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Reclassification of Cyclopenenone prostaglandins[edit]

Would someone review the Cyclopentenone prostaglandins article for the purpose of reclassifying it? The article has recently been greatly expanded. Although it is categorized as a Pharmacy and Pharmacology article, it is better categorized in the Molecular and Cellular biology section. All of the prostaglandins are so categorized (e.g. see prostaglandin). Also, the article as currently formatted is correctly redirected from 15-deoxy-Δ12,14-prostaglandin J2 (15-d-Δ12,14-PGJ2), a principal cycloentenone prostaglandin. Is it possible to similarly redirect it from other cyclopenentone prostaglandins viz., Δ12-PGJ2, PGJ2, PGA2, and PGA1, discussed in the article (but not given separate Wikipedia pages elsewhere) and, if so, how do I do that? Thanks, (User talk:joflaher). 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Revisit figure of Illumina dye sequencing[edit]

Illumina sequencing is a very important method to know nowadays, as least for anyone working in molecular biotechnology. The figure for the creation of clusters is correct, but could use someone who puts in some love. It was obviously drawn quickly and I think the article deserves more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumina_dye_sequencing

There are many nice resources to find inspirations, such as the Youtube channel of illumina.

Facto Post – Issue 2 – 13 July 2017[edit]

Issue 2 – 13 July 2017
Facto Post – Issue 2 – 13 July 2017
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Editorial: Core models and topics[edit]

Wikimedians interest themselves in everything under the sun — and then some. Discussion on "core topics" may, oddly, be a fringe activity, and was popular here a decade ago.

The situation on Wikidata today does resemble the halcyon days of 2006 of the English Wikipedia. The growth is there, and the reliability and stylistic issues are not yet pressing in on the project. Its Berlin conference at the end of October will have five years of achievement to celebrate. Think Wikimania Frankfurt 2005.

Progress must be made, however, on referencing "core facts". This has two parts: replacing "imported from Wikipedia" in referencing by external authorities; and picking out statements, such as dates and family relationships, that must not only be reliable but be seen to be reliable.

In addition, there are many properties on Wikidata lacking a clear data model. An emerging consensus may push to the front key sourcing and biomedical properties as requiring urgent attention. Wikidata's "manual of style" is currently distributed over thousands of discussions. To make it coalesce, work on such a core is needed.

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Facto Post – Issue 16 – 30 September 2018[edit]

Facto Post – Issue 16 – 30 September 2018
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In an ideal world ... no, bear with your editor for just a minute ... there would be a format for scientific publishing online that was as much a standard as SI units are for the content. Likewise cataloguing publications would not be onerous, because part of the process would be to generate uniform metadata. Without claiming it could be the mythical free lunch, it might be reasonably be argued that sandwiches can be packaged much alike and have barcodes, whatever the fillings.

The best on offer, to stretch the metaphor, is the meal kit option, in the form of XML. Where scientific papers are delivered as XML downloads, you get all the ingredients ready to cook. But have to prepare the actual meal of slow food yourself. See Scholarly HTML for a recent pass at heading off XML with HTML, in other words in the native language of the Web.

The argument from real life is a traditional mixture of frictional forces, vested interests, and the classic irony of the principle of unripe time. On the other hand, discoverability actually diminishes with the prolific progress of science publishing. No, it really doesn't scale. Wikimedia as movement can do something in such cases. We know from open access, we grok the Web, we have our own horse in the HTML race, we have Wikidata and WikiJournal, and we have the chops to act.

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Removal of 3DMet data from {{Chembox}}[edit]

At the moment, the article about 3DMet (one in the Category:Chemical databases (46)), is up for deletion (AfD). Reason is lack of WP:NOTABILITY, as measured by ~not being referenced in secondary (independent) sources. IOW, virtually no sources refer to it as useful etc. or actually use 3DMet.

If and when this article is deleted, it follows that the {{Chembox}} data row (|3DMet= in {{Chembox}}) should be removed too (we should not link or point to an irrelevant and not-notifyable database). Today, some 126 articles use parameter |3DMet=: [1].

