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Looking for help in article revision.


I am planning a complete revision of the article List of acupuncture points. Details on this can be found on the discussion page of the article. There are some issues I have with traditional (chinese) character usage, japanese words and handling by the wikipedia search engine. Furthermore it might be that there are some important details I do know nothing about at the moment.

If this is the right location to ask for kind support, please visit the the discussion page of the article and help me to get a clearer idea of what needs to be done. Otherwise please hint me where I might find help with this.

Thank you!--Nicolasnicolas (talk) 10:55, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Counter question

What does the 鋪 counter count? It appears in the database for cultural properties under "Documents of the Shimazu Family (島津家文書)" as "160鋪" so it is likely some kind of book/paper/scroll/... bamse (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

It is read as ho and is used to count folded books, often maps (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC).
The full set of the Shimazu family reads: 848巻、752帖、2629冊、2幅、4908通、160鋪、207枚. Which I'd translate as 848 (hand) scrolls, 752 folding books, 2629 books (volumes of books), 2 hanging scrolls, 4908 letters, 160鋪, 207 sheets of paper. Is this reasonable? Since there are already 帖 (= folding books), maybe 鋪 could indeed be maps. bamse (talk) 14:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
More precisely, a 鋪 is a folded document or documents that are unfolded in order to be read. Like a sheet of paper that is folded in half in one direction and then again in the other direction. Also, I think that you are reading too much into a 帖. It primarily refers to reams of paper; folding book is quite secondary. While I do not know the specifics of the contents, I would generically render the above counters as follows:
  • 巻 (kan): rolled scrolls
  • 帖 (jō): reams of paper
  • 冊 (satsu): bound books
  • 幅 (fuku): hanging scrolls
  • 通 (tsū): letters
  • 鋪 (ho): folded documents
  • 枚 (mai): (loose) sheets of paper (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC).
Thanks a lot for the very fast reply. bamse (talk) 14:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
As for 帖, it's not ream, but translated as quire. And as a counter word, it's used for 折り本 and folding screen. Oda Mari (talk) 15:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
bamse, or anybody else, could you upload a Shimazu letter image from here? It's a letter from Ashikaga Yoshimasa to Shimazu Tadamasa. I think the image is helpful and there's no copyright problem. Oda Mari (talk) 16:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I can't imagine 752 folding screens, so 帖 probably counts 折り本 here. Oda Mari, what is the difference to 鋪, then? The letter can be found here. Hopefully I did the image description correctly.bamse (talk) 22:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I called Bunkacho.
  • 巻 (kan): rolled scrolls
  • 帖 (jō):bound books. Pages are just like today's books.
  • 冊 (satsu): bound books by fukuro-toji/袋とじ which means binding folded uncut pages in a book. So there are blank two pages between two pages outside.
  • 幅 (fuku): hanging scrolls
  • 通 (tsū): a letter written on a single sheet of paper.
  • 鋪 (ho): a map consists of sheets of paper. Sheets were glued.
  • 枚 (mai): a single sheet map.
    Thank you for uploading the image. Oda Mari (talk) 07:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Fukuro-toji looks like this. [1] and [2]. Oda Mari (talk) 08:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Very useful information. Do you know if Bunkacho uses the same definitions for all cultural properties in the database or if these definitions are specific for the "Shimazu clan documents" national treasure? bamse (talk) 09:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Bunkacho and all experts use the same definition for all old documents. They are the counting words for all 古文書. But the man I talked with said 帖 is used for 折り本 and 枚 for some drawings too. Don't worry, if there are questions, I'll call Bunkacho again. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 10:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

English name of Japanese law


Formerly the name of Japanese law was translated like "Law Concerning the Promotion of the Measures to Cope with Global Warming". However a translation project has inaugurated in 2005 and the "Standard legal term Japanese-English bilingual dictionary"[3] was published. According to this dictionary, "...に関する法律" is translated to "Act on ...". Japanese Low Translation home page is here. This may be related to MOS:JP By the way, 国旗及び国歌に関する法律(currently "Law Regarding the National Flag and National Anthem") is translated to "Act on National Flag and Anthem"[4] ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

When I did the move last night, I used the official term of the government for that law instead of trying to focus on the dictionary. If you use the old term for the law, it will still act as a redirect (even though I replaced all instances of it, was about 10 or so). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured List Candidacy of national treasure shrines

I nominated List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines) which is part of the WikiProject Architecture at WP:FLC. The criteria for featured lists are found here. Please add comments or questions to the nomination page. bamse (talk) 11:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The list is featured now and the nomination closed.bamse (talk) 10:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

East Asian snowstorms of 2009-2010

The article East Asian snowstorms of 2009-2010 needs work, is anyone willing to help clean up the article? (talk) 16:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

New article

I just started a new article on the recently formed Kyabakura Union. Request someone add the kanji spelling and link to the appropriate jp.wikipedia article. Also, the infobox needs a link to the union's website. Thank you in advance. Cla68 (talk) 23:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. They only have a blog as far as I can tell, so I added that. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. By the way, I thought that stubs didn't need inline citations, since the article is usually two to three sentences long and has the references immediately below. Cla68 (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, if it is ever to progress beyond a stub, they should be inline. May as well start now. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Case in Japanese Wikipedia

discussion moved from Category talk:National Treasures of Japan

It is classified as follows.

