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Tagging redirect pages[edit]

Since we updated the category system, I was occasionally tagging WP Insects redirect pages with WP Insects tags and the various scientifically pertinent redirect codes, such as {{R from alternative scientific name|insect}}, similar to how WP Plants does it. @Shyamal: expressed some concern about this course of action and recommended a general discussion. My thought was that the tagging of redirects with WP insects, combined with classifying the redirects might make them searchable (eg. find all monotypic taxon redirects for WP insects). Thoughts? M. A. Broussard (talk) 09:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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There are 3 types of edits to consider with regard to redirects: 1) adding project banner to redirect talk pages 2) adding templates that categorize the type/purpose of the redirect (e.g. alternative scientific) 3) adding conventional categories.
The vast majority of organism related redirects don't have project banners on their talk pages. Wikipedia:WikiProject Turtles is a notable exception, with almost 2000 redirects tagged for the project (representing almost 2/3 of all pages tagged for turtles). There were two of us who were doing some work put the project banner on plant related redirects. I basically only have done it in two cases; redirects due to monotypy (in theory these could be turned into articles) and redirects from scientific names to common names (with ~99% of plant articles at scientific names, it made sense to me to tag the handful of scientific names that weren't article titles). For a while I was removing banners from pages that were turned into redirects (e.g., when a species got sunk into synonymy), but I got some flak for that. While there doesn't seem to be much consensus to add project banners to redirects, removing them isn't uncontroversial either.
Overall, I'm not sure that the benefits in adding project banners to redirects justify the work involved. There are several tools and reports that depend on project banners, but they generally don't work with redirects, or redirects are irrelevant to their function. The Article Alert report does work with redirects, but was recently upgdated so that it follows the redirect to its target to alert the appropriate projects; as long as the target has the project banner it's not necessary to tag redirects for Article Alert purposes. Tagging redirects does have some use for searching and meta-categorization, but that functionality can be approximated with redirect categorization templates.
Adding redirect categorization templates is not at all controversial. The link to how WP Plants does it captures the major rcat templates for organism related redirects. In the past year and half, support has been added for subcategorization. Plants, fungi and spiders have been spun off into their own subcategories. If there is sufficient interest, subcategories for other groups of organisms could be added (it certainly doesn't hurt to include |insect in {{R from alternative scientific name}}, even though it doesn't do anything at the moment).
Without a subcategory, it's not easy to search for say, monotypic insect taxa redirects, unless they have the talk page tagged with the project banner. But with a subcategory, there's no need to have the talk pages tagged for these searches.
If you do want subcategories it would probably be good to figure out in advance how many you want. Will "insect" be sufficient, or would "ant", "hymenoptera", "beetle" and "lepidoptera" also be desired (I'm not sure it should get broken down any more finely then the existing taskforces and subprojects).
Finally (and this is sort of a different topic), adding regular categories to redirects is usually discouraged, but there are some exceptions. The species described in year categories are intended to hold just species, not genera. For a monotypic genus, the year category should go on the species redirect. Plantdrew (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

My comment got pretty long, so I've collapsed it and will summarize. I've added WikiProject banners to the talk pages of some redirects, but I'm not really sure it's worth the effort. I do think adding redirect categorization templates (such as {{R from alternative scientific name}} is worthwhile, but I don't like doing so when it dumps everything into a massive category with fishes, birds, insects, etc. all intermingled. And it seems especially silly to add a talk page banner to flag one group of organisms in the intermingled category; better to set up subcategories. Support for subcategories can be added if there is sufficient interest in making use of them. If there is interest, insect editors should figure what subcategories they want. Just "insects", or also "beetles", "lepidoptera", "hymenoptera", "ants" to correspond to existing task forces and subprojects? Plantdrew (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately it is not just redirects relating to taxonomy but includes speedy deletions, spelling variations and other kinds of redirects including those to specific sections. The one I did not see much point in was wasp facts redirecting to wasp (diff). I would certainly agree that it is not worth the effort. (It could be automated at some point if absolutely needed by duplicating the banners on the redirection target.) Shyamal (talk) 12:53, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Tools for exporting AntCat references[edit]

antcat.org book and journal references can be exported on the reference's details page (expand the reference by clicking on it and follow the linked id to the details page, then click on 'Export' --> 'Wikipedia'; example reference, output). WP:COI/humblebrag notice: I made this.

For {{AntCat}} (based on cite web), see Template:AntCat/doc for a bookmarklet that can generate these.

