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I'm sorry, I speak several languages but I do not speak Hebrew. Over at WP:RFD#Chawah we have a discussion, since this is currently a redirect and I don't know where to put it. I think it is "blocking" in the sense all the search engines, all roads lead back to Wikipedia, so I can't find a definition. I think it means Eve, the wife of Adam, from the Book of Genesis, but am not entirely sure and I hope you can help out. Si Trew (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, "Chawah" is one way you could transliterate the Hebrew word חוה which is Eve, the wife of Biblical Adam. The more common transliteration would be Chavah, and in fact I've never actually seen "Chawah" used. The ambiguity stems from the fact that the Hebrew letter "vav" is thought to have been pronounced "waw" in ancient times and is still pronounced that way by a small minority of oriental Jewish communities. MosheEmes (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Agree with MosheEmes. The spelling Chawah derives I think from the German school of biblical critics about 100-150 years ago. Epicentre (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Hello there! Could I get a hand with this draft? Draft:Pinus Rubinstein. Let me know what you think. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk)

Talmudic citations[edit]

Over at Talk:Torah I pointed out that there is a lot on inconsistency in how pages of the Talmud are cited/quoted (at least three different ways just on the Torah entry). Someone suggested I bring it up here to see if there is a consensus on how this should be done, so it can be standardized. MosheEmes (talk) 01:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I might be misunderstanding you, but the Bavli is usually cited by daf in the Vilna edition, so for example: "lorem ipsum... (shabbat 32a)". The Yerushalmi is usually done by chapter:halacha, so for example: "lorem ipsum... (Yerushalmi Shabbat 2:3)". Is that what you're asking? --Bachrach44 (talk) 03:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
No. Here are various Talmud quotes from WP entry Torah: 1. (Gittin 60a). 2. (tractate Sabb. 115b) 3. (Talmud Bavli, Meg. 31b.)
In example 1, the name of the masechta (tractate) is wikilinked. In example 2, the word "tractate" is used to specify what it is, and there is no wikilink. Also "Sabb." is an abbreviation for the English word "Sabbath". Do we use Sabbath, Shabbat, or what? In example 3, "Talmud Bavli" is wikilinked, "Megillah" is abbreviated and not wikilinked, and there is a specification that it is referring to the Bavli (as opposed to the Yerushalmi), and no word "tractate". See what I mean? Shouldn't there be just one standard way to cite the Talmud? MosheEmes (talk) 02:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
My personal opinion is (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 115b). This provides enough information for someone unfamiliar with the Talmud, and links to relevant articles. -- Ypnypn (talk) 03:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
If so, the best way to ensure this happens is to create a template to make it so, and then to see that it is used.
  • As a related issue, would we have an abbreviated version for subsequent citations in the same article?
I don't mind trying to put my hand to creating a template once consensus is reached here. But it will take a ton of work to start replacing current citations with it. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:47, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
We should probably try to make it work for Bavli, Yerushalmi, Mishnah, and Tanach --Bachrach44 (talk) 03:54, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
There is already a working template for Tanach. It's {{bibleref}} and its variants. The longstanding approach for Jewish articles at Wikipedia is to use |3=HE to point to the public-domain Hebrew-English Tanach (at Mechon Mamre), which uses JPS 1917, rather than a Christian translation. Example: {{bibleref|Genesis|1:1|HE}} generates Genesis 1:1, which if you click through will take you to Mechon Mamre's website. So we don't need to revisit a template for Tanach.
(Side note: According to the documentation for the template, there should also be a way to link to the Judaica Press 1964 Hebrew-English at That doesn't seem to be working, though, and I'll ask at the template talk page if anyone knows how to fix it. But for any purpose I can imagine here, the Mechon Mamre version is quite sufficient.)
That all having been said, this brings up a good point. Ideally, a working template for Mishnah, Bavli and Yerushalmi ought to point to actual text, preferably Hebrew-English or English, if such is available in the public domain or through other legitimate, permissible use. I can start writing a template, but there will need to be a script behind the template to get the right page off the target website, and that's beyond my skills. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


The usage and primary topic of Schtick is under discussion, see talk:Schtick (disc game) -- (talk) 04:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move of Islam and antisemitism[edit]

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Islam and antisemitism listed at Requested moves[edit]

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American mahjong listed at Requested moves[edit]

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CFD Proposals[edit]

Thank you, IZAK (talk) 08:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Festivals and related Bible & history categories[edit]

The above CFD may illustrate a wider difficulty in setting the category hierarchy. Should the category for a festival be the parent of articles & categories about the period when it originated, or a sub-category of that topic, or neither?

