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Lin-Manuel Miranda[edit]

There's a debate going on at Lin-Manuel Miranda about whether or not to include actor in the lead. Please join the discussion. JDDJS (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

This debate is still going; now it's about singer. Since it's basically a deadlock between me and an other editor, please break help break the tie, one way or another. JDDJS (talk) 11:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Done. I don't believe singer should be used in he lead.Mark E (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Help/eyes needed[edit]

Lemaroto (talk · contribs) has been edit-warring at length on Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat to change the infobox entries contrary to the style guidelines of this project. Moreover, the user has a long history, going back to August 2013, of frequent talkpage warnings about edit-warring and disruptive editing [1], which he always removes. He also leaves no edit summaries, or (now) misleading edit summaries. Could people put that article on their watch lists and help revert as appropriate? I don't want to breach 3RR. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 04:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Isn't he right about the film adaptation section, though? -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:55, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
The material he added there is verbatim already in the "1990s" section of the Productions section of article, so it's redundant; and it's also missing a citation. There's certainly a case to be made that only the stage production info should stay in the Productions section, and that the straight-to-video info can go in the Film section (with a brief mention of Osmond's stage run), but that's not what he has done; he has just wholesale copied and replicated, except for the citation.

Also, now that you mention that section, the film thing proposed in 2012 is just a chimera, and should be removed at this point. The only thing even remotely possibly in the works is the animation, but even it is only "announced" at this point, so it should probably be removed as well until it actually reaches the production phase: [2]. -- Softlavender (talk) 11:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: Thanks for the nudge on that front, Ssilvers; I went ahead and made those changes, and also fixed something that had been screwed up who knows when in the Development section. Softlavender (talk) 12:26, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
The film stuff was still in there twice. It only belongs in the adaptations section. Since major people are involved in the announced animated film, I think it's worth mentioning, so I restored the key facts about it. I did a copy-edit of some of the article. I note that the development section is missing the key information about how the musical was conceived and how the collaboration came about. I don't watch that article, so let me know if you have any questions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your extensive help with the article, Ssilvers. I somehow missed seeing it until today when the article appeared at the top of my watchlist again. If I have time I'll see if I can find info about the inception of the piece. Softlavender (talk) 03:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Indefinite Parisian Model[edit]

I've started A Parisian Model, the 1906 Broadway musical which cemented Ziegfeld's fame as well as that of Anna Held. But I find I'm not sure if the show is *A* Parisian Model or *The* Parisian Model. Various legitimate sources use one or the other. I find newspaper ads in the New York Sun for "The Parisian Model". Any input welcome!--Milowenthasspoken 13:08, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was intended to be "A", following the pattern of An Artist's Model. The IBDB uses "A", and their information is usually derived from the Broadway playbill. The original sheet music was published under "A Parisian Model". -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Ah, the sheet music, I didn't think of that. (I couldn't find a playbill or official cast listing yet). So many sources used "The" even in 1906-08 in reporting (including the New York Times review of opening night), no doubt just to cause anal wikipedia editors to fret 110 years later.--Milowenthasspoken 14:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Most of the Edwardian musical comedies started with the definite article "The": The Arcadians, The Girl from Utah, The Toreador, The Geisha, The Earl and the Girl, so the press was used to calling them "The". But they sometimes used the indefinite article "A": An Artist's Model, A Chinese Honeymoon, A Gaiety Girl, A Runaway Girl. When I wrote those articles, I always had the same problem, but the publisher of the sheet music is reliable, and often I could find the original posters or theatre cards advertising the productions, if not the playbills. In fact, I don't think producers cared about it very much, and Mordden's book explains that, while the original program said A Parisian Model, "most" sources restyled the show's title as "The Parisian Model". See footnote 2 on p. 83. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Frozen Musical[edit]

Developmental Lab (11/2016) and Staged Reading (5/2016) cast:

  • Elsa: Betsy Wolfe
  • Anna: Patti Murin
  • Young Elsa: Brooke Besikof
  • Young Anna: Mattea Conforti
  • Olaf: Greg Hildreth — Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicaltheatreCA (talkcontribs) 18:53, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the poster wants/informs with the above post. Anyway, the article on the Frozen musical looks pretty well documented to date (see Frozen (musical)). Flami72 (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Actually, no 11/2016 information is given in the article, and no citations about it are provided. I removed some of the non-notable names from the info about the 5/2016 developmental lab (some of these actors appear in the actual production and are named in the original cast list). -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)