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deletion[edit]

Kedves projekt tagok: a véleményetek kellene ehhez a törléshez. Szeretném hangsúlyozni, hogy több ízben volt erről már vita még a magyar wikin is. Most is vannak források a személy nevezetességére, személyszerint a törlés csak egy önös akció, semmi több. Nem reklámot akarok csinálni, de sajnos ezen az oldalon millárdnyi információ fut, ezért vhogy rá kell irányítani a figyelmet. Doncsecztalk 14:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Greater Hungary vs. Hungarian revisionism[edit]

I would like to ask for your opinions here: Talk:Greater_Hungary_(political_concept)#Requested_move Fakirbakir (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Helicopters[edit]

Hello all,
Could anybody help with the Hungarian Air Force article? Some editors are changing numbers of helicopters back and forth. There are a couple of sources which are not particularly high-quality and which might be misleading or out of date. We can be confident that the air force got lots of helicopters in the past, but in the last few years some will have been put in a museum, dismantled for parts, sold, &c - so it's difficult to be confident of exact numbers now. (And if we can't trust a number, I think we should remove it from the article; others seem to disagree). Any suggestions? Can anybody get better or more recent sources?
Köszönöm - bobrayner (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic map of Hungary[edit]

There is a deletion request on wikicommon about a Hungarian ethnic map. Could you tell your opinion there? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Ethnic_map_of_11th_century.jpgFakirbakir (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Mózes_Székely[edit]

Horribly written article, it has to be reviewed TheDacian (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

RFC at Talk:History of Vojvodina[edit]

Your attention is drawn to Talk:History_of_Vojvodina#Request_For_Comment_re:_WikiProject_Banners_on_this_page. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Regency 1918-[edit]

I wish to participate in Project Hungary. At present I am concerned about a regency following the reign of Karl IV. It appears in the articles that Karl IV approved of having Mihaly Karolyi follow Karl but as prime minister. Subsequent events indicate that a resignation from Karl had not become final. It seems that Karolyi was quite well intentioned and that many of his wishes were subverted unfairly. Karolyi did not seem to be interested in dumping the Habsburgs and I fail to see why Karl von Habsburg was beng treated as an enemy by some. Opposition against the Habsburgs can help justify the North German Confederation and the Kaiserreich and I do not believe that they deserve to be justified. RCNesland (talk) 04:22, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

You are, of course, welcome to participate in the project. You are also welcome to update any article which you think needs refinement. However, be sure to cite verifiable, reliable (e.g., academic) sources, since the contents of Wikipedia must be verifiable. Unfortunately, I cannot help you regarding your observation about Mihály Károlyi, but as long as there are considerable number of reliable sources which support your argument, please, go ahead with the changes. Your contributions are appreciated. Thanks and happy editing, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 21:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

János Esterházy[edit]

His page does not demonstrate the Hungarian viewpoint properly. The article needs serious improvement. Fakirbakir (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I plan to continue contributing to that article, but quite busy at the moment. Hence, some help would indeed be appreciated, in order to ensure the balance of that article. Dr. Szent-Ivány's book about János Esterházy is freely available [1] and could be a possible source to use. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 19:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer (and for your link) :)! Fakirbakir (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
In this case, I will follow standard rules for questionable sources declaring extreme opinions and with poor verification of facts. I assume, there will not be any problem with this. Especially in regard to extreme opinions like "It has been the aim of all Czech political parties, government and exile groups to dominate Slovakia and to assimilate the Slovak people" (here) or "Not only has Slovakia been exploited economically and socially, but the Czechs have been doing everything possible to prevent Slovakia from culturally progressing at a normal pace." (here), or "Only a few Slovaks [...] took part in the uprising" (here) or "facts" like "The Slovak Peoples Party [...] embraced some 80 percent of the Slovak people (here) and many other extreme opinions and factual mistakes.--Ditinili (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
In *this* case? Which case? Anyway, you are very welcome if you take time to double-check those claims which are added to the article. This has the potential of serving as an excellent quality control. On the other hand, I do not think that you are right when you called Dr. Szent-Ivány's opinion extreme and talked about poor verification of facts (please, also see my answer on the Talk page of the article). However, if you think that his book is not reliable and should not be used on WP then, by all means, raise the issue on WP:RSN. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 17:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
In the case of *this* book. Koertefa, I quoted several sentences. I believe that it will be quite easy to reach wide consensus that these options are strongly biased, extreme and more, they are clear lies. I will be especially interested on opinion of Czech editors who will blow away these theories in minute, just by documenting how many Slovak schools and cultural institutions were built only during the first 20 years of Czechoslovakia. And if we agree that this is shining example of extreme and biased source, there is no rational reason why to use such (at least) controvert source instead of some other reliable books.-Ditinili (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG[edit]