Perhaps this may best be answered differently in each case.

When I looked at Yom Kippur, I thought I might find a hierarchical connection with Book of Leviticus, but found no links between Category:Yom Kippur and Category:Book of Leviticus. After looking at the contents of each, I added the article Yom Kippur, rather than its namesake category, into Category:Book of Leviticus. This may be sufficient.

As for Hanukkah, I found that the current hierarchy for Maccabees and Hanukkah is circular:

▼ Maccabees‎
 ▼ Cultural depictions of the Maccabees‎
  ▼ Hanukkah‎
  ▼ History of Hanukkah‎
   ► Ancient Jewish Greek history‎
   ► Maccabees‎ 
  ► Maccabees‎

In this case I suggest that the loop should be broken by taking Category:Hanukkah out of Category:Cultural depictions of the Maccabees. That will leave Hanukkah as the grandparent of Maccabees. To maintain navigation, there can still be {{related category}} links where there used to be hierarchical relationships. – Fayenatic London 22:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I think that the problem is another. Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history‎ should be a parent of Category:History of Hanukkah and not the other way around. Debresser (talk) 07:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Ah, but History of Hanukkah currently contains not only ancient history from the time when it originated, but also recent history in the form of recent works and cultural items related to Hanukkah. I would have no objection to recategorising those in Category:Hanukkah and making the change you suggest, if others in this WikiProject agree. However, comments at the CFD about Category:History of Purim suggests that these "History of..." categories were intended to contain a whole range of periods, starting from before the festivals and continuing up to now. That looks jumbled to me, and not useful for navigation, because it does not even contain sub-categories like the Hanukkah one; but at least one member of this project wants it kept as it is. – Fayenatic London 22:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Regardless of the outcome of this discussion about the category loop, I think that Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history‎ can not be in Category:History of Hanukkah. Debresser (talk) 09:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Proper pronunciation for "Shabbat" in English[edit]

Please comment at Talk:Shabbat. Note: please read what's there so far. We're not looking for the right Hebrew or Yiddish pronunciations, nor for the fact that many people pronounce it like Yiddish or Yiddish-influenced Ashkenazi Hebrew (Sha'bes). We're wondering, for those who use Sha-bat', do you pronounce the unstressed syllable as ɑː or ə? (Or, alternatively, do you have a reliable source to use for that?) But please comment there, not here. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Category:Ancient Jewish women[edit]

Any thoughts or history on the idea of deleting Category:Ancient Jewish women and moving the women into the appropriate century under Category:Ancient Jews, or alternatively renaming all the century categories like Category:1st-century BC Jews to Category:1st-century BC Jewish men? First brought up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history but, as suggested, moved here. Thanks,  SchreiberBike | ⌨  20:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

My only thought is that there should probably be a category for ancient Jewish men if there's one for ancient Jewish women. It seems inappropriate to me to segregate the women into "women's categories" and put the men into "Jews' categories". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Religion: Jewish, Bernie Sanders[edit]

Please see discussion at Talk:Bernie Sanders#Religion: Jewish Bus stop (talk) 01:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Sol Scharfstein[edit]

I'm curious if people think Sol Scharfstein is notable enough for a wiki article. He is the former co-owner of KTAV Publishing House,[1], wrote a Torah translation [2], authored a few other books in English [3] and Hebrew [4], and got an honorary doctorate from YU. [5]. Is that notable enough? --Bachrach44 (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Minor point: the link should probably be to KTAV Publishing House. Bus stop (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, yes it should. Fixed. --Bachrach44 (talk) 11:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

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