--663highland (talk) 06:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposal of category division

I propose to divide this category into the above-mentioned categories. --663highland (talk) 14:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I will execute it in two days if there is no dissenting opinion. --663highland (talk) 12:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

As it says above the edit window, "talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users", so posting this notice here is not going to get many, if any, comments. As for the proposal, it's best to not have parentheses in category names. Can you come up with some better category titles which don't use them? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
It is preferable to ensure consistency with Lists of National Treasures of Japan. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 12:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for commenting. I do not know the place where the comments other than this page can be recruited, and I was not imaginable of a different category title. However, it is classified more in detail in the place of Commons. Which will be better? I can accept both.--663highland (talk) 12:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I am in favor of the commons system of categorization. bamse (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I will agree to the opinion. --663highland (talk) 14:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, I am not sure it is a good idea to use the same system of categorization as on commons. Commons and wikipedia are quite different regarding National Treasures. On commons there are lots of pictures (could be more) that show National Treasures of Japan so it makes sense to categorize these pictures by type of the national treasure (paintings, sculptures, temple structure,...). Here on wikipedia, there are very few articles (should be more!) on National Treasures (for instance Taima Mandala or Genji Monogatari Emaki). Most likely there will not be dedicated articles on most of the national treasures anytime soon. On wikipedia most of the National Treasures are covered by articles on temples, shrines and museums which are owners or custodians of national treasures. In which category shall we put these articles? I'd like to get some order in the rather messy Category:National Treasures of Japan. Maybe as a minimal change one could distinguish between structures ("Category:Structural National Treasures of Japan" or something like it) and crafts ("Category:Crafts National Treasures of Japan")!? bamse (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me.

Would you plesase participate talk:Agony of Doha. I think it is NPOV problem. So that name would be changed. I'll wait for your opinion. Thank you.--Awesong (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article Review for Imperial Japanese Navy

I have nominated Imperial Japanese Navy for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -MBK004 11:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Looking for a picture of a sign

I am looking for a wikipedia-usable picture of a typical sign of a National Treasure of Japan. Unfortunately I cannot find an example picture of what I mean. If I remember correctly, the sign has pentagon shape, brown or black background and some of the text is red. Similar signs exist for Historic Sites and Important Cultural Properties of Japan, but I'd need one which says "国宝" (National Treasure) on it. It would be great if somebody could upload such picture or direct me to a free picture. The picture should go to the top right of the National Treasures of Japan article which is currently a good article candidate in need of reviews. bamse (talk) 08:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

This may be an example. --Sushiya (talk) 10:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Exactly, something like this! Now I'd just need a free version of it. bamse (talk) 11:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


National Treasures of Japan should be added to "good article candidates" on the recognized content page, but I don't know how. Or is it added automatically after a while? Reviews of the article are very welcome. bamse (talk) 19:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

That page is now automatically updated, so it should be added the next time the bot updates the page. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Good. Thanks.bamse (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

A little help please

Could someone help me with the romanization of this name, 阿只拔都, in the Japanese style? The Korean reading of those Chinese characters would be Ajibaldo.Waygugin (talk) 12:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Rather famous person. We read his name as Akibatsu in Japanese. By the way, 阿只都 is the normal spelling. (talk) 12:39, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
An answer in 20 minutes. Much obliged Waygugin (talk) 13:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Electoral district navbox?

As I (very slowly) expand the number of articles on Nippon's electoral districts I was wondering what kind of NavBox would be more useful: a prefecture-by-prefecture approach (as in the US congressional district articles):

or one country-wide navbox for any period (as in (ja): Template:衆議院小選挙区一覧, 衆議院中選挙区一覧(1947-1993))? One problem with the former is that present-day PR blocks do not fit into a prefectural scheme though one could add them as ~ "part of the Northern Kantō proportional representation block" or something to that effect. Any feedback is appreciated. --Asakura Akira (talk) 14:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Great Hanshin earthquake

Is here anyone who kindly helps to modify and improve the contents of this article? Major two sections "Damage" and "Response," in which probably most of readers are interested, are almost thoroughly sourceless. Description of an earthquake calamity, if based on rumors or groundless belief, may have bad influence for people's preparation for another earthquake and sense of disaster prevention. Just now I raised a problem (regarding one subsection) there in the discussion page. Thanks. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 23:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Royal Seal of Ryukyu Kingdom

Hello, I would like to get a second opinion on whether the vectorization of each of the characters of the File:Royal Seal of Ryukyu.jpg was done properly: File:Royal Seal of Ryukyu Kingdom.svg. Any mistakes? Froztbyte (talk) 01:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Translation help for katakana word(s)