File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately we can not use this picture without permission. Fakirbakir (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hungarophobia[edit]

Article of Hungarophobia has been recreated recently. Unfortunately a lot of text has been deleted because of POV issues. Now, the article looks like a mess. Please help to improve it. Thank you! Fakirbakir (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Military history of Hungary[edit]

This article is incoherent, chaotic and exceptionally badly written.Fakirbakir (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

WP Hungary article[edit]

FYI Ágnes Szávay diff latest nuisance after WP:TENNISNAMES2. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1526)[edit]

A proposal for size splitting of the above article has been made. All comments are welcome. Borsoka (talk) 06:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg[edit]

image:Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Radó von Kövesligethy[edit]

Another editor created Radó von Kövesligethy. An article exists in the Hungarian Wikipedia at hu:Kövesligethy Radó. I tried to improve the English article, but I don't speak Hungarian, and I don't know whether the surname should be shown as von Kövesligethy' or just as Kövesligethy. I would appreciate it if someone could look at the article and improve it. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 00:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Stephen Báthory for a GA[edit]

I am now improving this article for a GA. Any comments and assistance would be much welcome! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian language[edit]

There are two threads on the Talk page of the Hungarian language article about which I would like to ask your opinions. The first one is about the number of native speakers, while the second one is about the question whether the classification that Hungarian belongs to the Finno-Ugric group should appear (or only the statement that it is an Uralic language). Related to this, you may also want to check these comments. Thanks and cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 13:42, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia article:[edit]

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/J%C3%A1nos_Ny%C3%ADri&redirect=no

Please advise!

Thank you.

Oulipo Oui (talk) 02:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Actors with Hungarian Descent[edit]

There are a few categories for actors with Hungarian descent which are being proposed for deletion or merging. If you have an opinion, for or against, please weigh in at:
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 3#Actors of Hungarian descent
Liz Read! Talk! 14:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Wooden Belfry of Nyírbátor[edit]

Dear Hungary experts: This article, which as been submitted for review at Afc, refers back to an article in the Hungary Wikipedia, https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ny%C3%ADrb%C3%A1tori_reform%C3%A1tus_templom. When I copy the first line of the Hungarian article into Google, it comes up with multiple web sites with the same text, but I can't read them. Before reviewing the English one, I'd like to make sure that the Hungarian one is not a copyright violation, or, if so, that the English one is not a direct translation. Can someone who speaks the language help? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

At first look I would say there is no copyright violation. Actually the source of those mentioned websites seems to be the Hungarian Wikipedia. One of them even cites its source (at "Nyírbátori református templom" [2]). These websites [3] are simple travel and tourism websites. The English text is dissimilar from the Hungarian content (therefore not a direct translation). Fakirbakir (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, that helps a lot. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested article: Hungarian Civil War (1384–1394)[edit]

