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Northern Ireland flag - Rugby World Cup 2015 Media coverage[edit]

2015 Rugby World Cup#Participating nations

Rugby union doesn't usually split the home nations into the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, so there doesn't seem to be any formal guidelines for this situation. It happens in this article because it is discussing media broadcasts within each sovereign state. In this situation, Northern Ireland needs to be shown belonging to both the United Kingdom United Kingdom broadcast region, and the  Ireland rugby team. The home nations teams are displayed individually, as it is important to recognise that  England,  Ireland,  Scotland and  Wales are not performing as the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The article is currently as the following, but I'm not convinced it is satisfactory.

Any ideas? BananaBork (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I think this captures it well.Dubs boy (talk) 21:48, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Simple solution is to remove both the United Kingdom and "Republic of Ireland" from the 'Country' column - neither are "participating nations". Replace them with the participants - Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales. Group the corresponding second/third column entries so they cover more than one participating nation. Add a note in brackets if necessary for UTV coverage of Ireland games. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:56, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm apprehensive about doing that because I think broadcast region (i.e. UK and ROI) is more important. The rugby clubs are just reference - almost a side note - rather than the key. BananaBork (talk) 11:40, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Surely the most important thing about the Rugby World Cup is the participating teams?  ;-) In any case, here in Ireland, most people also have access to the ITV/UTV coverage, in addition to RTÉ. Regards, BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Touche! BananaBork (talk) 17:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Its an easter egg pipelink, the best bet would be

Or drop the Northern bit in the UK list. Murry1975 (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I considered this, but I think United Kingdom United Kingdom ( England,  Ireland,  Scotland,  Wales) implies that Ireland as an entity is a constituency of the UK.BananaBork (talk) 20:56, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion[edit]

A move discussion has been opened at Talk:Economy of the Republic of Ireland#Requested move 11 October 2015. DrKiernan (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Rename Gun politics in Ireland to Gun legislation in Ireland[edit]

I propose renaming the article Gun politics in Ireland to Gun legislation in Ireland since there is no substantive gun politics in Ireland and that is what the article is actually about. All of the sources are primary sources to Dáil questions in relation to gun legislation, also the courts and with one secondary source also on legislation. (posted here as per arbcom) Second Quantization (talk) 10:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

This was already suggested on the talk page and has seen discussion and consensus there to move the page to Firearms Legislation in Ireland for the exact reasons above. And as mentioned earlier, this is such a specialised chunk of law and so badly written, that there are very very few secondary sources which are in any way accurate; half of them quote from this page, ironically. MarkDennehy (talk) 11:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

The lack of secondary sources means we should cut back on the scope of the article. Wikipedia is not for original research. I posted here about the rename as arbcom requires it, Second Quantization (talk) 11:59, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Your prior comments on your talk page lead me to believe you are making edits to a longstanding page for ideological reasons, so I'm taking your suggestion about deleting large swathes of the page without discussion as vandalism. Please stop. And you didn't mention the arbcom until after the talk page reference was mentioned, it would have been helpful to (A) have mentioned it and (B) to have given a link to it since we don't know which one you're talking about. MarkDennehy (talk) 12:07, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the article talk page is the correct place for discussion of this requested move. Second Quantization has inadvertently highlighted an ambiguity in the banner at the top of the page. "Discussions relating to the naming of Ireland articles" means the Ireland, Republic of Ireland and Ireland (disambiguation) pages, i.e. the article on the island, the article on the state and the dab page that links to them. It does not mean any articles relating to Ireland. I can only guess that the banner was put there in case somebody tried to move it to "Gun politics/legislation in the Republic of Ireland", which might conceivably need to be discussed at IECOLL. As it is the discussion should continue where it is. Scolaire (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Great, unless someone has more input, then I think there is agreement on the name change. Second Quantization (talk) 12:53, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
As further input, this section has changed the proposal slightly, which was to move the page from Gun Politics in Ireland to Firearms Legislation in Ireland. Firearms legislation would be more accurate. MarkDennehy (talk) 13:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
The original proposal, firearms legislation is fine with me, Second Quantization (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
I think we have consensus so. It's not a terribly contentious move. MarkDennehy (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

History of British nationality law and citizens of the former Irish Free State[edit]

The article British Nationality Law and the Republic of Ireland was recently moved to History of British nationality law and citizens of the former Irish Free State. There was probably some point to this as the article covers the period while Ireland was a Dominion and people born during this period. It a difficult article to name but I think British Nationality Law and the Irish Free State might be best even thought the 1937 to 1949 period is included. Does anyone have any better ideas? — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 10:51, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

There seems to no appetite for discussion of the title, so I have just reversed yesterday's move by the now indef-blocked editor. Scolaire (talk) 12:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Use of "Monarch" in Officeholder infobox for Northern Irish politicians[edit]

There is an RfC underway at Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder#RfC_on_inclusion_on_Monarch_in_Information_Boxes_on_NI_politicians which will effect the likes of the Martin McGuinness article. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)