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The Commonwealth Realm of the Irish Free State
Before raising a formal RFC, I'm asking for comment on a matter at Commonwealth realm. The Irish Free State was never a Commonwealth Realm. It was a Dominion. Opinion is divided as to whether the Irish Free State should be listed with Former Commonwealth Realms or Former Dominions. I think that it is important to get the terminology correct when we are talking about the political evolution of the Irish nation(s). --Pete (talk) 19:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Both, a Commonwealth Realm is a Realm that is within the Commonwealth. The Irish Free State was a Dominion of the Commonwealth, and therefore a Realm of the Commonwealth too. Only Realms that existed prior to the establishment of the Commonwealth should not be listed. Regards, Rob (talk) 23:37, 30 July 2013 (UTC) Wrong place, Regards, Rob (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
– In common parlance, "Ireland" usually refers to the country consisting of the 26 counties. Furthermore, Protestants living in Northern Ireland probably don't want to look at this article and see their territory lumped in with the rest of Ireland. User:Davidfreesefan23 (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Request swift close. Not a neutral phrasing of request, quite offensive really. Actually no showing of how guidelines, policy, and current usage promote this view. Murry1975 (talk) 20:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
'Ireland' usually refers to the country consisting of the 26 counties. Does it? So when someone talks about the culture, history, geography, sport, people, and so on, of Ireland, you think they mean only the southern portion of that place?
Oppose nothing has changed since the last discussions. Ireland is the common name for the island, which has a much longer history than the state. Valenciano (talk) 21:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose It is not at all clear that Ireland refers to the country more than the island. It is generally best with a name like that to refer to the more general entity. Republic of Ireland is a recognised disambiguator for the country. The feelings of people in Northern Ireland have not been documented on this matter and why on earth would they want to deny they are on the island when they are in Northern Ireland? Dmcq (talk) 21:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose --- lets not go over this (again). Ireland means so many different things to so many different people, it is to hard to define. Djegan (talk) 22:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per all the previous discussions. Mr Stephen (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose - Ireland has been used for the island for much longer than the modern state, by more than a few centuries, no reason to move the article on the state to Ireland and then move the island article. Canterbury Tailtalk 22:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per umpteen previous discussions. The island is the broader usage. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose and refute silly claim on Protestants not wanting to be mentioned as being in Ireland - though I can understand their reason for stating this. Mabuska(talk) 14:56, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose: Why keep this open? Close as WP:SNOW. Do we really have to waste any more time on this again? ww2censor (talk) 08:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Oppose Due to the biased and offensive phrasing of the request. -- HighKing++ 17:39, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Note: Due to the past contentiousness of this issue, I think we should not close this as snow. I'm still waiting for other supporters to show up. Perhaps they feel it's not worth it? If we leave it open 7 days, that will establish a new clear consensus.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Disagree: The only clear consensus would be that there's no place for such offensive phrasing, and all such requests should be Opposed without consideration of any merits. So I'd close for that reason as per WP:SNOW. I note the original proposer has been blocked, based on the frivolous nature of his editing, so it's hard to take this seriously as establishing any kind of consensus. -- HighKing++ 18:06, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
It does look like SNOW to me but I'm willing to wait another two days if that's what someone wants. Goood riddance to the OP is what I felt when I had a look at their edits. Occasional little fixes to try and show they might be okay mixed in with low level vandalism and general trouble making. Dmcq (talk) 19:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Abstain Due to the controversial nature of the language but this is still a clear problem issue and will continue to be, so this should not in any way be considered a consensus. Is any other state article incorrectly titled. How on earth did it become so in the first place. It should clearly be at the very least Ireland(State). Unfortunately this article title has become a causality of certain protagonists (strangely something they finally agree on) but it is showing that Wikipedia consensus does not always lead to the correct outcome. It needs to be corrected in my view. Setanta Saki (talk) 01:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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