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Taxobox -> Speciesbox?[edit]

Hello fellow members of WP Insects! There has been some talk by a few of you over various pages about using the speciesbox/automatic taxobox templates rather than the historical taxobox template. As far as I'm aware, there's no official stance here at WP Insects about which one should be used. Several editors have expressed interest in moving away from taxoboxes to increase the maintainability of our thousands of pages when new taxonomical information comes out. Should we recommend the usage of the more centralized speciesbox/automatic taxobox or keep things how they presently are? M. A. Broussard (talk) 07:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Is this related to this proposed move discussion for {{Automatic taxobox}}, or simply whether to replace instances of {{taxobox}} with {{automatic taxobox}}? Might be sensible to see how the move proposal plays out (and to direct relevant comments there). --Animalparty! (talk) 09:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Unrelated, I presume. There's been been a lot of (largely undiscussed) effort recently to switch manual taxoboxes to automatic ones. There were 24,000 species using the automatic taxobox system in December 2016; there are 38,000 today (not all of this increase is insects, but they are a big part of it). Discussion of this should happen; I raised the issue at WP:PLANTS a few weeks ago. Thanks M. A. Broussard for bringing it up here. Plantdrew (talk) 01:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, this was unrelated to that move request, which I am only now aware of. Thanks for the heads up about that. M. A. Broussard (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I think automatic taxoboxes should be recommended (recommended, not required and let's not say that manual taxoboxes are "deprecated"). I'm increasingly concerned about the ability of Wikipedia to keep the information in taxoboxes up to date. Overall editor numbers have declined from their peak, but the number of articles with taxoboxes continues to grow. There's an enormous number of insect articles and a handful of editors working on keeping them up to date. Taxonomy will march on, but I'm not sure if Wikipedia will if it continues to rely heavily on manual taxoboxes. The automatic taxobox templates are much improved since there was last any broad discussion of rolling them out (circa 2011). Status quo seems to be that using them should be decided on a WikiProject basis, and WP:INSECTS has never had any discussion. Let's have it now (and bring the Lepidoptera project in to the loop). Plantdrew (talk) 01:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I have left a note at WP Beetles and WP Lepidoptera so they can join the discussion. M. A. Broussard (talk) 02:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the discussion link M. A. Broussard at WP Beetles. Full disclosure: I can honestly say I've never used an auto-taxobox as an editor or creator, and my taxonomy skill is, frankly, amateur. However looking at the conceptual difference between that and manual and auto taxoboxes I'd have no problem in personally using it and recommending it to others if I get on well with it. If we reach consensus to the positive, I'd be happy to encourage/disseminate amongst the few regulars at Beetles, once I've actually tried it first. Looking at it as an amateur entomologist rather than a wikipedian, it looks straight forward enough and would probably be quite useful personally to those in a similar situation to myself. Plantdrew speaks sense talking about 'recommended not required' - I think this is particularly relevant to the Insect Wikiproject with its 59k articles because of the issues of standardisation we'd encounter, either backdating as editors or patrolling new articles by non-project affiliated contributors if we'd want to make it a requirement.Zakhx150 (talk) 20:33, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I was hoping to get some responses from more WP members. I know that some of the ants task force are using speciesboxes now, but hearing from them on this issue would be good. I personally think it'd be a good idea to move this direction, though, as Zakhx150 mentioned, it will be a tough row to hoe with 59k articles! I think that it will be worth it in the long run, though--I'm presently working on getting the bee taxonomy sorted out, but even that small group is going to take quite a while as every single page must be edited. Perhaps there is a way to do batch conversions (I am thinking here specifically of the reduplicated 1500 Megachile species articles) automatically? Patrolling new pages should be easier--I know that there are a few people patrolling new pages to add them to the wikiproject, though I don't think that taxoboxes are being converted to speciesboxes in that patrolling check at the moment. M. A. Broussard (talk) 23:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
hello Broussard and all other "insect"-interested persons.

I mostly create or edit articles concerning lepidoptera or moths but once in a while it happens to me to hit other types of living like plants, or just simply other kinds of animal lifem geographicsm or others - and noticed also that different kinds of speciesbox are in use. Actually - these confuse me more than I would like. Sometimes I abandon an edit just because I dont just want to mix them up.

This is a general problem at wikipedia - sometimes very hard to look thru. Rgds I'm so tired (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm relatively new to the automatic taxobox and speciesbox format, but I didn't find it more difficult than the original taxobox format; the one issue could be one-time edits from unregistered users, as it's not immediately obvious how to edit the tree (but you can do it by clicking the pencil icon--see Colletidae for an example). Would you be willing to give these taxoboxes a try? Their code is much shorter than the traditional ones as you only need to write taxon = Colletes instead of genus = '''''Colletes''''', without needing to copy the rest of the family tree. The other parameters (eg. for images, captions, range maps, subdivisions, etc) are largely the same. I'd be willing to write a tutorial on the WP insects front page if you (or others) feel it would help. M. A. Broussard (talk) 02:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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ID help[edit]

I really know embarrassingly little about bumblebees. Any idea what this is? It's in Michigan, last summer. Guettarda (talk) 22:07, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Guettarda: This is probably a queen of Bombus impatiens, though there is a small possibility that it is a queen of Bombus griseocollis--the difference is whether or not the spot on the top of the thorax is actually due to black hairs on the bee (B. griseocollis) or if there merely appears to be a black spot due to short yellow hairs showing the black exoskeleton through them (B. impatiens). Given the locale, B. impatiens is the more likely of the two. M. A. Broussard (talk) 01:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks very much! Guettarda (talk) 03:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Which is the real "Florida leaf-footed bug"?[edit]

Both Leptoglossus phyllopus and Acanthocephala femorata are named as the "Florida leaf-footed bug" in their pages. Acanthocephala femorata claims the page Florida leaf-footed bug but Leptoglossus phyllopus seems to have much more info available about it. One or both pages could use some clarification/updates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.155.8 (talk) 22:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

A problem with common names is that they often refer to multiple species. You are right that both species above have the common name "Florida leaf-footed bug". I've put a hatnote at Florida leaf-footed bug (Acanthocephala femorata) leading to Leptoglossus phyllopus which should help a little.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:27, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion of article title at Grasshopper[edit]

There is a new discussion of the appropriate title for the article (Grasshopper vs Caelifera) at Talk:Grasshopper#Taxonomy. Editors are invited to contribute. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)