I'm working on translating character bios for a Japanese anime. One of the terms that is stumping me is "ジ・シュルネン". It is used to refer to a dragon going into a frenzy, but I've been unable to find a meaning to the term itself. (talk) 00:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Which anime? Context will likely help. It looks like it might be German. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
See here: Wikimon: Dracomon ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I can assure you it's not German, I'm a native speaker and I don't recognize any German word that resembles it. I guess it's just made up to sound like German (Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer?) I guess you'll have to go with the English name "G Shurunen" and just accept that it has no meaning whatsoever. --Mkill (talk) 04:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
What about something like "zie shönen"? Not sure if that means anything (or is similar enough to something). ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Joe, please, just because you invented something with a Metal umlaut doesn't mean it's German. --Mkill (talk) 04:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs which need help

This list was placed on Fg2's talk page, but since he can't do anything about it, I'm moving the list here.

  1. Kōichi Tabuchi - Find sources: "Kōichi Tabuchi" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library
  2. Yoshie Taira - Find sources: "Yoshie Taira" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library
  3. Takami Itō - Find sources: "Takami Itō" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library
  4. Shunsuke Kikuchi - Find sources: "Shunsuke Kikuchi" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library
  5. Asahi Kurizuka - Find sources: "Asahi Kurizuka" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library
  6. Kaho Minami - Find sources: "Kaho Minami" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library
  7. Ken Matsudaira - Find sources: "Ken Matsudaira" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR · free images · wikipedia library

Thanks for any help in getting these so they at least have some referencing. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

People's Honour Award

Does anyone has a link to RS website with the list of People's Honour Award recipients? Thanks --KrebMarkt 14:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The Cabinet Office has a list at [5]; but it's a bit dated and doesn't list the Asō [6] [7] and Hatoyama [8] nominees. --Asakura Akira (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. We will need every single bits of resources with the looming Unsourced BLP "Tsunami" --KrebMarkt 14:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Cleanup listing#Unreferenced BLPs

FYI - A massive discussion is taking place at a Request for comment (RfC) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. About 50k of articles are currently unreferenced and therefore in danger of deletion, some of those are on Japanese subjects, like Alfred Birnbaum (quite famous) and Hiroyuki Togo (may be of minor notability, now moved here User:AeronPeryton/Articles/Hiroyuki Togo ) which were both speedy deleted for that reason. Hiroshi Kaneda (now referenced) and Takashi Okamura (comedian) (now gutted) were proposed for deletion. Satoshi Inoue (musician) is currently proposed for deletion. I can see that some editors recently have referenced Chisato Moritaka, Yuji Naka and Hiroshi Abe (astronomer). Yet, many articles are still unreferenced, for instance Hiroko Suzuki, Masaaki Yaguchi and Yasuyuki Kazama. The cleanup link in the title above points to a list of unreferenced articles with the WikiProject Japan template on its talk page. Please revise articles on the list,

  1. review them for contentious unsourced information pr WP:BLP concerns
  2. add references (you may e.g. lift references from the Japan page, if that page exists)
  3. remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template from the article.

We need a lot of hands for this task. Power.corrupts (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's the list for easy access (and so it isn't written over when that list updates). ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
So this page didn't become needlessly cluttered, I've moved the list here. I strongly encourage anyone who has even a small amount of time to come and help clear this list. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe I should point you that the Unsourced Japanese voice actors are not just anime voice actors. There are others voices actors for movies, video games & visual novels. Those BLP are not withing Anime/Manga project scope and Animanga doesn't have the proper set of skills to fix them. --KrebMarkt 07:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to add them to this list. I'm working through the categories as quickly as I can, but there are a lot of them and I'm only one person. And if you can fix a seiyū article, you can fix a regular actor article. I do it all the time. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Trout Nihonjoe. I'm sorry to decline your request :p Remember i don't read Japanese so tracking down RS website for Japanese dubbing information is difficult at best. I dropping here Takashi Aoyagi (prof in university & Japanese Mickey Mouse voice as part time job) and Haruhiko Jō (no source for anime roles so remains the dubbed roles to check) --KrebMarkt 08:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
You don't need to be able to read Japanese to place people on that list. The list is composed entirely of English-language articles. And if there is a specific article you have questions about (as far as a Japanese-language reference article), you can always post here and get some help with it. There are a few of us who regularly help out with that. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Input Requested for Move

Hello, I recently requested the article Hiroo Onoda to be moved to Hirō Onoda and would like the input from the Project community here. If you're interested, you can find the move discussion here. Thanks! Sorafune +1 04:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Energy related articles

Hello. This notice is from Wikiproject Energy. Please note that a number of "power station" articles (of Japan) are not included in a "List of power stations in COUNTRY" type article. It is recommended that a capable-user create such an article and link all related articles in that page. Examples and links can be found here and here. Please notify me on my talkpage ({{tb}} preferred) if there is any further questions. Regards. Rehman(+) 09:50, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Working on it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Done: List of power stations in Japan. Feel free to modify or correct at will. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:07, 31 January 2010 (UTC)