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Need help for a reference

I need help in finding a proper reference for the following sentence from the 2007 NBA Draft article.

This draft also marked the first time five players in the top 10 were all played in the 2007 NCAA Basketball National Championship Final, three players from Florida and two players from the runner-up, the Ohio State University.

The statement has been there since 2007 but never had a proper reference that confirm the statement. The statement seems to be correct but I couldn't find any news item or articles that mentioned it. I wonder if anyone could help me to find a reference for the statement above. — Martin tamb (talk) 17:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you can ask User:Zagalejo for help. He has access to some published materials and maybe able to help.—Chris! ct 17:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
This says that five players were chosen from the championship game, but it doesn't say that was the first time that happened. It might be difficult to find a source that explicitly says what you need it to say. The user who added the statement probably determined that fact on his own by looking through a bunch of draft lists. Zagalejo^^^ 19:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick replies from both of you, really appreciated. I have rephrase the sentence and include the reference that you found. I have removed the word "first time" from the statement. Hopefully it fits well in the prose. Thanks! — Martin tamb (talk) 08:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

Magic Johnson will be on the Main Page on August 14. Put it on your watchlists, or at least keep an eye on it while it receives the extra exposure. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

2007 NBA Draft‎

2007 NBA Draft‎ is at featured list candidates. Comments are appreciated at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2007 NBA Draft/archive1. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


I just notice this edit on the Template:National Basketball Association Playoffs moved the 1950 NBA Playoffs into the 1940s group. I have changed all the other NBA templates following that edit, but I'm starting to wonder if this is correct. Because in the previous version of the templates, which listed the 1950 under the 1950s group, has been there for a while and no one was changing them. I would like to know what people think about this. — Martin tamb (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's right. I think 1950 NBA Playoffs should be placed in the 1950s and so on.--Crzycheetah 23:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
The majority of the 1949–50 season took place in 1950, so I think it's more suitable in the 1950s. —LOL T/C 23:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I have fix them all again. — Martin tamb (talk) 04:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

NBA Draft articles

I just recently thought of an idea of merging all the rounds into one table in every NBA Draft article, as readers could sort the whole draft, instead of limiting them with only sorting per round. I thought of this during this FLC, and got support by Martin tamb. Any comments/opposes?

Support, the sort function would be more useful if the rounds are merged. I'm thinking about adding and extra column beside the pick to list the round # and the section could be called "Draft board" or something similar. But I guess some formatting are needed to distinguish the first round from the second round other than the round column, maybe a different background color? — Martin tamb (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
That would probably violate WP:COLORS. I would stick to the "Round" column idea. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 18:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I forgot to mention that my idea is not the whole table coloured, just the round column, with different colour for round 1 and 2, just to emphasize on the different rounds. But I wouldn't push the idea, a colourless round column is good enough. — Martin tamb (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I support merging the two tables and then add a column for rounds.—Chris! ct 18:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Done 2003-2009. Too lazy to finish all of them. Would be nice if someone had some spare time, and had the chance to do this. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject National Basketball Association to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 02:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

NBA awards lists

Shouldn't "NBA" be spelled out in the article titles per MOS:ABBR? For example, we have NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but look at National Football League Most Valuable Player Award, which has the league name spelled out. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

We should stick to the one that is correct under the MOS.—Chris! ct 22:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
  • "Acronyms should be used in page naming if the subject is almost exclusively known only by its acronym and is widely known and used in that form"
  • "If it is found that an acronym is chiefly used to refer to a particular subject, the article on that subject can be expressed as the acronym."
Judging from and Google, I'd say the acronym should stay. —LOL T/C 22:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation

As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Achievement in Draft articles

In older draft articles, there has been several highlights or bold texts that shows that a player have been selected to the Hall of Fame, an All-Star game, or an All-NBA Team. However, some different formatting occurred, for example:

In 1947 BAA Draft:
= All-Star
= Hall of Famer
In 1955 NBA Draft:
Names with asterisk had been inducted into Hall of Fame. Names in bold had been selected into All-NBA Team.
= All-Star

I would like to standardize these formatting so that there is consistency in every draft articles. Also according to WP:MOSBOLD, we shouldn't use the bold text. Therefore we need to assign another color for the All-NBA Team selection. If all the three achievements should be kept, I'm proposing the following formats:

^ Denotes player who have been inducted to the Basketball Hall of Fame as a player
* Denotes player who have been selected to both the All-Star Game and the All-NBA Team
+ Denotes player who have been selected to the All-Star Game
x Denotes player who have been selected to the All-NBA Team

Any comments or suggestions on this? Or any of you think these infos were excessive and should be deleted? — Martin tamb (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I like this idea. I've been wanting to standardize these draft article for a while, but haven't step up to do it.—Chris! ct 18:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that the hall of famer color should be the one used on NBA award pages (e.g. Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award)—Chris! ct 18:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Done, I've switched the colors. — Martin tamb (talk) 16:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Old NBA Game Logs (pre 1986-87)

