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Need new article for 26 yr old woman being sentenced to male jail
- Thanks for suggesting it. I would have liked to pick it up but it fits Arbcom's wide definition of 'sexuality', hopefully someone else will draft it out. It would take careful sourcing to avoid WP:BLP1E. --Fæ (talk) 05:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
DEFAULTSORT for Drag Queens?
I was looking at Category:RuPaul's Drag Race contestants and was wondering if there was any guidance that anyone had on the proper sorting. Unlike most stagenames that I've seen, it is sometimes unclear how much of the drag name is intended as the First Name, whether there is a middle name, and how much should be viewed as a Last Name. Examples of Queens who have been RuPaul's Drag Race constestants where it is unclear to me include
- Alaska Thunderfuck 5000
- Shangela Laquifa Wadley
- Madame LaQueer
- Monica Beverly Hillz
- Mrs. Kasha Davis
- Jaidynn Diore Fierce
- At the moment, I have no answers, but I think this may be my favorite question ever on Wikipedia. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)th
- Barring anyone with any more experience posting input, I'm going to suggest the possibilities that we view these not as human names, but as the names of acts. Marvin Lee Aday, when he performs, is Meat Loaf, but we would not alphabetize that as Loaf, Meat.
- Having said that, I see enormous complexity particularly in the first name. If we treat it just as an act name, it's "Alaska Thunderfuck 5000". If we treat it as a human name, then Thunderfuck may be a middle name, so it alphabetizes as "5000, Alaska Thunderfuck"; it may be that "Thunderfuck 5000" is a last name, so it's "Thunderfuck 5000, Alaska", or it may be that the 5000 is a generational suffix, a la Jr., VI, etc., in which case I believe that the proper sort is on "Thunderfuck, Alaska 5000".
- So I'm pretty sure I've not helped. --Nat Gertler (talk) 01:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- I think it may indeed make sense to sort these as-is, i.e. sort "Alaska Thunderfuck 5000" as "Alaska Thunderfuck 5000". If, however, they are to be sorted by last name, I would say: "Wadley, Shangela Laquifa", "LaQueer, Madame" (noting that we sort Madame Roland under "Roland, Madame"), "Davis, Mrs. Kasha" (same logic), and "Fierce, Jaidynn Diore". -sche (talk) 05:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is definitely a trickier question than most. I'd suggest that either we should treat them all as an "act name", as Nat Gertler suggested, or we should use a split (closer to what's currently done in that category, although some people might need adjustment) in which a name that functionally serves as a Firstname Lastname is sorted as such, while one-namers like BenDeLaCreme and arbitrary guesswork cases like Alaska get treated as act names. I think I'd prefer to go with the former, to be honest, because if we go with the latter there are still going to be some cases (e.g. Detox or Honey Mahogany) that land right on the dividing line, where it could be interpreted either way and we'd have to have a separate debate about each individual case (which, just ugh). Plus some of the queens were just referred to in the show's internal universe by a first name rather than their actual full drag name (e.g. Alaska, Detox, Katya and Shangela) for either "dirty word" or "who wants to actually try to pronounce that?" reasons, with the result that some readers may not even actually know the full name and thus would get lost trying to find them in a lastname-sorted list. I definitely wouldn't expect to find Meat Loaf alphabetized under L either. Bearcat (talk) 20:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
A move discussion is taking place at Talk:Bullycide to change the title from Bullycide to Bullying and Suicide.
Someone brought to my attention that we have an article on heteroflexible but not homoflexible. Indeed, Heteroflexibility, where they're both discussed, with an emphasis on the former. At first, I thought this sounded like a wrong I could go right, but looking over that article, I'm not so sure. Is homoflexibility notable on its own—has it been the subject of the sort of high-quality references we have on heteroflexibility? I'd like to think so. Maybe someone could take a look. --BDD (talk) 22:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)redirects to
- And certainly the article is not so full that it cannot be expanded with material on homoflexibility if we have it; as concepts they would seem at first blush to have more in common then in differences, and can be explored more efficiently together. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Epigenetic theories of homosexuality article
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Epigenetic theories of homosexuality#What about Epigenetic theories of heterosexuality ?. It concerns the lack of a heterosexual comparison, what to title the article, and the fact that better sources should be used for the biomedical information (unless there is a WP:MEDDATE aspect preventing better sources). See this comment I made. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)