A red link from Greater Poland Civil War which I just created. We have the Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384), so it would be nice to complete the series of articles on the chaos in that time and place with the missing Hungarian war. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Dear Piotrus, I think that article would not be created based on reliable sources. There were a series of internal conflicts, but they could not be grouped into a civil war. Borsoka (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Hungarian historiography does not refer as "civil war" to these events. Hungarian Civil War (1440–1445), Hungarian Civil War (1526–1538) have similar problem. --Norden1990 (talk) 09:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
How does the Hungarian historiography refers to those events then? I don't think this is the term used in English literature, neither, so this red link probably needs to be removed... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know there are no separate umbrella terms for these events. Maybe trónharcok ("fights for the throne") is used, but I had to cheque it. Borsoka (talk) 03:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice to know. List of wars involving Hungary has an entry for "Civil war between a part of the Hungarian nobility and Mary, Queen of Hungary and Sigismund king", so something probably should be linked from there (one of the reasons I've created the mentioned Polish civil war article was to have something linked from the similar entry at the List of wars involving Poland). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
I found this: Horváti-párt lázadása, "Horvat Rebellion" (Horvat or Horváti was az influential noble family, see John Horvat and Paul Horvat), however this is only a short part of that conflict between Sigismund and the nobility. --Norden1990 (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Kalyi Jag[edit]

I started an article about Kalyi Jag (music group). It would be nice if someone who can read Hungarian would expand and if needed correct the article. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin[edit]

The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. Your opinions are welcomed. --Norden1990 (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

New article and move: Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos?[edit]

If possible, some opinions on the talk page of this new article would help, concerning a move from Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos. Thanks, M∧Ŝc2ħεИτlk 06:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

viktatúra / Victatorship[edit]

Hi there!

I've attempted to add an article to clarify the new upcoming term "Viktatúra" - "Victatorship", but my post was immediately deleted by user "Pagony".

Since I was simply notified that my article would be vandalism, due to being useless, pointless ("értelmetlen"), I've attempted to clarify if the issue at hand was related to thematics or style. Unfortunately, the reply received, "Encyclopedy, wikipedia is." failed to answer my query. Without taking a path to an argument with user Pagony, I hoped the community could clarify why the term "victatorship" would be, if at all, unacceptable in Wikipedia. I did remind user above that there are many terms in the Hungarian, as well as in the English language that derived from merging other terms or referring to leaders with significance. ie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism etc similarly as the term mentioned above: refers to the institutional system applied and practised by the Hungarian government, led by Viktor Orban. I do not think, I, or either of us are here to judge the rightfulness of the act or even the meaning of the term, all we ought to do, is to present objectively and describe what it means, potentially, with appropriate reasoning.

I do realise, that my article needs further work, and that is the main reason I also rely on the wikipedia community to add details and work on the article, however that is subject to appearing at least.

Now referring to all mentioned above, please, do let me know, if I'm lost here, and do not hesitate to clarify if I am misunderstanding something.

many thanks

PA (talk) 16:05, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me that a major problem with your page Viktatúra is that's it's not in English. Try putting it in the Hungarian version of Wikipedia Nigej (talk) 16:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

List of rulers of Hungary[edit]

I would like to ask for your votes: Talk:List of rulers of Hungary#Requested move. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Elizabeth of Bosnia FAC[edit]

Last month I nominated the article about the Hungarian queen Elizabeth of Bosnia for FA status, but it has not attracted enough reviewers yet. Elizabeth, who ended up losing her head, governed Hungary during one of the most unstable periods in its history - unstable mostly because she and the monarch for whom she ruled were women. The article (rated GA) is of great interest to WikiProject Hungary, and I would be very grateful if a member of this WikiProject commented on the nomination. Surtsicna (talk) 13:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Subdivisions of Hungary[edit]

More input needed at Talk:Subdivisions of Hungary#Requested_move, where there s a debate between only 2 editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian names[edit]

Sorry is there a specific WP:Naming conventions (Hungary) or WP:Hungarian names somewhere? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ugh. The question goes deeper, there seems to be some kind of Hungarian-Slovak edit war going on behind Talk:Sámuel Mikoviny. Can someone please help finding the relevant MOS guideline. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian Turanism[edit]

Hungarian Turanism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) could use some eyes, see the comments on the talk page (and indeed on my talk page). Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

The edit-warring at this article is reaching farcical proportions. It is tagged as of interest to this project. Could we see a bit of 'interest' please? RashersTierney (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hungarians in Serbia[edit]

Hello!

