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Hell Joseon, Chosun or Korea?[edit]

Like it or not, the buzzword Hell Joseon seems notable, so I subbed it. But I am not sure which of the three names would be best? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Joseon/Chosun seem to be roughly equal in popularity (102 ghits for "Hell Joseon", 119 for "Hell Chosun" and 85 for "Hell Korea"). I would keep it at Hell Joseon as the Revised Romanization per MOS:KOREA. Thanks for the article, it is definitely a notable topic. —Nizolan (talk) 04:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Article alerts[edit]

This is another useful tool that I'd suggest transcluding on the project's front page. See how it is implemented on WP:POLAND for comparison. Any objections, comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

No objections. I have it on my watchlist; it's very useful. Random86 (talk) 03:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Need help with Draft:Disability in North Korea[edit]

I have just started a new article draft Draft:Disability in North Korea. It is one of a series of "state of the nation" overview articles about disability in each of the world's countries being created by WikiProject Disability. To get it started I have simply copied relevant sections from Human rights in North Korea and North Korea at the Paralympics so that I can "process" the information into a format suitable for this article. The aim is to have an article similar to Disability in the United Kingdom, Disability in South Africa, Disability in China or Disability in Costa Rica. I am aware that information about social conditions and domestic policy in the DPRK is hard to find and often of doubtful reliability, so here I am looking for help to find good sources and filter out the bad ones. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

PS A similar article about South Korea is also on the "to do" list. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Nice job, your article is totally ready to be moved to main space. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 02:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I came here for assistance and advice, not sarcasm. The draft is nowhere near ready. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Choga-jip interwiki links[edit]

A new stub by my students was connected to ko:초가 which previously linked to Thatching. Now, perhaps we changed the interwiki link incorrectly - can someone check this and fix the interwiki if we erred during the class? I think, checking the terminology and translations, that we messed up when we changed the interwikis here, but that would mean that mean Korean wiki has no entry for "Choga-jip"? It seems notable ([1]) for a stand-alone article.... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Choga means a house with a straw-thatched roof. 'Choga-jip' is said the same thing over again because 'Ga' and 'Jip' mean a house. I think 'Choga-jip' should be included 'Choga' but I don't know how to change the interwiki link....I need your help.;-(Gong Ju-young (talk) 13:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
One week has passed, and we still need input and help from Korean speakers. I can fix the wikidata links, but I need a clear comment on where should they point to. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization[edit]

Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 (やや) 03:18, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject South Korean template[edit]

I just redirected Template:WikiProject South Korea to Template:WikiProject Korea, based on the related discussions in Archive 13. The template is still in use on hundreds of pages, and some of them now have duplicate templates. I can put in a bot request to fix this, but wanted to make sure there aren't any objections. In the older discussions, there was mention of creating a South Korea working group parameter in the template, which is also an option. I personally don't think this is necessary since Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/South Korea is inactive. Random86 (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

No objections. The same goes for Template:WikiProject North Korea. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 20:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

copyediting of Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Redlist[edit]

I've restructured the page, merging a number of smaller lists of Korea-themed requested articles into one. Feel free to copyedit it further, in particular removing blue links as fulfilled requests, adding links to Korean Wikipedia articles for translation when possible, and so on. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary project pages?[edit]

I just discovered Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Seoul (created by Kanghuitari in January 2015) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/South Korea (created by Human3015 in October 2015). Both of these seem very unnecessary to me. Seoul was never added as an official taskforce in Template:WikiProject Korea, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Korea doesn't have enough activity for a spin-off deletion sorting category in my opinion. Does anyone agree/disagree?

Also, Piotrus mentioned archiving and redirecting Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/South Korea. I think that is a good idea, but I'm not sure how to do that. Random86 (talk) 23:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I think ALL of those task forces should be piped through here. We did it years ago with WP:POLAND, we had geography, history and other taskforces - and nobody caring for them. I think it's the same here, I doubt any task page has more then one fan if they are active at all. There's just not enough active volunteers to support anything above a country-level discussion; even the USA one is struggling with individual states. How to close them? Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography of Poland for example.Mark main pages with {{historical}} or {{WikiProject status|inactive|parent=Korea|type=geo}} or such, post a notice "This project is inactive. For better response, please post at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Korea." or such on the talk page, probably using a more visible template like {{notice}}. To make it more clear the talk page is not used, it could be moved to an archive like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography of Poland/Archive1. Another way this could be done would be to move such pages to archives, but then instead of leaving a notice to direct talk here, just redirect them; this is how we handled the old split with "Poland-related Wikipedia notice board". The archives could be then linked from the top of this page. See how the archives at WT:POLAND look like. Oh, on that note, I suggest redirecting Wikipedia:Korea-related topics notice board to WP:KOREA, it's talk page fortunately already does just that. Bottom line - archive, mark as inactive and redirect all those subpages to WP/WT:KOREA. We need to centralize what little activity we have (on Korean topics) in one place where people can reasonably expect that someone will answer. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree about taskforce cruft, with the exception of Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/North Korea. The subject matter is clearly differentiated, we have maintenance tasks that are specific to the project, have active contributors, and maintain a fairly active Portal:North Korea. It would be awfully weird for an entire country not to have even a taskforce when the rule is that most have full-fledged projects. That being said, we don't have or need separate processes for everything, like deletion sorting. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 07:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, considering that there are 1) no NK Wikipedians and 2) Korea split creates a weird situation on many levels I think it is best to channel or NK discussions/organizations here, until such a time (unlikely to happen) that NK discussions form a sufficient proportion here that we decide to split them off. For practical reasons, really, I think it's fine to discuss SK and NK here. They are both, after all, under aegis of this project. What benefit do we have from having a NK taskforce? I say it is just creating an under-used, semi-forgotten discussion space, which means some people may go there, ask questions on NK they could ask here and get quicker replies if they did so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Problems with image of Sejong the Great[edit]