Ping ant people: Kevmin, Burklemore1.

jonkerztalk 02:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

This makes life much easier, thanks for notifying! Burklemore1 (talk) 07:10, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Euryomma (fly)[edit]

Hi insect lovers (I'm not :-P ), I added 7 species to the list of this genus and a link to the publication. I don't have access to the full article and those criminals ask me to pay 50 dollars to see it (scientific pubs should be available for free; they are paid for already by tax money), anyone who has access to the pub can help out on especially the Euryomma muisca (named after and linked on Muisca people) please? Thanks in advance, good day, Tisquesusa (talk) 12:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Pdf request[edit]

Does anyone have access to the type description for Ceratomyrmex that they could pass to me? Thanks!!--Kevmin § 15:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

@Kevmin: In case you haven't found it yet, it's now available on ResearchGate. jonkerztalk 19:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing tags for Hymenoptera articles[edit]

I'm not sure what's gone on, but I was just checking the Hymenoptera task force articles, and there are fewer than I remember. A while ago, I filed a bot request, and thought that at least 1,000 articles were tagged due to this (the reduplicative Megachile articles are 1,500+ by themselves). Does anyone remember what the Hymenoptera task force totals were? I've been finding a lot of untagged articles while going through WP Vespidae's old stuff, and realized that there are still hundreds of articles in the Hymenoptera category tree not currently tagged with the task force. No page history I've looked at shows that the categories were removed. Ideas? M. A. Broussard (talk) 22:17, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I can't recall anything that should have done this when I was retagging a lot of WikiProject Insect articles at least. That being said, I wouldn't mind taking on adding the taskforce to articles that don't have it listed yet since it looks like a good AWB canddiate. Are there easily accessible lists of articles that should be included for the taskforce? I shouldn't have any issue adding a blank importance template, and someone can come along later to assess the article once it's tagged. With what I know of AWB, we'd need to have a bot request if we wanted to match the importance tags to WP Insects. Kingofaces43 (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
I have taken a look through some of the articles in the category trees I suggested, and very few were tagged (but not none). The problem is there are 1,400+ wasp articles, 2,300+ bee articles, only 600-some of which are currently tagged with the task force. It would take a very long time to go through these and give them a quality rating. I believe that they are, by and large, deserving of the "low importance" flag. Would it be possible for you to give them all an identical flag, or would this also require a bot request (in which case getting the importance inherited would be preferable). M. A. Broussard (talk) 02:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The more I think about it, it actually should be doable to functionally do an inherited importance with AWB. I would need to do a little bit a front end work, but if for some reason that doesn't work, it's absolutely no hassle at all just giving everything a blanket low importance. It'd be nice if AWB had some function to completely copy one line or tag and paste it slightly modified into the next line, but I'm not aware of that functionality yet. I probably won't get to it until next week, but if you just want to point me to the exact lists of articles to run this on, ~4,000 articles won't take long at all. Kingofaces43 (talk) 02:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
It seems that the popular pages tool hasn't run since mid-April. It usually updates monthly, and I signed the hymenoptera task force up for it shortly after the last run (Wikipedia:WikiProject Insects/Hymenoptera task force/Popular pages is still a red-link). At this point, if somebody with AWB (or a bot) is going to tag the remaining Hymenoptera for the task force, I'd suggest making them all default to "low importance" for now, and going back through later when the popular pages report is live to upgrade importance for the articles that get a decent number of page views. If you want taxonomic rank to play a role in the importance ratings (e.g., families as mid or better importance), it's possible to search for articles with "idae" in the title to in order to re-rate those. Plantdrew (talk) 04:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The pages that were supposed to be tagged by the bot, and I still stand by the assessment, were these:
I think that going back and tagging families as mid-importance would be a reasonable idea, provided that it didn't over-run previous assessments of high/top importance. There are a lot of tiny families in Hymenoptera, and it can be challenging to find good information on them. Thank you both for helping look into the (apparently numerous) issues coming up! M. A. Broussard (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
The bot had good timing. AWB was actually going to make things tricky for a few cases I was trying, and I decided to just put work down for the night. Kingofaces43 (talk) 14:03, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on a tool on Visual Editor to add open license text from other sources[edit]

Hi all

I'm designing a tool for Visual Editor to make it easy for people to add open license text from other sources, there are a huge number of open license sources compatible with Wikipedia including around 9000 journals. I can see a very large opportunity to easily create a high volume of good quality articles quickly. I have done a small project with open license text from UNESCO as a proof of concept, any thoughts, feedback or endorsements (on the Meta page) would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Trying to identify this insect[edit]

Found a mile or so inland on the Sonoma Coast in California.

http://imgur.com/a/VFK9P

Thanks in advance! Waggie (talk) 16:31, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

@Waggie: Looks like a cerambicid beetle. For a better (potentially even species-level) identification, I would post the photo on bugguide in their "ID Request" section or on iNaturalist. M. A. Broussard (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2016 (UTC)