Here is this recently created article, which is a clear duplication of the Hungarians in Vojvodina article. I've suggested to merge it into the well-developed main article. Your opinion is welcomed. — Thehoboclown (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Magyaro Airlines - hoax?[edit]

Can someone verify this? I cannot find anything by Googling for [" Magyaro Airlines" -wikipedia], including the company's webpage ([4]). If this is not a hoax, this looks like a very suspicious company... and one that may have trouble passing WP:CORP. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems to be a hoax. I have found nothing about this "company". Fakirbakir (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Agree, hoax. --Norden1990 (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Rába (company)[edit]

Article of Raba would need serious improvement. Actually the topic of the Hungarian automotive industry is mostly missing from English Wikipedia (IMO). Fakirbakir (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Two lists[edit]

Why are there two separate lists? According to the second article, "The borders of Hungary have changed substantially in the past century." The borders of Poland/Russia (Russian Empire, Soviet Russia, Soviet Union, Russian Federation) also changed "substantially in the past century", but there is no a separate article, named "List of Polish/Russian people who were born outside present-day [borders of] Poland/Russia." This is absurd, i think we sould merge them.--Rovibroni (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

That is a good point. Fakirbakir (talk) 20:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyright concerns related to your project[edit]

This notice is to advise interested editors that a Contributor copyright investigation has been opened which may impact this project. Such investigations are launched when contributors have been found to have placed copyrighted content on Wikipedia on multiple occasions. It may result in the deletion of images or text and possibly articles in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations. The specific investigation which may impact this project is located here.

All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to CCI clean up. There are instructions for participating on that page. Additional information may be requested from the user who placed this notice, at the process board talkpage, or from an active CCI clerk. Thank you. MER-C 04:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I should add that many of the copyright violations in this case result from direct translations of non-free Hungarian-language sources into English. In order to identify these problems (of which there could be as many as 1500) we're in great need of editors with proficiency in both Hungarian and English. If you can read Hungarian, please consider volunteering some time at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990 and Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990 2 to check some articles. Instructions are given at the top of the former page, though of course feel free to ask on the talk page if you have any questions about the procedure. Thanks! —Psychonaut (talk) 07:48, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Who decides what counts as "direct translation"? "Direct translation" is a non-existent thing because English and Hungarian are entirely different languages (IMHO, I am not a linguist)....Fakirbakir (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
When a work is translated, the copyright of the original persists in the translation. Thus, whenever freely licensed text is translated into English here, we are required to respect the terms of the licence (such as giving due credit), and whenever non-free text is translated, it needs to be removed as a copyright violation. See Derivative work, Wikipedia:Translation, and Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Translating for further details.
Admittedly, it is not always apparent whether a given text is a translation of a foreign-language original, or simply relies on it as a reference. In such cases many of the guides and principles from Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing can be applied or adapted to assess the text.
The translations involved in this contributor copyright investigation, however, are very clear-cut: entire documents have been slavishly translated sentence by sentence, with practically no edition whatsoever. That is, material is almost never omitted, reordered, or synthesized with facts from other sources; all the facts and arguments, and their order of presentation, are faithfully preserved in every respect except the language of communication. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Do we know that those CVs published on the website of the Parliament are protected? Are we sure that the transformation of CVs into biographies qualifies as an infridgement of the copyright? Borsoka (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
To answer your first question: Every modern text is presumptively copyrighted with all rights reserved from the moment of creation, so any time we wish to use third-party text on Wikipedia the onus is on us to show otherwise. In this case the contributor hasn't provided any evidence that the text was freely licensed or in the public domain, despite multiple requests which have been left unanswered for two weeks. I (and presumably User:MER-C and other administrators involved in this case) tried to independently confirm whether the text might be freely licensed or in the public domain by consulting the source website and the applicable laws of concerning government publications. There was no indication on the parlament.hu website that the MP biographies are free content, and while Hungarian law does provide that certain government publications are not subject to copyright, this appears to apply only to legal promulgations such as legislation and court rulings. (In any case, at least some of biographies look to be provided by the MPs themselves in a personal capacity.) If you are able to provide evidence that the biographies in question are free content, then please do so, as this will resolve a number of the cases without us having to delete any content. (Note, however, that this won't solve all the cases, as there are many others where substantial amounts of English text have been copied verbatim, with neither permission nor attribution.)
To answer your second question: "Transformation" of CVs into biographies may or may not constitute copyright infringement; it depends entirely on the nature and extent of the transformation. There is nothing wrong with taking a CV in one language and using the facts it contains to produce a biography in another language. Again, the cases we are seeing here are superficial, with large blocks of prose taken from Hungarian CVs and translated sentence by sentence into equivalent prose in English. That is, it's not just the facts which are being copied but also the manner and order in which they're presented, modulo the change in language. Again, our article on derivative works is useful here and covers translation. —Psychonaut (talk) 08:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

