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Project page makeover[edit]

Hey, guys. I'm in the process of giving the WikiProject page and its task force pages a makeover. Let me know what you all think! ~ Erick Shepherd • (Talk) • 08:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

It's been quite some time since I've posted here, but I just wanted to stop by to say that I like it! I also like seeing how the Wikiproject that I started all those years ago has grown. Best of luck to all of you in the new year in improving Wikipedia's coverage of our great state!-Jeff (talk) 00:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Image request in Baltimore[edit]

I'm working on the article for the Baltimore railroad strike of 1877. I would be very grateful if someone who lives in the area could get a picture of the historical marker located here and upload it to commons for use on the article. I would be happy to do it myself, but unfortunately I'm a day's drive away. TimothyJosephWood 21:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm almost certain that the text of the marker is under copyright of either the state or the MHT. Mangoe (talk) 21:59, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone know how we can find out if it's under copyright? PermStrump(talk) 07:09, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Permstrump, I emailed a representative from the Maryland Historical Trust yesterday evening, but they're out of the office until next week. I also posted on copyright questions and the sole comment seems to be against.
Doing my own bit of digging it looks like freedom of panorama does include certain memorials that are commissioned or produced by the US government, but I've not found anything in the context of a state government, of which the MHT is a part.
Pinging @Jmabel: and @Ww2censor: since they've been helpful previously on copyright issues. TimothyJosephWood 12:15, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I saw this yesterday and wondered about it. My thoughts are that, being a 3D object, there is some artistic merit in the design of the marker, so copyright would belong to the designer who is most likely the state of Maryland. However, Maryland is not one of the states whose work is in the public domain, so there is no clarity there. Obviously the image you linked to is copyright to the photographer who took it and I don't see any obvious copyright permission there, so someone may have to take a new photo. I have two questions for you. Was the marker erected pre-1978 without a copyright notice thereby placing it a in the public domain? What benefit is there to the reader to see an image of this marker in the first place when its details are easily made in prose stating the essence of the text if though necessary and the fact the marker exists? You could just avoid the problem entirely. I hate to be unclear so I 'm on the fence but veering towards it being copyright. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
ww2censor, looks like it was placed in 2013. I also note however that the Historical Marker Project site doesn't seem to have any qualms about soliciting individuals to take and upload pictures.
As to the benefit to the reader, I think part of the challenge of these types of articles is linking it to present day relevance, something I haven't gotten too deep into yet in this particular case (I'm still very much in the meat of the event itself). This is the visceral purpose of historical marker projects: to provide a tangible reminder that the ground under your feet was the site of a major significant event. TimothyJosephWood 13:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
What the Historical Marker Project policy is does not concern us; what matters is the copyright status of the marker which, of course, anyone can photograph. While an image would be good, the present day relevance can be explained easily in prose and so avoid any problem. Maybe someone else has some ideas. ww2censor (talk) 13:31, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I was just thinking it might be a clue that a farily large site filled with nothing but images of markers hasn't been shut down, there might be some solid legal reason why they aren't in systemic violation of copyright. TimothyJosephWood 13:50, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Historical Marker Project is almost certainly fair use, but Commons doesn't accept fair-use justifications, so such an image of a copyrighted marker would not be welcome there. It might be OK within en-wiki by using Template:Non-free use rationale. - Jmabel | Talk 15:08, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Timothyjosephwood, does it matter if the small print is legible or would it still illustrate whatever you had in mind as long as "Great Railroad Strike of 1877" at the top is clearly legible? Because I could stand further back and take a picture that gives more context to the marker's surroundings, that way it's not just a picture of the marker alone and doesn't include the entire text. If the actual content of what's written is the important part, either it could be paraphrased in the body or it might meet the criteria of the non-free use rationale, and when the person you wrote to gets back to town, presumably they'll be happy submit whatever's needed to allow WP to use it. PermStrump(talk) 17:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