Action needed: The only way to save this information is to prove notability of 3DMet by adding secondary sources (read the AfD though for an investigation already made into this: few sources are sound). -DePiep (talk) 07:23, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Huh? WP:N has nothing to do with infoboxes. That an article isn't notable by the particular definition used in notability policies does not mean it isn't useful in chemboxes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
If the 3DMet database is not noteworthy in Wikipedia, then referring/linking to it is not noteworthy either. How can an irrelevant database be relevant in infoboxes? -DePiep (talk) 14:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Or, the other way around: if there is a useful application of 3DMet data in literature (for some compound), that would be a supporting reference for 3DMet. -DePiep (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
"Relevant" in the sense of an infobox and "relevant" in the sense of WP:Notability are not the same thing at all. For example, if the database is frequently used by chemists but seldom discussed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that is the point: if its usage & virtues are not ending up in sources (publications), it is clearly not relevant. Not the database, not the application wrt a compound. If the database would add really something to some research issue, that creates relevance. In the end: Why have a redlink i.e. nonexistant "3DMet" in the lefthand side of {{Chembox}}, with data (ID) in righthandside? -DePiep (talk) 15:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Talk central is here. I'll reproduce/link your argument there shortly. -DePiep (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Advice on new article: Ragulator-Rag complex[edit]

I just added a new article by my class (Ragluator-Rag complex) and was wondering what to do to get it noticed and properly indexed or catagorized.137.142.46.79 (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC) Sorry, I wasn't logged in, Jparcoeur (talk) 19:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jparcoeur: You came to the right place. I've made some edits and suggestions on the article's talk page. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 11:08, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Heterosaccharide[edit]

Does this need to be its own article, or can it be redirected to something else, like saccharide possibly? I don't know enough to tell. ♠PMC(talk) 09:00, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018[edit]

Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018
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Wikidata imaged

Around 2.7 million Wikidata items have an illustrative image. These files, you might say, are Wikimedia's stock images, and if the number is large, it is still only 5% or so of items that have one. All such images are taken from Wikimedia Commons, which has 50 million media files. One key issue is how to expand the stock.

Indeed, there is a tool. WD-FIST exploits the fact that each Wikipedia is differently illustrated, mostly with images from Commons but also with fair use images. An item that has sitelinks but no illustrative image can be tested to see if the linked wikis have a suitable one. This works well for a volunteer who wants to add images at a reasonable scale, and a small amount of SPARQL knowledge goes a long way in producing checklists.

Gran Teatro, Cáceres, Spain, at night

It should be noted, though, that there are currently 53 Wikidata properties that link to Commons, of which P18 for the basic image is just one. WD-FIST prompts the user to add signatures, plaques, pictures of graves and so on. There are a couple of hundred monograms, mostly of historical figures, and this query allows you to view all of them. commons:Category:Monograms and its subcategories provide rich scope for adding more.

And so it is generally. The list of properties linking to Commons does contain a few that concern video and audio files, and rather more for maps. But it contains gems such as P3451 for "nighttime view". Over 1000 of those on Wikidata, but as for so much else, there could be yet more.

Go on. Today is Wikidata's birthday. An illustrative image is always an acceptable gift, so why not add one? You can follow these easy steps: (i) log in at https://tools.wmflabs.org/widar/, (ii) paste the Petscan ID 6263583 into https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/ and click run, and (iii) just add cake.

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Featured quality source review RFC[edit]

Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox gene changes[edit]

Yep, still on this old horse. Have posted at Wikiproject Medicine: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Help_needed_improving_gene_infobox_(alternate_title:_Tom_(LT)'s_annual_gene_infobox_whinge) --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:C3orf67 review[edit]

Could somebody take a look at Draft:C3orf67? I have a basic familiarity with the subject matter, but don't know what our notability guidelines are for these sorts of articles. Should this be moved to mainspace? Please leave your comments on the draft. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Protein-coding genes are considered notable by default but the format is odd. I'd point the author to TBR1 as a template seeing as that is a good article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Topic Page on Selfish genetic element[edit]

PLOS Genetics has now joined PLOS Computational Biology in its Topic Pages initiative. As part of this, an article was drafted, peer reviewed and published in PLOS Genetics and has now been copied over to the Selfish genetic element wikipedia page. Comments and suggestions welcome! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Help with draft on Ferlin proteins[edit]

There is a new editor looking for help with a draft, User:Sam orbital/sandbox/Ferlin. While from a layman standpoint, there are no issues with the article, and imho it is ready for mainspace, it could probably do with someone from this project taking a look at it. Thanks in advance for your help. Onel5969 TT me 12:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you User:onel5969 for your time and suggestions, and for submitting the draft for me. I included your suggestions in the newest version and also added a new figure which I meant to add earlier. --Sam orbital (talk) 23:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)Sam orbital

Large genetics class off the rails[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Education_noticeboard#Large_genetics_class_off_the_rails and the pages linked there, which need checking. Jytdog (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2018 (UTC)