I propose that List of Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary be merged into List of Hungarians. See: [5]. --Rovibroni (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Peer review: Hunyadi family[edit]

Comments and suggestions would be appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 05:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Romania (political concept)[edit]

Would you please tell us your opinion on this matter? All comments are welcome.Fakirbakir (talk) 08:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for move[edit]

Editors are invited to express their opinions at Talk:Greater_Hungary_(political_concept)#Requested_move_.282.29 Avpop (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence![edit]

Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence!Regards, Emoke Abasari — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.239.111 (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

It's true, so deleted. --Rakás (talk) 12:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014[edit]

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Europe may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 09/06[edit]

Draft:Dömötör Tower. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

The article already existed at Dömötör Tower. I've fixed it up, but if anyone has anything else to add (like good English language references), it would certainly help. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Hungary At Wikimania 2014[edit]

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

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Adikhajuria (talk) 14:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Monarch categorization[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was separate into sub-categories. (I will use a bot to move all the contents and then tidy up afterwards.) – Fayenatic London 21:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Should articles in Category:Hungarian monarchs be separated into Category:Kings of Hungary, Category:Queens regnant of Hungary, and other subcategories to bring them in line with France and the British Isles? Chris Troutman (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The proposal is mine, but Chris Troutman has suggested on my talk page that this change could be opportune. I created the category Category:Kings of Hungary while having the pattern Category:Kings of France. The supercategory is Category:European kings. I also created Category:Queens regnant of Hungary which is a subcat of Category:Queens regnant (similarly to Category:Queens regnant in the British Isles).
Besides the above indicated subcategories, Category:Magyar tribal chieftains and Category:Grand Princes of the Hungarians (not created yet) should also be included in Category:Hungarian monarchs.
I'd like to invite User:Borsoka, User:Fakirbakir and User:Koertefa to this discussion PersecutedUser (talk) 05:51, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Support. I think the above would be a logical approach. Borsoka (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Andras Schiff[edit]

Dear Fellows I shortened the article about Andras Schiff. Two readers, TDH3 and DavidCane deleted my revision.

"(cur | prev) 14:40, 24 June 2014‎ Musicus2 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,422 bytes) (-3,037)‎ . . ("The goal of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedic information source adhering to a NEUTRAL point of view", "It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that material posted on Wikipedia is not DEFAMATORY".) (undo) (cur | prev) 21:32, 24 June 2014‎ THD3 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (13,459 bytes) (+3,037)‎ . . (Undid revision 614233939 by Musicus2 (talk) There was nothing defamatory and Wikipedia is not censored.) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 23:07, 27 June 2014‎ Musicus2 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,422 bytes) (-3,037)‎ . . (Undid revision 614279585 by THD3 (talk) I undid your revision: Biography: 26 lines, Awards: 14 lines, Political views 20 (!) lines. I shortened this, 4 lines is enough! See Adam Fischer.) (undo) (cur | prev) 14:03, 28 June 2014‎ DavidCane (talk | contribs)‎ . . (13,459 bytes) (+3,037)‎ . . (Undid revision 614696545 by Musicus2 (talk) - please don't remove valid information or sign your edits on the page) (undo | thank)

I join you my private letter to Mr Cane.