That might work. I figured the person who reads the article has a fairly good chance of being from Baltimore, and the objective is more or less to anchor what they just read to "that spot you drive by twice a week but didn't think much about". TimothyJosephWood 17:13, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
"that spot you drive by twice a week but didn't think much about". ← That's exactly what I've been thinking. :) PermStrump(talk) 17:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Timothyjosephwood should have told me it was Baltimore Comic-Con this weekend. The marker is right next to the convention center and I felt out of place in my running clothes. :-P I took some pictures yesterday and was about to upload one to commons, but I've never uploaded anything there before, so I wanted to double check with someone before uploading it first to be safe. I explained the situation to someone in the IRC, that in the picture I took the smaller text isn't legible and there are other things in the picture besides the marker. They said to go through Commons:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder to be safe because "arguably it is a 3D work" although they said it's a stretch to call it 3D art. I guess that's what Jmabel and Ww2censor said too, but I misunderstood and thought we were just talking about the actual text being copyrighted. Timothyjosephwood, I guess ping me when the person you emailed from the MHT comes back from vacation and responds? PermStrump(talk) 14:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Umm...sure? I actually live in Kentucky, so, you know...I just assume that everyone else also doesn't wear shoes. I just like riots, and your fair city seems to have had one. TimothyJosephWood 23:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Timothyjosephwood I wasn't being serious that you should have warned me about comic-con. I was just surprised when I got there and was surrounded by superheroes. Obviously, if anyone, I'm the one who should have known what was going on in Baltimore last weekend. :) PermStrump(talk) 22:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Good news everyone. Here's the response from the Maryland Historical Trust:

Our file photos are public record and we hold no copyright. We do request credit for use of photos from our files or our website, such as "photo courtesy of the Maryland Historial Trust." We also hold no copyright over other's images of the roadside historical markers.

So I suppose the question is now, given that Permstrump has photos, and...well...given that we can pretty much take whatever photo we want, how do we translate this e-mail into a justification for commons? TimothyJosephWood 22:00, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Going ahead and repinging @Ww2censor:, since, if we can figure this out, it means the entire archive of the MHT is available for use on Maryland articles. TimothyJosephWood 12:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Based on their response it seem that the template {{attribution|Maryland Historial Trust}} will be the appropriate copyright tag. ww2censor (talk) 15:20, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Was I supposed to put the attribution template on the images I just uploaded to commons (image 1, image 2)? I was planning to, but thought there would be a prompt or obvious place to put it and I realized after I had uploaded them that I never put the template anywhere. PermStrump(talk) 22:32, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
FYI I asked the same question at Commons:Help desk#Where to add attribution template? Timothyjosephwood, I won't be offended if you don't use one of my pictures, but I figured I'd upload them since I took them. PermStrump(talk) 23:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

US 50,000 Challenge invite[edit]

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more states than they might otherwise work on. If there's the interest I will start 1000 State Challenges like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of states regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for the US and your specialist/home state like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every state, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any state sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thankyou.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:16, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages[edit]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Maryland[edit]

Hi my name is Beth and I like my father have lived here all of my life. I read the article concerning Phoenix, MD and I noticed something that I believe is incorrect. To my knowledge there is no airport, not a public one anyway. There is an old Nike site in Phoenix that left many surrounding properties well water undrinkable. Water from wells on Paper Mill Rd was piped to those houses including those on Sunnybrook Rd sometime in the 1990s. The Greater Jacksonville Association silenced the fire stations emergency siren some time in the late 1980s or early 1990s, this was a result of new resident's complaints. The complaints were made after they knowingly purchased a home directly behind a working fire station and before reliable communication i.e. cell phones, etc. Other than that it looks good. The actual original town of Phoenix is located on the NCR Trail where it crosses Phoenix Road almost across from the Hunt Valley Golf Course.Betha7123 (talk) 07:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)Beth ABetha7123 (talk) 07:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft article for David Trone[edit]

On behalf of David Trone and Hickman Analytics, I have submitted a draft article about this American businessman as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Given my conflict of interest, I will not publish the article to the main space and ask independent editors to review this draft for accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability. Is there a WikiProject Maryland participant who will help move the draft into the main space? Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 14:56, 17 March 2017 (UTC)