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(Copied from Talk:Turoyo language#garbled sentence)

Turoyo is not mutually intelligible with Western Neo-Aramaic, having been separated for over a thousand years is considerable, but to a limited degree.

Intro section, 2nd paragraph. Maybe from cut-and-paste, but who can tell what it's supposed to mean?

(Cross-posted to the Talk pages of WikiProjects Syria and Assyria.)--Thnidu (talk) 06:42, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Conflict vs Dispute[edit]

This might have already have been discussed but could dispute, rather than conflict be used to describe the Faroese language conflict and the Norwegian language conflict? These aren't conflicts per say–their disputes. No one is fighting or getting killed over this as with the Gospel riots, rather it is a situation with people with different linguistic philosophies disagreeing. Anyway that's my two cents feel free to disagree I thought it would be good to have a discussion here before I make any edit. Inter&anthro (talk) 07:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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Commons:Photo challenge February 2017 is Multilingualism[edit]

FYI, take a look in commons:Commons:Photo challenge/2017 - February - Multilingualism if you have any file you'd like reuse, but also to upload, maybe in some of your archive at home.--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:49, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Using familycolor altaic to Korean and Japanese[edit]

Should we use this familycolor to Korean and Japanese? Someone want to stop to use it to two languages what I mentioned. (see User talk:Vindication) -- (talk) 14:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Among others, Vovin (2011) provides "the evidence that personal pronouns in Japanese and Korean that have been also cited as a 'proof' of the genetic relationship of these languages to other 'Altaic' languages have nothing to do with them except superficial chance rersemblance." --Vindication (talk) 03:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Vindication#Korean language[edit]

Korean is generally included as a part of altaic hypothesis. See Altaic languages. -- (talk) 14:25, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but the Altaic hypothesis is a hypothesis, and a largely discredited one. You know that Wikipedia articles are not always a reliable source of information. --Vindication (talk) 15:24, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
There are another examples that use familycolor Altaic. (e.g. Turkish language and Mongolian language) Also, we use the colour as an areal classification, not a language family. -- (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
And If we shouldn't use familycolor Altaic just because the hypothesis is discredited, It shoudn't be exist. -- (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Turkish and Mongolian belong to Turkic and Mongolic languages, which are/were widely accepted as Altaic, by the majority of the supporters of the Altaic hypothesis. Koreanic languages aren't. The page Koreanic languages itself contains the sentences "Among extant languages, Korean is considered by most linguists to be a language isolate and by some others as part of the widely rejected Altaic family or the Dravido-Korean languages. Some even suggest an Austronesian connection." in its lead section. --Vindication (talk) 01:32, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Dravido-Korean is just a minor hypothesis and it is even widely discredited than Altaic hypothesis. The Koreanic languages are generally included a part of the Altaic hypothesis along with the Turkic and the Mongolian languages. -- (talk) 05:16, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
There are two problems: 1. Koreanic languages do not have the same status as Mongolic or Turkic languages in the Altaic hypotheis. 2. The Altaic hypothesis is not proven. But as you said, English Wikipedia seems to be using the colour "as an areal classification" to mark Mongolic and Turkic languages, which may enables us to ignore the second problem. The first problem still remains. Koreanic languages are not generally regarded Altaic even by the supporters of the hypothesis. --Vindication (talk) 09:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Georg et al. 1999: says 'The hypothesis of an Altaic language family, comprising the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean...' -- (talk) 09:36, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
If you want to argue that Korean is not a part of the Altaic hypothesis, you should cite a reliable source which can prove your argument. -- (talk) 09:40, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
For all anything going back that far into the past can be proved, we could just as reasonably argue that Korean is the third branch of the Uralic family... which (I can't recall where, though) I *have* actually seen being suggested... 2Q (talk) 10:58, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
The paper you linked (Georg et al. 1999:) concludes that "Despite the great amount of work which has been done to this effect (and most of the credit here surely must go to Doerfer 1963-75), this enterprise [Altaic hypothesis] still has far to go, especially as regards Korean and Japanese." (See p. 92) And the sentence you cited from its abstract says "The hypothesis of an Altaic language family, comprising the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean and, in most recent versions, Japanese languages continues to be a viable linguistic proposal, despite various published claims that it is no longer accepted." which means: the claims supporting the Altaic hypothesis (and among them, some supporting the inclusion of Korean and Japanese) are being raised continuously. It does not say the claims are valid or accepted. The openings typically say "there are these claims" and you should read the article through to see if "but" follows. --Vindication (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

List of historical common names[edit]

I just created List of historical common names. Please help improve it. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:49, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Phonologies of Native American languages[edit]

A new user Fdomanico51997 (talk · contribs) has been changing the phonological inventories of many articles about Native American languages, without poviding adequate sourcing for the changes. A couple directly contradicted reliable sources. Someone might help me take a look at these changes as they all need to be checked against reliable sources.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:59, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Stress indicators[edit]

The symbols for indicating primary and secondary stress appear to be identical, a right-hand single quotation mark or something similar. Are they really the same? If they're different, then the real symbols should be inserted. If they are given correctly, then the difference or apparent similarity should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Is there a particular article you have in mind? The two symbols are identical in form (they're both a small vertical line), but they differ in position: [ˌfɒnɪˈtɪʃən], see Stress (linguistics). – Uanfala (talk) 12:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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This article is a mess.[edit]

Hello. I apologize in advance to any of those I offend in writing this comment. The article, of which the following link refers to, is a mess: I'd like to request some guidance as to how I can improve it. Thank you for your attention. AWearerOfScarves (talk) 20:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

This could do with some copyediting, but I think it's in a much better overall shape than most language articles (in the sense that it does have content and that it is neutral). I volunteer to tidy up the morphology section at some point towards the start of next month (around the time when the new interlinear glossing template will be available). Leaving the rest for others to do. – Uanfala (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
@AWearerOfScarves: I think it's great that you are willing to help clean up the article. I notice what appear to be comments about editing in the text; I assume those were added accidentally and can be removed with controversy. Your edits so far look good. For advice on formatting, you might check the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Thanks again, Cnilep (talk) 00:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! AWearerOfScarves (talk) 10:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Northwest Caucasian languages[edit]

I have started a discussion here (permlink), which requires third party opinions. In short, User:Listofpeople claims that Adyghe language, Kabardian language, and Ubykh language are all dialects of a Circassian language, and I claim that those three are typologically distinct languages, and the Circassian Languages is a subdivision of the Northwest Caucasian language family. I believe I have successfully demonstrated that the consensus among the linguistic community supports what I am saying, while Listofpeople relies mostly on the terms that are locally used in the region and cites non-linguistic sources. The discussion needs more input. Please come and join! :)

Vito Genovese 12:27, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Outside opinions at Talk:Chineasy[edit]

Could use some feedback regarding a disagreement at Chineasy over the inclusion of some stuff. Some relevant edit background: (talk) 01:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

RfC on the WP:ANDOR guideline[edit]

Hi, all. Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC: Should the WP:ANDOR guideline be softened to begin with "Avoid unless" wording or similar?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Sanskrit Transliteration Corrections[edit]

Hello All. I'm looking for experts in Sanskrit who can verify the transliteration to English for the articles in Category:Asanas, the template {{asanas}}, and the article list of asanas. I also need to make sure the Sanskrit spelling (for example: [1]) is correct. ThanksGakiwa (talk) 18:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)