Dear Mr Cane I shortened the article about 'Andras Schiff' because his political views were detailed too longish. Schiff is not a politician, he is one of the greatest living pianists of the world. The proportions of the article before my action were the following: biography: 26 lines, awards: 14 lines, political views 20 (!) lines. Is this all right? I think not. I shortened the section "political views" to 4 lines without changing its essence. I wrote the similar letter to THD3. Maybe, all the information I deleted are valid, but unnecessary. He is 60 now and the shortened section concern to his last 3 years (on 16 lines!). Please read the article about Adam Fischer conductor whose political views are the same as Schiff's. His political views are detailed in 4 lines. If you agree, please restore my modification. If not, I give you gladly more informations about this story. Best wishes Istvan Kassai pianist kassaipiano@gmail.com kassai-istvan.hu

I ask you to restore my revision, please. Please feedback my letter to my mail address above. Kindest regards István Kassai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicus2 (talkcontribs) 10:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Occupation of Southern Slovakia[edit]

Hello!

I've just raised some issues on the talk page of the Occupation of Southern Slovakia article. I'd be happy if you could share your views and help to solve the issues. Thank you! – Thehoboclown (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion about it here: Talk:First Vienna Award#Life in the annexed territory -.3E New article Fakirbakir (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Matthias Corvinus/archive1[edit]

Any comments, suggestions are welcome. Borsoka (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses[edit]

Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 07:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

FAC:Stephen I of Hungary[edit]

Could anyone assist in fixing this problem? I had no literature on this specific topic (St Stephen in arts). Előre is köszönet. Borsoka (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

St. Stephen in the Hungarian poetry, perhaps useful. Otherwise the section's second paragraph is well-sourced, there is no need to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.162.141 (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Gyula Gömbös Edits POV/Anti-Semitic?[edit]

I'm concerned about edits made to Gyula Gömbös by 78.92.108.24. I'm no expert on Gömbös and both sources are in Hungarian which I don't read, but these edits have the subtle appearance of being a POV defense or whitewashing of Gömbös. I even find some of the edits subtly anti-Semitic in themselves. The fact that these are the only edits made by an editor with no username or profile makes me even more suspicious.

Here are the quotes pertaining to Jews.

"Gömbös also supported certain political actions against Hungary’s Jews, having noted that Kun and many of the ministers in his Communist government were Jews. There was widespread sentiment in the country that the Jews were the primary backers of Communism."

"The Jewish leadership under Stem and Szanto supported the appointment of Gömbös and his programs in exchange for Gömbös promising not to enact any anti-Jewish laws and through his policies does not cause economic harm to the Jews. Gömbös kept his promise, and did not enact any anti-Jewish laws and his economic programs were favorable to the mercantile interests."

I'm afraid I don't have time to pursue this further at the moment, but I at least wanted to call attention to these concerns.Hirschjoshua (talk) 03:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

[edit]

Dear Editors,

I came across the page of Hungarian National Bank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_National_Bank). The bank has changed its English name and logo after the recent (1st October 2013) merger with the Hungarian Financial Supervisory Authority. The new name according to its own website (http://english.mnb.hu/) is "The Central Bank of Hungary". Shouldn't be the page renamed accordingly?

Regards, Ariel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariel.hartung (talkcontribs) 09:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

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"Hungarian Improved"[edit]

FYI, the usage of "Hungarian Improved" is up for discussion, see Talk:Dutch Landrace -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 06:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention[edit]

This is a notice about Category:Hungary articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes[edit]

Views welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes - a 1930s actress with several seemingly significant roles. however the article is largely unsourced - anyone have a view on Szepes' significance to Hungarian cinema? -- Euryalus (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on a Hungarian rail line proposed for deletion[edit]

Copied from WT:TWP
Nyiregyháza-Záhony railway is unreferenced and in poor English. Can anyone supply sources and fix it up? Mjroots (talk) 06:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Márton-nap[edit]

Ha a közelgő ünnep alkalmából valakinek kedve támadna kiegészíteni a St. Martin's Day cikket magyar vonatkozásokal, annak ajánlom figyelmébe a nemrég megírt hu:Márton-napi népszokásokat. --Rlevente (talk) 16:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Help needed[edit]

Could anyone tell me if there is a Hungarian article equivalent for Battle of Zlatica? Uhlan talk 21:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

No equivalent for. --Rakás (talk) 13:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Help and new member[edit]

