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So... is Rizin seriously not listed -at all- under any tier? The debate about revamping notability guidelines has been going on for years. This project is now laughably out of date to the point that wiki is quickly becoming a focus of criticism when it comes to missing fighter pages (see complaints about Mickey Gall, Sage Northcutt, Rin Nakai, etc. or many other fighters who lacked the magic number of fights in the top tier but are still clearly notable for other reasons).

I'd suggest Rizin as tier 1 as it's basically the new Pride and has had several top names fighting for it, but not necessarily ranked fighters. However as MMA:NOT exists now, it'd probably be tier2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:12, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Rizin is considered a "Second Tier" promotion. Ppt1973 (talk) 13:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
No issue if under WP:MMATIER it is entered as second tier.PRehse (talk) 13:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


No harm no foul since I think the move was correct and it does not affect notability but I think changes to WP:MMATIER should be discussed first.PRehse (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Bellator reversion[edit]

I reverted the unilateral decision by Ppt1973 to make Bellator top tier again. Changes should only be made by consensus after discussion. Papaursa (talk) 17:13, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Do we really have to continue this? They just held an incredible PPV event in Madison Square Garden featuring legends like Fedor, Wanderlei and Sonnen. They just signed Gegard Mousassi. They now have Bader, Davis, Minakov, Mousassi, Freire, Lima, MacDonald and Larkin in the Sherdog Top 10's. Those rankings dont even take into account all the other stars on their roster - Liam McGeary literally just fell out, as well as Michael Chandler (thanks to an ankle break). Koreshkov, Mitrione, Page, King Mo, Henderson and many more would also be on the periphery of Sherdog's rankings and/or included in other rankings like MMA Junkie. I find it very strange for us to base top tier status on such a clearly flawed system. At some point common sense must prevail. IIISmokeyIII (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
It was the "clearly flawed system" where people claimed virtually any professional MMA fighter was notable that led to the consensus of setting objective criteria for MMA organizations and fighters. Having past their prime fighters like "like Fedor, Wanderlei and Sonnen", who can no longer compete in the UFC, doesn't put Bellator in a favorable light. Sonnen had lost 4 of his last 5 fights before beating Silva (that's 1 win in over 5 years) and Fedor hasn't won a top tier fight since 2011. That's not to say those fighters aren't notable, but rather that they don't prove Bellator is the highest level of MMA fighting. Papaursa (talk) 03:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)