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2013 ARCA images up[edit]

I finally finished uploading images of the field from the 2013 ARCA race at Road America. I didn't get a photo of one local start and park driver in his only national race. So if you write an article on someone who passed through the ARCA ranks in 2013, there's a good chance that there's already an image on him at Commons here. You can also keep in mind that I photographed the whole field at the ARCA Midwest Tour event in 2014 - including great closeup driver shots before the race and cars on the track (some found here but I can upload anything else like Ty Majeski or NASCAR drive for Diversity driver Natalie Decker who both have a good shot at the big time). Royalbroil

Request for project comment on GA reassessment[edit]

2015 Daytona 500 has been nominated for GA reassessment and the nominator asks that this project head to Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/2015 Daytona 500/1 and comment on the matter.--Nascar king 13:44, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on race logos[edit]

A user by the name of Marchjuly has gone through many race articles from the 2014 and 2015 Sprint Cup seasons removing the race logos. He seems relatively new to Wikipedia and works on reducing the amount of non-free logos on Wikipedia. I didn't revert all of them because I wish not to violate the three reverts policy, but I believe that they shouldn't have been removed because I gave a non-free rationale for every one of those images in the 2015 season. I swayed him on the 2015 Daytona 500 logo, but I haven't on the others. Would you guys care to help me out with putting the proper NFR parameters for these race logos?--Nascar king 21:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

The images are all non-free which means that there are specific requirements that they need to satisfy for each specific use. Non-free content must also not be used in any of ways listed in WP:NFC#Unacceptable use. One of these is No. 14 of WP:NFC#UUI which says "A logo of a perennial event (or of its sponsoring company), used to illustrate an article about a specific instance of that event. If each instance has its own logo, such specific logos remain acceptable." In simple terms, the non-free logo of a major sporting event (or the event's sponsor) can be used in an article about that sporting event, but it cannot be used in an article about an individual instance of that event. The reason File:2015 Daytona 500 Logo.png can be used in 2015 Daytona 500 is because it is a logo specific to that particular year's race. That is why File:2014 Daytona 500 logo.jpg is acceptable for 2014 Daytona 500 and this image will most likely be acceptable for "2016 Daytona 500". I admitted to Nascarking that I removed the 2015 Daytona 500 logo in error, but there is no indication that any of the other logos are year-specific to a particular race. For example, File:STP 500 Martinsville.jpg is used in STP 500 which is fine. Unlike the 2015 Daytona 500 logo, however, the image is not specific to a particular year so it should not be used in 2014 STP 500, 2015 STP 500, etc. Non-free images are supposed to be used minimally. If there was no stand-alone article for "STP 500", then using the image in the article for the first race the logo was used would make sense. "STP 500" does, however, exist and can be wikilinked so the logo should not really be used anywhere other than "STP 500".
Maybe it's easier to follow my reasoning if I use examples from other sporting event articles. Non-free logos are being used in the various World Series, Super Bowl, Kentucky Derby, NCAA Baskeball Tournament, etc. articles, because they are year-specific. A non-free logo like File:Wimbledon.svg is fine for The Championships, Wimbledon, but it's not OK to use in 2014 Wimbledon Championships or 2013 Wimbledon Championships, etc. because the logo is not specifically for either year. On the other hand, File:2011 Wimbledon Championships poster.jpg can be used in 2011 Wimbledon Championships because it is for that particular year, but it cannot be used in the 2014 article for the same tournament. Clarification about the non-free use of then images can be requested at WP:NFCR if you like. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:12, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
@Nascarking: I believe I found some year-specific logos for 2014 Duck Commander 500 and 2015 Duck Commander 500. This logo from this webpage is probably OK to use because, unlike File:Duck Commander 500 logo.jpg, it includes the actual (scheduled) date of the race. The same goes for this logo for the 2015 version of the race taken from this webpage I think this one is also OK to use (minus the Sprint Cup series logo because that's a separate non-free image in and of itself which requires a separate non-free rationale). These dates might seem like a minor details, but they do show, in my opinion, that the logos are specific for a particular year and, therefore, avoid any problems with No. 14 of NFC#UUI. FWIW, I'll keep looking for year-specific versions of the other various logos. - Marchjuly (talk) 04:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Directly linking to race articles in infoboxes[edit]

How should we link the "first race", "first win" and "last win" parameters in {{Infobox NASCAR driver}}? Should we link them like we do for the lower series (and until recently, Cup) by having [[20XX NASCAR Series|20XX]] [[race name]] ([[track name|track]]) (example: 2015 Coke Zero 400 (Daytona)) or directly link them as [[20XX race]] ([[track name|track]]) (example: 2015 Coke Zero 400 (Daytona)? While it might be more convenient to just directly link it, I feel like it doesn't provide consistency with the lower series ones, since they often do not have articles themselves. Zappa24Mati 17:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd link directly to the event, redlink or not, if only to encourage creation of the link. (Also because it's the more intuitive linking; I've frequently followed Olympic & F1 links that go to the country or city & not the venue, or to the sport & not the event, which the page link suggests... :( )Where there is no page, is it possible to add a link for the series? Or would there always be a link to the series elsewhere on the page? That is, I'd not want to wipe out a link to the series proper in favor of consistency. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:11 & 19:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
The only thing I can come up with if we were to use the 2015 Coke Zero 400 format in the infobox for lower series races (let's use the 2012 Xfinity Formerly Nationwide race at Indy, for example) is to have 2014 DRIVE4COPD 300 link to the race page (DRIVE4COPD 300), since linking it to Xfinity Series wouldn't make much sense. But speaking of linking to the series, the infobox already provides the series name as "NASCAR Xfinity Series career" so we don't need to worry about that. While we're on the topic of lower-series races and encouraging creation, however, most lower-series race reports aren't notable enough for article creation, unlike Cup races, so that's when the problem arrives: We're going to have far too many redlinks for pages that are never going to be created because they simply aren't notable enough, when we could just use the (year) (race) (track) format that's currently used at {{Latest NASCAR Cup}} and its lower-series templates. Zappa24Mati 20:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)