Hi. I would like to be a new member of the Wikiproject Hungary. I am new here and I also need some help how to create picture etc. Thank you very much your help. I speak Hungarian and English. User : Benlovas

Notability check at Draft:Erno Polgar[edit]

This draft has lingered in the AFC queue; can anyone take a look and either use the AFC tools to accept or deny it, or if you prefer just type a comment at the top (it's a draft, it's fine) letting later reviewers know your expert opinion as to whether this article should publish? I can't read Hungarian so note sure what to make of this guy's Notability. Link: Draft:Erno Polgar. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Erno Polgar hungarian writer is a nobility person, famous jewish writer. Peter Weisz President https://www.facebook.com/BimaBarankovicsIzraelitaMuhely

BIMA Jewish Workshop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Erno Polgar is a famous contemporary person and writer, the article about him can publish. Dr. Aldref Schöner rector of the Jewish University (Budapest)

http://hegedus.bzsh.hu/web/index.php/magunkrol/koerzetuenk-mveszei.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Erno Polgar excellent person and writer in Hungary" M/S Piroska Keri President of the Belletrist Association http://www.szepiroktarsasaga.hu/tagjaink/Polgár_Ernô  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC) 
Erno Polgar is a famous writer in Hungary.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimarta47 (talkcontribs) 18:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC) 
Erno Polgar is a well-know man, writer...the article about him is all right, please your kind helps and to publish it!188.143.109.56 (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC) Szász Kati
Erno Polgar is a Notability person, writer, he has written many excellent books.08.12.2014.Jávorszky Edit  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.33.150 (talk) 08:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC) 

Ernő Polgár is a well known writer in Hungary - has received for his anti racist principles - the Radnóti Anti-Racism Award 2014. The readers can find the different manifestations of the anti-Semitism in his works. Ernő Polgar's philosophy is, “the measure of the civilization are the respect for ancestors and humanism.” Tamas Barat President of the Radnóti Anti-Racism Award Foundation User:TomBarat

Ernő Polgar a broad-minded unbiased writer, he does not say more than he thinks. 

He does not fake it and try to make it appear, to himself or the reader, that there is a coherent and probable whole when there isn't, has new insights.He is natural skeptics and think of things from their reader’s point of view.He strives to explain, to make things a little bit clearer, to make sense of our world and tells a full story,roots out opposing viewpoints.

Adrienne Vadon (Vienna, Austria) https://www.xing.com/profile/Adrienne_Vadon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Peer review: Hungarian prehistory[edit]

All comments here would be appreciated. Thank you, Borsoka (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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Stephen I of Hungary[edit]

The "Artistic representation" part of the article is still contains unreferenced text. I am not an expert in this field, but the fact that no references to reliable sources have been added for several years to this part of the article suggests that that part is not notable. During the second FAC, this issue has again raised. I suggest that that part of the article should be deleted if we cannot find proper references before the end of the FAC. Borsoka (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Nyíregyháza[edit]

Please see Talk:Nyíregyháza#Religions, Churches. There are problems with the English, and not just in that section.

I don't know Hungarian, but I'm interested in this article because my grandfather on my father's side was said to have come from a small town near Nyíregyháza, before WWI. To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. --Thnidu (talk) 08:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Seeking for comments[edit]

Has anybody heard of the independent County of Csesznek and of the hereditary Wildgraves of Bakony? I think the two articles should be deleted, because they contain OR and speculation. Borsoka (talk) 05:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Szeklerland / More opinions needed[edit]

Could you tell your opinion about this matter? [6] Thank You! Fakirbakir (talk) 07:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Article request: Ottó Herman[edit]

Ottó Herman, Hungarian naturalist, archaeologist, and politician, currently lacks an article on English Wikipedia, although he has articles on several non-English Wikis, and a Featured Article on Hungarian Wikipedia: see Herman Ottó. It appears most of the biographical sources are in Hungarian, so if someone fluent enough to translate could at least make half as good an article, it would be a great contribution to English Wikipedia (I really want to read it!). Note we have already have Ottó Herman Museum, and a nicely curated Commons category at Commons:Category:Ottó Herman. I don't speak or read a bit of Hungarian, but I'd be willing to help find sources. All the best, --Animalparty-- (talk) 04:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Update: I've found a few English articles to start a stub, but it still appears the bulk of authoritative source material is in Hungarian. All are welcome to contribute! --Animalparty-- (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Wildgraves of Bakony[edit]

