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Nomination without correct map[edit]

I would like to nominate Æthelflæd, daughter of Alfred the Great and the chief female military leader in Anglo-Saxon England, for A-Class, but I only have a map for her husband, and I have requested an amended map at the graphics workshop. Is it OK to nominate the article without waiting for the correct map? Dudley Miles (talk) 13:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I'd say go for it - you could make the argument that the current map, given that it provides the situation in England at around the time she took the throne is perfectly valid. You might even keep it in the article once the updated map is available to show the territorial changes during her reign. Parsecboy (talk) 14:11, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I have not tried to get a map for when she died as the situation was changing so fast at that time that it would not be practical. I have blown up the southern part of the current map - to make room to show more places - and asked for a map showing the places which are mentioned in the article. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Templates for discussion[edit]

Several templates have been nominated for discussion; please see this entry, as well as below it on the Templates for discussion page:

K.e.coffman (talk) 03:54, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

History of the Great War[edit]

It's been suggested that I put faces to names but having looked through commons, I can't find photos of Edmonds et al. If anyone could help by uploading the usual suspects I'd be grateful. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 08:53, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Military operation or Military intervention[edit]

Per the meaning I found for 'intervention', one may say that not all the military operations are military interventions. Said that, I'd like to know if we can have separate lists for 'Military operations' and 'Military interventions' of a country. I know that the latter can be a sub-list of the former. Thanks. felestin1714 (talk) 12:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Raul Escribano[edit]

Would someone mind taking a look at Raul Escribano and assessing it? Article was just created by a new editor, who for some reason added a {{Edit protected}} to the article's talk page. I think the creator might be mistaking the template as a way to protect the article from being edited by others. Anyway, I'm also not quite sure if this soldier's rank or the positions he has held are sufficient for WP:SOLDIER. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: As a brigadier general, he is notable enough under WP:SOLDIER. You may be right about the template. TeriEmbrey (talk) 18:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification about WP:SOLDIER TeriEmbrey. The template was removed by another editor. Also, thanks to anyone who saw my original post and did some clean up on the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Based upon c:User talk:Marchjuly#Raul Escribano Image, it appears that Erik4j has declared a WP:COI and may have actually been ordered by his superiors to create the article about Escribano. This is an interesting case, so I'm not sure if anything needs to be done with respect to this other than perhaps advise Erik4j relevant policies/guidelines that relate to COI editing and point him to a page like WP:PSCOI. Anyone come across this kind of thing before? Could this be considered a form of paid editing? -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: This is correct. I work for BG Escribano as an office assistant and he wanted a wiki page to be created for him. I am in the Air Force as an E-5 assigned to a joint position under him, but to my understanding, the term soldier is used for any Army member much like for the Air Force, Airman is used for any individual Air Force member. I apologize if I have mad editing errors but I am not terribly keen on how this editing format works. My boss has a fear that the "anyone can edit wiki" will maybe mess with his public information, so to alleviate that, I did add the edit protection with the understanding that it stops edits without references. The general gave me a task and I'm trying to get this done as best as possible. I used the template from Malcolm Frost's wiki page as a guideline and edited the information to match BG Escribano. Let me know how I can fix any issues! Thanks for your help, it is greatly appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik4j (talkcontribs) 1 December 2016 (UTC+9) (UTC)
Thanks Erik4j. Your boss is correct that the "anyone can edit wiki" means anyone can edit the wiki, including his page ... if he's been a bad boy that might indeed mess with his image. He needs to understand that he does not own the article and has no control over its destiny. You need to read WP:PSCOI and WP:COI and, ideally, make suggestions for change on the talk page of the article and not to the article itself. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi again Erik4j. In addition to what Tagishsimon posted above, you might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not because it seems that your boss might have some misconceptions about what Wikipedia is about. Basically, articles can be created and edited by anyone anywhere in the world at anytime. The Wikipedia community has established various policies and guidelines over the years to try and maintain a certain standard, but the project is based upon the collaborative editing of volunteers who want to contribute to helping to build the encyclopedia. Wikipedia encourages its editors to be bold, but also wants them to establish a consensus through discussion when there are disagreements. COI editing is not something expressly prohibited by Wikipedia, but it is something which is highly discouraged by the community. Wikipedia articles are intended to be written in our own words in a neutral manner and article content is supposed to reflect what independent, reliable sources say about the subject; articles are not only supposed to reflect what the subject (or those connected to the subject) wants the world to know. Since many COI editors tend to be pretty concerned with the subject's image and portraying it in a certain way, an article can quickly devolve into something too promotional for Wikipedia purpose. When this happens, other editors will step in and clean up the article accordingly. FWIW, Escribano satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines for military personnel so the article is unlikely to be deleted simply because it was created by a COI editor; it will only be deleted if there is a very strong policy-based reason that cannot be appropriately addressed. Moreover, even though Escribano does not have any final editorial control over the article, there are still things he can do if he has concerns about the article as explained in Wikipedia: Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide#What to do when something goes wrong. Also, this WikiProject has lots of dedicated members (many might even have served or still serve in their country's military) who work hard to try and keep military-related articles in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and who have much experience with these types of articles, so they can be a good resource for information and assistance.
One last thing, please try to remember to sign your talk page posts. It's considered good talk page practice because it makes it easier for other editors to know who posted what and when. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Reached out Hi guys, I've reached out to OP as a fellow Air Force member and I'll try to resolve this.--v/r - TP 19:36, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks TParis. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I became aware of this article at T:COI. It seems to cry out for more diverse sources and frankly reads like a Defense Department press release. However, as pointed out above, this is 1) unquestionably a notable subject and 2) the subject ordered a subordinate to write about him. Given that this is the military, and not a widget manufacturer, I think this has to be dealt with extra care to avoid unnecessary repercussions in R/L. Coretheapple (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2016 (UTC) removals[edit]

User:WoKrKmFK3lwz8BKvaB94 has been removing links to several websites on a number of pages. The one relevant to MILHIST is, and the user is removing it with the edit summary "removing conspiracy theory website". Has this reasoning been discussed somewhere before? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:06, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Note, this has also been raised at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard in this thread. Parsecboy (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
I have seen that source being deleted in past years as being unreliable. I don't know about it being a conspiracy theory website, because I haven't looked at it for years. However, I do recall it was generally considered not up to Wikipedia standards of a verifiable source.— Maile (talk) 01:36, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
That's my recollection too. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Likewise. isn't reliable (as it's a random collection of stuff these days, sadly), but I haven't seen it hosting conspiracy theories. Nick-D (talk) 00:27, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

List of National Defence Academy alumni FLC[edit]

Having the passed the A-class review, the list is now a FLC. Presently the list is divided as Chief of Staffs (Army, Navy, Air Force), Wartime Award Recipients (PVC, MVC, VC), Peacetime award recipients (AC, KC, SC), but an editor has proposed to revamp the entire structure stating that the present one is complicated to surf, and must be done based on services. Bit I feel that even if the alumni has been divided per the services, again they need to sud-divided among chiefs, wartime and peacetime award recipients, and would be the same as it is, now. I request comments regarding this on the nomination page. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:24, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Stand-alone lists being nominated as Good Articles[edit]

--Redrose64 (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2016 (UTC)