arshi Tengri, Dayisun Tngri, Qormusta Tengri, and Sülde Tngri. Maproom (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Those are the name of some gods. They are not the History of Tengrism. Why are you objecting the "History of Tengrism". We are Mongols. Don't we have the right to have an article like History of Islam and History of Christianity--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

If I translate the article from some other versions of Wikipedia using the "Wikipedia translating tool" will that be acceptable?--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 20:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

That depends on if the the article you translate are using Wikipedia:RELIABLE SOURCES as defined here on english WP. If it is, that may be possible, at least partly. And please take a look at WP:INDENT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Your first article may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The sources used at Mongolian_shamanism#History may also be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

If my English is wrong will it be acceptable?--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 03:37, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Impossible to say. Based on your English in this thread, I think such errors will not be impossible to deal with, you make yourself understood without problem. If you take your time and follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Your first article, you will be working on a draft, so you will have plenty of time to make corrections and ask for input before you submit the draft for review. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Shamanism#Mongolia may also be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd suggest a userspace sandbox draft, first, since it appears English isn't your first language. That will give editors who are native speakers a chance to polish it before posting. I'd advise against relying entirely on machine translation; the draft will allow fixing translation erros, too. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 09:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on sugar industry influence on health information and guidelines[edit]

May I ask for comment on the proposed edits at Talk:Sugar#RfC on sugar industry influence on health information and guidelines? The relevant history only really goes back to the 1950s, but I think it's still in-scope here. HLHJ (talk) 01:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Historical revisionism[edit]

Articles pertaining to Horn African history are currently undergoing historical revisionism through misrepresentation of sources. I would appreciate if some more people could focus in that direction. Thylacoop5 (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Comparative research[edit]

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Years and decades in continent categories: High and Late Middle Ages[edit]

Please join this category discussion to remove the continent layer for years and decades categories in the High and Late Middle Ages: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories#Years_and_decades_in_continent_categories:_High_and_Late_Middle_Ages. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)