Please see here. Can anyone confirm this image is PD and provide missing information before we lose one and only image depicting this figure on Commons (outside photos of the sculpture, themselves problematic given the state of freedom of panorama in Korea, but that's an unrelated issue to this request). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

See Kim Gi-chang. Pldx1 (talk) 07:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
As in - a red link? I am not sure I follow. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Copyright tags for Korean images[edit]

Please see a related discussion at commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#A_guide_to_Korean_copyright. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-Assessment of Unassessed Articles[edit]

A bot that would inherit assessments from other WikiProjects that have given Unassessed Korea-related articles a rating has been approved (User:BU RoBOT/autoassess).

The bot is currently opt-in only and is pioneered by projects that are few in number but weigh in with scope. Namely Wikipedia's biggest project WikiProject Biography has approved the bot and so far no problems have been reported. WikiProject Korea's assessment scheme is as standard as it gets and has no disputes. It would benefit from auto-assesment since its most pressing problem is a backlog of 1,281 and counting unassessed articles.

Should WikiProject Korea opt-in to have Unassessed Korea-related articles automatically assessed if another project has given them a rating? Please indicate your support or opposition below. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Support. It's a good idea. I'd also like to request this to be suggested on WT:POLAND. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. The bot will avoid rating articles that have conflicting assessments (e.g. B class from WikiProject 1 and C class from WikiProject 2). This is a good feature and will result in very few inaccurate assessments. This would be otherwise be long and monotonous work that would be of scarcely higher quality than the bot. Tonystewart14 (talk) 09:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. This is a great way to reduce the backlog. Random86 (talk) 02:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Igong Maji[edit]

I stumbled across this article, which is very poorly referenced. At first I thought it might be a hoax, as there's not even a interwiki link to a Korean language page, but the article creator seems to have been a solid Wikipedian. Could someone help reference it? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I can confirm that it's not a hoax; the existing reference seems to be an encyclopedia entry from the Academy of Korean Studies, and the content of the reference corresponds with the content of the article. KJ Discuss? 09:18, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Are there any other sources anywhere? Could it be a fictitious entry? ~Mable (chat) 09:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
This is helpful stuff, thanks. Is there anything in Korean Wikipedia (I presume it exists, forgive me if I'm using the wrong term for a language/s) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
There's a couple of sources I found with a quick Naver search: 1 an entry from the Digital Local Culture Encyclopedia of Koream, 2 a mention from the website hosted by National Folk Museum of Korea, 3 a mention in the book 우리 꽃문화 답사기. Doesn't look like there's anything in the Korean Wikipedia though. KJ Discuss? 11:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
There are several Korena language references, reliable ones. They should be put into the article. Not having an article in kowiki means nothing, they donát have a lot of articles on several topics yet. :) I wrote articles in huwiki on Korean topics they don't cover. They are not a big wiki. :) Teemeah 편지 (letter) 15:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
For those who found reliable refs, please add them to article in el/fr sections and remove the notability template. Thanks! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I added to sections I could understand from Korean. As much as I can see the description of the exact ritual is not in these sources. So I added a refimprove tag. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Changes to project banner[edit]

It's been a few years since this project's main image was changed (back on 4 May 2014 to be exact) so it seems like we're long overdue to update the project banner. I've sandboxed the necessary changes, this is how the updated banner would look:

WikiProject Korea (Rated Project-class)
WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of WikiProject Korea, a collaborative effort to build and improve articles related to Korea. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion.
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Can I also suggest adding support for Draft-Class? There are dozens of Korea-related article drafts, so allowing |class=draft in the banner would give the project a better means of tracking them. Would anyone object to making these changes? PC78 (talk) 03:02, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't object to the change. The more I look at it, the more it grow on me. It's like us as a whole are carrying the WikiProject to success. Jaewon [Talk] 21:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Change has been made. Korea-related drafts can now be found at Category:Draft-Class Korea-related articles. PC78 (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Help me translate[edit]

Hello, can somebody translate this (가요순위건) please? It appears on an old chart positions page from MIAK. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 04:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Raykyogrou0 I don't know very much Korean, but 가요 is "song" (referring to pop music) and 순위 means "ranking" (as in, a record chart). Random86 (talk) 02:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you.Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing issues at Korean influence on Japanese culture[edit]

Could we please get some eyes on Korean influence on Japanese culture? Numerous sourcing issues have been raised on this very sensitive topic. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Kang Jin, Sam In-li Torreya Nucifera (Coniferous Tree)[edit]

There is currently a requested move discussion at Talk:Kang Jin, Sam In-li Torreya Nucifera (Coniferous Tree)#Requested move 25 June 2016 which would probably benefit from some more comments. PC78 (talk) 12:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

The Scam (2009 film) listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Choga (architecture)[edit]

Can someone provide Hangul and ko interwiki for this? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. Most of the article was a copyvio, though. Random86 (talk) 12:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Korean website reliability discussion[edit]

Hi, I've started a discussion about the website http://dailygame.co.kr at the reliable sources notice board. If some of you guys could help out that would be great.--Prisencolin (talk) 00:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization[edit]

Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:19, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

New article - Disability in North Korea[edit]

The article is now in mainspace, please help improve it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)