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A list of articles created or tagged under [[Category:Martial arts]] in the last week is available via CatScan at [1]
  • Martial arts - Title/Flagship article badly needs sourcing so we can get it to at least GA.

Guidelines for the amateur wrestlers at WP:ATH[edit]

The Wikipedia:Notability (sports) doesn't have guidelines regarding the amateur wrestlers. So, if guidelines regarding an amateur wrestler's notability for a Wikipedia article exist then they should be mentioned there. And if there hasn't been any consensus regarding such guidelines then it should be developed. I also posted a request regarding the same at the talk page of amateur wrestling but didn't get any response yet. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Need to be linked together[edit]

Category:Finnish karateka need to linked with its Finnish counterpart Luokka:Suomalaiset karatekat I tried doing it myself and failed it makes no sense the french version is linked but not the Finnish version. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization[edit]

Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Moving a stub article forward - Patrick Burris[edit]

What is the protocol for moving an article beyond stub status? I've spent a few hours cleaning up the article on Patrick Burris and humbly submit its beyond stub. Can it be classified as a new article and submitted for DYK? Thoughts? Dnforney (talk) 23:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Florendo Visitacion[edit]

Is he notable? His article was deleted twice and created three times, but his obituary was in the NY Times. That seems like proof of notability.Jakejr (talk) 01:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Article about the state of martial arts in Hong Kong[edit]

Hi guys!

Here is an article about the state of martial arts in Hong Kong:

If anybody wants to use it, feel free!

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

how to find all the deleted aricles?[edit]

A bunch of famous martial art teacher articles have been deleted.

Where can I find them? Seikichi Iha Also the main practioners of Systema had articles.

The article on Iha was very good. What a waste! There must be an archive somewhere, right? (talk) 22:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


I just started the article Kūdō as a friend is a competitor. I myself know very little about martial arts, but it turns out the article exists in 15 languages, so... can someone help clean up the terms and spruce it up a bit? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Teahouse question[edit]

Would someone from WPMA mind taking a look at WP:THQ#I create the page. But how I make it live? Help me please and see if this particular martial artist might be notable enough for a stand-alone article. The draft was mistakenly moved into the "Wikipedia" namespace and there also are quite a number of formatting errors, etc., all of which are fairly easily to fix if there are no notability issues. The article appears to be primarily created by two SPAs and there may be a bit of COI involved, but once again all of that can be fixed if there's sufficient significant coverage for a stand-alone article. FWIW, the subject of the article seems to have won lots of medals at international competition, but I don't know much about MMA and do not know whether this indicates Wikipedia notability. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

That article is truly a mess. It should be moved back to the proper Draft space and cleaned up a lot. No the subject did not win lots of medals - they are apparently won by people he has trained and frankly those connections aren't supported by references. It really is hard to commit to notability.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you PRehse for taking a look and posting something similar at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Surely Larry Tatum is notbale?[edit]

Before I proceed I wish to know with the sources availabe is Larry Tatum notbale? [2] Dwanyewest (talk) 08:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

He was a fairly well known student of Ed Parker. I'm not aware of him meeting any of the criteria at WP:MANOTE, though that doesn't mean he didn't. That means it boils down to him meeting WP:GNG. It seems to me he demonstrated Kenpo techniques in a number of martial arts magazines, but I don't know if that's enough to meet GNG. Papaursa (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

New page for Martial artist[edit]

I have written this draft for a martial artist and fight choreographer for recent hollywood movies, I need some feedback on what can be improved if anything (Australianblackbelt (talk) 11:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC))

Is he notable for anything besides his relationship with Downey? Papaursa (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

K.R.Ali Taekwondo Academy notability question[edit]

Would someone from WP:MARTIAL mind taking a look at this Teahouse question? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red online editathon on sports[edit]

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RFC on sports notability[edit]

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Marcio Stambowsky up for deletion[edit]

Comment if you wish.★Trekker (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Recognized reliable sources[edit]

Does this project have a list of sources which are considered reliable? The pro wrestling project has one which I think is very helpful.★Trekker (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Wrestling at the 2016 Olympics[edit]

Hi, I was wondering what the F meant in the first repechage match in the Wrestling at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman 59 kg article. I presume it's some sort of warning or something but it isn't explained anywhere. Red Fiona (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Karate Proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Wikipedia:WikiProject Karate[edit]

Dear participants of this WikiProject, I am proposing a new WikiProject Karate to bring together editors with knowledge of this art, especially due to Karate becoming an Olympic sport I think it is time to focus energy on the roughly 3500 main space articles associated with Karate. Full description of the rationale and goals can be found at the link above, please comment, discuss (and join if you support this project!) All the best, Mountaincirque 15:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Mountaincirque I have written some suggestions on the talk page if you are interested. Dwanyewest (talk) 16:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: so the consensus at Proposals/Wikipedia:WikiProject Karate seems to be to create it as a task force under WP:WikiProject Martial arts (and listed as a connected task force of WP:WikiProject Japan. We have 8 supporters at this stage which is above the recommended amount to proceed with a project/task force so if editors here are happy we will go ahead and create the task force under this parent WikiProject. Please let us know if you have any comments before we proceed? Mountaincirque · Join WikiProject Karate? 12:41, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Potential Hoax article?[edit]

