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Training camp invites[edit]

Is the standard procedure to not add training camp contracts until the team announces them, typically in later September? That's seems to be what came out of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_26#Fun_With_Contracts.2C_part_II:_Training_Camp. Bryce Alford had announced on Instagram a while back that he had signed with OKC, and an LA Times writer tweeted a few weeks later that it was only a training camp deal.[1]. I guess it's typical that a team won't announce anything until right before camp?—Bagumba (talk) 12:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's when the team announces them, either in a press release, on their official Twitter (the team's not the player's) or by releasing their training camp roster (I think only the Mavs have done this at this point). I usually also accept that it is official if the team adds the player to their official roster without an announcement (Jeremy Morgan on the Grizzlies is an example) or if the signing is announced on the official transaction page. These are all forms of official announcements. Rikster2 (talk) 12:25, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Undrafted players[edit]

Just noticed that Category:Undrafted National Basketball Association players was CfDed and deleted. I'm surprised a list doesnt exist of NBA players who went undrafted, but I know we add these players to their respective draft articles.—Bagumba (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

That needs to be reinstated. There was no notification to the project and I would guess no discussion from anyone active inthe project. Rikster2 (talk) 10:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, just looked and this discussion, as well as a prior one on NFL players involved no one active on those projects (and minimal discussion at all). Once again the work of professional category editors. Rikster2 (talk) 10:36, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
That is indeed silly. Just because the same category for the NFL was deleted in August 2017, that does not mean that the same should be applied to other leagues. And the reason for deleting these 4 templates is also absurd. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:48, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
I've been editing on Wikipedia for more than ten years and started hundreds of articles, so being called a "professional category editor" is a personal attack.--TM 12:57, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
I was more talking about the people that chimed in on the recommendation. Get a grip and inform relevant projects next time. Rikster2 (talk) 12:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
User:Bearcat has been editing since 2003. User:Arbor to SJ since 2007. Again, personal attacks on other edits won't be tolerated. User:Nyttend since 2006. Get a grip and realize that a series of experienced editors made the decision to delete the categories.--TM 13:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
So since you have been around so long, help me understand why you chose NOT to inform the project that a relevant category was nominated for deletion? Poor form. Also, if you think "professional category editor" is an attack your skin is awfully thin. If I personally attacked you, you'd know it. Rikster2 (talk) 13:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

It seems this was nominated before at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_26#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players, where it was kept. Does anyone intend to repopulate the category if it is recreated? (Not sure if there is an automated undo) If so, we can propose to reopen the discussion at WP:DRV. Honestly, I never had a firm understanding on which categories are deemed defining, and the deletion process is loose compared to articles. Maybe time is better spent just creating a list? At least the AfD process lists past discussions for reference.—Bagumba (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

I propose DRV and add the similar NHL category. Rikster2 (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I've asked the closing admin to consider reopening.—Bagumba (talk) 07:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
I went and created List of National Basketball Association undrafted players. Feel free to expand or modify it. It currently lists undrafted played since 2010.—Bagumba (talk) 11:21, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I thought it was odd how everyone voted keep in the previous discussion in 2010 and then basically everyone voted delete on the recent discussions. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:09, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

DRV I've opened a DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_September_10#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players.—Bagumba (talk) 06:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

They have been relisted at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_September_16#Category:Undrafted_National_Basketball_Association_players for more input. Please head there to give your comments. -DJSasso (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Repeating team links in bio's infobox[edit]

As far as I know, the convention in NBA bios is to not duplicate team links in the "Career history" section of the infobox. Checkingfax at Allen Iverson wants to repeat the links: "all items in a list are typically wikilinked for convenience." MOS:DUPLINK allows repeats when the list "is expected to be parsed for particular bits of data, not read from top to bottom". Links are not repeated in FA Juwan Howard and GAs like LeBron James, Manny Harris and Yi Jianlian. I won't lose sleep either way on this, but let's just be consistent. Personally, I skim it from top to bottom, and the non-duplicated links highlight teams with which a player had multiple stints.—Bagumba (talk) 04:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Only linking once in the infobox is how it should be. That's the conventional way I've been editing infoboxes for years now. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
It is usually up to the WikiProject on how they handle their infoboxes. For example, the NFL project links every instance, because that is their preferred format. However, that is changing and some people are starting to adopt our project's approach – link it once. As for NBA, I also think that linking once is enough. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Definitely just first instance. The list of teams in the infobox is never so long that you can't find the link to a team article quickly. Rikster2 (talk) 11:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Expansion of the National Basketball Association[edit]

Help is needed at Expansion of the National Basketball Association as one particular user is edit-warring and does not engage in a discussion. In addition, he/she adds details, which are excessive, useless and speculative. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

National teams in infoboxes[edit]

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#National teams in infoboxes regarding the listing of national teams in the infobox. Please give your opinion as last time nobody took interest in such discussion and at this very moment one specific user is stalking all my edits and reverts without discussing. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)