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The article Wildgraves of Bakony has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is no reliable source for the very existence of this hereditary title of Hungarian nobility.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

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Proposed deletion of County of Csesznek and Milvány[edit]

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The article County of Csesznek and Milvány has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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genus vs gens[edit]

I may have been over-hasty. Unfamiliar with Hungary, I happened upon one article that confused the Latin words genus (pl. genera) and gens (pl. gentes), and 'corrected' it. Then looking at its category I see there are dozens of Hungarian "genera". Please advise: is genus standard usage for a Hungarian analogue of Roman gens? —Tamfang (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Unreferenced villages[edit]

In November 2006 a user bulk created a few hundred articles on Hungarian towns and villages. You can find them under Category:Populated_places_in_Hungary_by_county. They were created without references, and most remain unreferenced today. After eight years they are some of the oldest unreferenced articles out there. Most of them are well referenced on the Hungarian Wikipedia. Does anyone have the time and ability to work on cleaning these up? - SimonP (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Should Kingdom of Hungary be a child category of History of Romania?[edit]

With User:Redbluelighting I've had a discussion here among others about the question whether Category:Kingdom of Hungary should be a child category of Category:History of Romania (and more generally whether Kingdom of Hungary should be a child category of the history of all of Hungary's surrounding countries). The discussion hasn't led to consensus between the two of us. Could you please share your opinion on this issue at the talk page of WP:Romania? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hungarian and Serbian as minority languages in Pannonian Croatia[edit]

You might be interested to share your oppinions on requested comments I made last month on article Minority language in order to solve issue of minority languages in ifnoboxes on articles of municipalities and towns in Croatia (Hungarian language Wikipedia policy might be affected in articles like Kneževi Vinogradi). I think that your involvement can help to overcome the fictitious conflict made by an editor that insists on eliminating co-official minority names (covered by sources) from articles by the claim that WP Croatia has a consensus to eliminate them from articles. I do not know anything about such a consensus and I think that he present his biased opinion as project position. Still, your involvement would be benefitial. You can take part in conversation here: Talk:Minority language#Minority languages ​​in geographical articles.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Ladislaus I of Hungary: peer review[edit]

All comments and suggestions are welcome here. Thank you for your time in advance. Borsoka (talk) 03:51, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Hungarian nationalism[edit]

This article has been a stub since it's inception almost four years ago. Does anyone want to help expand it? Charles Essie (talk) 00:49, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Iuliu Barátky listed at Requested moves[edit]

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'Hungarian rock' - new articles for worldwide - request![edit]

Hungarian rock music is desperately underrepresented in international music genre articles, because of the lack of links and sub- and subarticle chains. Further articles related to 'Hungarian rock' would be very important, to make Hungarian artists available from international music genre articles, like 'Alternative rock'. A key important article would be eg. 'Hungarian alternative rock'. On this branch the following articles should be created:

  • 'Alternative rock' > new section should be created: 'East-European Alternative Rock'
  • 'East-European Alternative Rock' > new article should be created, indcluding a section of 'Hungarian Alternative Rock', with 'Main Article: Hungarian Alternative Rock' link
  • 'Hungarian alternative rock > new article should be created with subgenres
  • existing Hungarian alternative subgenres articles shoud be link into 'Hungarian alternative rock' article, if needed (eg. Indie rock)
  • 'Hungarian punk rock' > new article should be created

Hungarians of the World! Start the work! --Harom65 (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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Peer review: Kingdom of Hungary (1000-1301) [edit]

All comments, suggestions are welcome here. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thousands of Hungarian cityscape and other images may be deleted from Commons[edit]

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Two_weeks_to_save_freedom_of_panorama_in_Europe. I think it is an item of major interest to the editors interested in this WikiProject. The (very underestimated) counts for how many images may be affected have been posted to commons:Commons_talk:Freedom_of_Panorama_2015#numbers. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)