I'm extremely skeptical about the current Zui quan article, alleging that 'Drunken Fist' is a real historical form of martial arts. Sources about the Jackie Chan movie of that name (Drunken Master in English) seem to suggest that this was a comedic style of martial art invented for the movie, not a respected historical tradition. The current state of referencing on the article do little to alay my suspicions, I think it's fair to doubt the reliability of most of the sources used. Would anybody be able to verify the sources, especially those cited in the 'History' section of the article? Landscape repton (talk) 11:11, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for highlighting this, I found this source (page 50/51):

Which seems to corroborate your idea that this is a 'form' not a style or art, one used for entertainment purposes (maybe a little like WWE). I am leaning towards a rewrite and full reference check rather than a delete. Mountaincirque · Join the Karate Task Force? 14:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

This is a hard one to pick apart, here is another magazine article claiming that it goes back to 1100 CE: [3]. It may take some work to pick this one apart and some Kung Fu experts (I am a Karate person myself mainly)... Mountaincirque · Join the Karate Task Force? 14:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I am not a wushu expert, but some I know have taught a drunken form to a few of their top students. I have never heard any of them claim it is what most of us would call a style. Papaursa (talk) 01:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS[edit]

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

What about Master Sken?[edit]

I was thinking surely Master Sken is notable as was in Batman and considered an important figure in bring Muay Thai to the UK. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Lama (martial art) needs help[edit]

Hey folks -- I came across Lama (martial art) today. It is an absolute mess of weird tone, deadlink citations, promotion of the primary author's Angelfire page, and overall bloat. I am tempted to take it to AfD for a WP:TNT but I wanted to consult with the subject matter experts first to see if someone had access to better sources than me. Is this actually a notable subject? Kung-fu strikes me as a topic that is full of minor offshoots of dubious legitimacy/notability.

Any guidance you have for me would be greatly appreciated. A Traintalk 07:44, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, all of martial arts "is full of minor offshoots of dubious legitimacy/notability." An admittedly quick scan of the article's sources leaves me feeling there's a lack of significant independent coverage. Barring any dissenting views, I'd say go ahead and put it up for Afd. That act often leads to clarificantions and/or additional sources being found. I don't see how it could hurt. Papaursa (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject[edit]

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 17:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

What about these techniques?[edit]

Should the Crane kick and Brazilian kick have their own articles I think the crane kick is worthy of an article. Dwanyewest (talk) 10:31, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

What about Ernest Lieb?[edit]

Does Ernest Lieb fit the notability criteria as I found out he was head of the American Karate AAU board surely that would count as making him noteworthy.Dwanyewest (talk) 01:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't see that heading the AAU board automatically makes him notable. He was well-known, but that's not sufficient to show notability. It does mean, however, that there may be coverage of him that would meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

template question[edit]

At the top of this page is a template for using catscan to search for martial arts articles that were recently created. It doesn't work and I was wondering if anyone knew why or, more importantly, has an easy way to search for those articles. Papaursa (talk) 01:18, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

It has not worked for a long time - I use the New Article option on the Main Project Page (it does the same thing).PRehse (talk) 09:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Which shows how much I've cut back my WP editing. I also used to use that template to search for martial arts articles tagged for notability issues. Anyone have any suggestions for how I can do that now? Papaursa (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Dojo vs. Dōjō[edit]

Was wondering in the context of martial arts whether the macronless "dojo" or the macroned "dōjō" is more commonly used. The article Dojo was recently moved to Dōjō (without any discussion that I can find) because the word is of Japanese origin. Similar page moves were made by the same editor for other "words of Japanese origin" like the one being discussed at Talk:Shogi#Shōgi, so perhaps this page move might also need discussion as well. I was going to file a request at WP:RMTR to have the page moved back as an "undiscussed" move, but I figured I'd ask for feedback from this WikiProject first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject[edit]

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.


On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

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Full contact organisations?[edit]

Karate Combat is a full contact karate organisation by the WKF does it deserve an article? Dwanyewest (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

These are good sources [4][5][6][7] [8]Dwanyewest (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Add 'Official' Record link to Martial Artist InfoBox[edit]

I would like to suggest that athlete's official records be linked from here. Mixed Martial Arts LLC which owns and operates is the Official Record Keeper for the Association of Boxing Commissions. It is the only database for which event results are required to be submitted by state, tribal, and provincial commission to be included as official.

For example:

It also has an active suspension state for athletes currently under medical or administrative suspensions.

The Association of Boxing Commissions recently released a vow of support on their website for this effort as well:

Happy to answer any questions.

12:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)pqMMA

  • Oppose There's enough North American bias in how we adjudicate martial arts records without making it worse. Simonm223 (talk) 12:39, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Reply I am of course not familiar with the adjudication of MMA records here on Wiki, my point being that MMA athletes already have links to both Sherdog and BoxRec, neither of which are official, therefore are not scrutinized for accuracy by any authority such as the grouping of states, tribal, and athletic commissions in North America but is growing to include international commissions as well.

Additionally neither of these sources include active suspension information of athletes, something of paramount safety to athletes competing.

20:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)pqMMA

Naming conventions for Olympic wrestling articles[edit]

Please chip in at the wrestling at the Summer Olympics talk page if you have thoughts on the matter. Schwede66 18:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot Beta[edit]

Hello! Your WikiProject has been selected to participate in the WP 1.0 Bot rewrite beta. This means that, starting in the next few days or weeks, your assessment tables will be updated using code in the new bot, codenamed Lucky. You can read more about this change on the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team page. Thanks! audiodude (talk) 06:48, 27 February 2019 (UTC)