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Canadian Indian residential school system page[edit]

Hello, everyone. I invite you to visit the Canadian Indian residential school system's Talk page where I have started a discussion about developing the page to increase its current C-Class rating to Good article status. Suggestions for improvement, editing assistance and general feedback are all very much welcome. --Dnllnd (talk) 13:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Reassessment of page[edit]

Hi, again. After some extensive editing, I'm hoping that the page can be reassessed. I've added it to the B-class assessment request list, but I can't tell if that's still being used based on the dates of the other entries..? Is there a more appropriate place to request that the page be reviewed? Thank you! --Dnllnd (talk) 00:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Indigenous women & Polar women editathons[edit]

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You are invited...
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Indigenous women editathon & Polar women editathon
Hosted by Women in Red - August 2016 - #wikiwomeninred

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Talk:John Two-Hawks#Recent edits[edit]

Thoughts? Tangentially related to how non-Native musicians who play Native-style instruments or in Native genres get categorized and written about on WP. - CorbieV 22:51, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

More of the usual... sigh. Plastic shamans and culture vultures. I commented there. Montanabw(talk) 04:34, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Paula Underwood[edit]

Somehow this non-Native's changing backstory went unnoticed as she morphed from the white descendant of settler colonists in the Midwest to an Oneida clan mother, even being included on some Native authors lists. She wrote lots of fiction about her fictional "Indian Chief" ancestor, when her actual ancestors were Indian-killers. Looks like we might have another Education of Little Tree situation. Though, granted, without the drama of the KKK and the segregationist speechwriting, so at least there's that. *smh* - CorbieV 23:46, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Pee Dee people[edit]

Could anyone look over Pee Dee people? A user who apparently belongs to the Beaver Creek Indian Tribe is deleting cited information. Thanks, Yuchitown (talk) 03:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

At this second, almost all the material except one paragraph is cited by secondary published sourced, but more eyes are always welcome, since this will assuredly change. Yuchitown (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown
Most tenacious editor ever. On a daily basis this editor continues to delete cited information (for instance, the fact that Pedees owned African-American slaves). The thing is, there is barely any recorded, historical information about Pedees from which to choose. If anyone else could look at this article occasionally, that would be fantastic. Although this editor keeps deleting material, Wikipedia is supposed to be be uncensored. Yuchitown (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown
I initially reverted the edit-warrior, but have self-reverted in case administrative action is called for. I don't have time to get up to speed on the entire situation right now, but am certainly open to suggestions. They look to me to be a SPA here to advance the agenda of heritage groups that want to misrepresent themselves as recognized tribes. Nothing new; probably one of the IPs or rednames we've dealt with before has made another account. - CorbieV 19:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
P.S. Final warning given to the edit-warring SPA. Will block if behaviour resumes. Semi-ed Pee Dee and Beaver Creek (Extended Confirmed req.). Someone else should do Extended Confirmed on Echota if that becomes a problem (best if it's someone other than me as I've edited it in the past and reverted the SPA once under this current account of theirs; I assume I've probably reverted them extensively in the past, as well). - CorbieV 20:20, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Sa la k'adita. Thanks, it didn't seem correct that whomever is the most persistent reverter prevails, which it probably why I stuck with it. Yuchitown (talk) 22:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

Could use more eyes on Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama. Looks like our edit-warrior has no interest in going for consensus. If it was on an article I hadn't edited I'd block them now per WP:SPA and WP:NOTHERE. But will need another admin on this one. - CorbieV 23:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

WikiCon North America[edit]

Hi gang, I'm pinging everyone here because October 11, 2016 is Indigenous Peoples' Day and occurs during WikiCon North America, set to be held in San Diego. We are looking at using some of Monday to do programming specific to Indigenous people. I'm on the committee, and thought I'd post here for folks to provide any guidelines or advice to the organizers, and particularly if they have any suggestions for presenters who are relatively close to San Diego or have any general do's or don'ts. Montanabw(talk) 03:56, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Spider Grandmother[edit]

An IP is I think trying to improve the article but the sources are all over the place. The latest is this - I don't think we should be using such sources. Better than the last perhaps which was just woowoo, but still.... Thanks. Doug Weller talk 20:42, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Standing Rock/Dakota Access pipeline issue[edit]

Wonder if the Bakken pipeline section on the protests should be expanded. Could also possibly add material to Standing_Rock_Indian_Reservation#Dakota_Access_Pipeline and watchlist ReZpect our Water.Montanabw(talk) 09:35, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Don't know about this one[edit]

I tossed the prod tag to take some time to consider this article, but is Melvin Coombs notable enough to pass GNG? Claim is to be a powwow dancer and victim of a crime. Thoughts? Montanabw(talk) 22:31, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Sweat lodge#Systemic Bias issues[edit]

Could use more eyes on this. Also discussed here: Sweat Lodge WP Tag. Thanks. - CorbieV 01:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

For your consideration[edit]

Inspired by @Gandydancer:'s work fleshing out and sourcing the ReZpect our Water article, I wanted a suitable award to present. As a wikiproject, we can create a barnstar that we award for work on our WikiProject, or work of substantial interest to members of our WikiProject. It's been awhile since I've designed one of these, but here's an initial effort:

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The Frybread Barnstar is hereby awarded to Gandydancer for their work on the ReZpect our Water article. Mni Wiconi! - CorbieV 21:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
LOL! So long as we have a Nixon in China situation (native person created the frybread barnstar!) I'm good! Montanabw(talk) 00:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

For it to be added to the page as a project barnstar, we'd have to have at least a few more people say they'd like us to have a project barnstar. It doesn't even have to be this one. I asked a few friends for ideas and feedback, too. This is what we came up with. - CorbieV 21:08, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


Oh dear. - CorbieV 21:03, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Gates P. Thruston[edit]

Gates P. Thruston wrote several books about the indigenous peoples of the South, especially Tennessee. Perhaps some of you can expand the article. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:40, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Smithsonian article[edit]

Doesn't look like they reached out to anyone here to write this article, "Wikipedia Wants You to Improve Its Coverage of Indigenous Peoples". Actually, I think WIkipedia has excellent coverage of Native peoples and topics compared to the rest of the web. I use reference material about Native peoples from Wikipedia on a daily basis. But perhaps someone can comment on the article and steer them here to this WikiProject? (Or is that a bad idea?) Yuchitown (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

I am on the committee for the conference, actually, but I am not sure who initiated the article... but please do see the activities for Monday, October 10 at the wikiconference: . I guess my take is that "excellent compared to the rest of the web" is ... sad but true. Montanabw(talk) 23:55, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Please also see the original article, It's a little clearer. The Smithsonian apparently did a revision based upon the original. (And so, OK, let's do the article on Esther Belin then...) Montanabw(talk) 00:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I know Esther; I like and admire her very much, but is she truly notable by Wikipedia standards? Yuchitown (talk) 02:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

As to whether or not it's good to direct ICT readers here... I don't know. I routinely direct Natives and clued-in supporters here. ICT gets a ton of comments, both on their site and on their FB page, from non-Natives who tend to be pretty clueless, though. I don't know to what extent that indicates their readership or those who are motivated to log in and post. They also get trolled a lot by racists. I'm on the fence about advertising the Wikiproject there. Oh, I did claim the shortcut WP:NDN for us. ;) - CorbieV 21:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Harry Behn[edit]

A number of the claims here really strain credulity and need checking/sourcing. I think we have a case here of some tall tales used to sell screenplays. I came across this one due to this photo. Maybe those guys are Blackfoot, but due to his work in the film industry, and some easily-spotted inaccuracies in his stories and photos, I see red flags that these might have been staged with actors. Or, in the cases where these folks look and maybe were Blackfoot, that these photos do not actually portray what they're being represented as. - CorbieV 00:56, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Looking a bit deeper, it turns out the sole source for the claims is an unpublished memoir by a family member. This is how it is cited in the references section: "Rememberings, by Alice Lawrence Behn Goebel, edited by Pamela Behn Adam. Published privately, 1983[?]." 'Privately Published' family memoir usually means, 'Xeroxed a few copies for family and friends.' I'm going to cut all of it. Here's the link to the version with it all before the cuts. Probably the IP and account who added it will revert so you'll get a chance to see it even without the diff:[1]. I am shocked by the stuff people will believe. "I lived with the Indians I met in the park for a whole month. The whole tribe adopted me, made me their chief, and named me 'Big Wolf Medicine.'" *smh* - CorbieV 02:07, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of List of honorary Native Americans for deletion[edit]

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