Hello, I have done most of the work on the the five-by-five page, which is now merged with Double_(basketball). I used gamelogs from to get the five-by-fives listed but they only go back as far as 86-87 (and maybe 91-92 or something for playoffs). Does any one have older game logs? I have read an article saying there are at least 2 or 3 more five-by-fives not listed on our page, but I do not know who or when or what the stats were. It would be nice to complete the page with those. Thanks. StatisticsMan (talk) 14:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The APBR site has some old box scores. I don't think they have a comprehensive database, though. You might have to dig through old newspaper archives to find what you need. Zagalejo^^^ 20:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I am the one who merged every doubles into a single article: Double (basketball).—Chris!c/t 23:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I'll try that web site. I'm not sure, though, if newspapers will be helpful at all. I'm looking for 2 specific box scores, based only on stats and not on teams or dates and all I know is they are somewhere from 1973-74 to 1985-86. I don't know how many teams there were at all times during that time, but that's probably quite a bit over 10000 different games. I need a searchable database. StatisticsMan (talk) 00:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
A searchable database of said type does not exist. I believe that Olajuwon had another five-by-five at some point in the 1985-86 regular season, but I don't know when. I have searched through my own playoff logs and I can tell you that no such performance has occurred in the NBA Playoffs from 1985 to 2009.Hoops gza (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Josh Smith of Atlanta has an incredible opportunity at a five-by-five tonight. At the end of the 3rd quarter, he has:

22 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and 4 blocks.Hoops gza (talk) 01:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Someone (or perhaps a group of people) really ought to go back and use microfilm or whatever to complete the game logs on these basketball statistics websites. It wouldn't be that hard to do, the box scores exist, you just have to find the right newspaper archives at a college library perhaps and do the tedious work of filling out the scores. I'd be willing to work on that if other people wanted to get involved.

Manx17 (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Daughter articles for 2009 NBA Playoffs

Please have a look at Talk:2009 NBA Playoffs#Daughter articles about the re-creation of 2009 NBA Eastern Conference Playoffs and 2009 NBA Western Conference Playoffs that were previously AFD here and here on April 2009. Now that the playoffs are done and the article contents would not change much anymore, User:Howard the Duck has revived the discussion for the re-creation for both articles. — Martin tamb (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Key (basketball)/archive1

Please chime in. Thanks. –Howard the Duck 19:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Sortability of head coach list

Resolved: All done, thanks to all—Chris!c/t 06:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I think all of our coach lists should be made sortable. There is no reason not to do that other than arguing that all other head coach lists are not sortable. Here is an example of the Detroit Pistons head coaches list: sorting here compared to no sorting here. What do you all think?—Chris!c/t 23:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I noticed you probably copied my key from List of Minnesota North Stars head coaches, or coincidentally made the same exact key. Fine with me. Nothing wrong with having the tables sortable. We can still have those column spans for Fort Wayne Pistons and Detroit Pistons on the table; what we can do is to sort them at the bottom with sorting it to the bottom. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I think sortable lists would be an improvement. —LOL T/C 02:14, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

If you revamp a list, please list below so we can keep track of it.—Chris!c/t 02:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Lists that are now sortable

It looks like the most tedious part of the process is using {{sortname}}, and I would like to code up something to do that. Is there anything else I should do to the table, like replace " —" with "—"? —LOL T/C 04:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, can you do that? That would be nice.—Chris!c/t 04:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll work on it sometime today. If all of the tables have the same format, then it'll be quick. —LOL T/C 10:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I can do the sortname and   parts, but I'll leave the keys and headers to someone else because they look like a copypaste job. I'll get some more sortname's in later tonight. —LOL T/C 23:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I can deal with the headers and key. Thanks—Chris!c/t 23:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
FYI, you miss 2 names in the Philadelphia 76ers head coaches list. I fixed it, so not a big deal. Also, may I ask how you do the sortname thing? Scripts? Bots?—Chris!c/t 23:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for catching it; I've found the problem. For this task I use a script that outputs a text file on my hard drive so that I can copypaste its contents into my web browser. —LOL T/C 00:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

POV issue

FYI, a discussion has started Talk:Los Angeles Lakers#Lakers as a signature franchise.—Chris!c/t 02:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Player height in the template--"official" or "actual"?

I posted the following quesstion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball but perhaps it is more appropriate here:

I see a lot of edits where a player's height in the player template is changed without explanation or a cited source. Sometimes this is trivial vandalism, sometimes it's based on something else, and in some cases it can get quite contentious.

Without doubt, the height used in the template should be based on a cited source (for example But what of a situation such as Hakeem Olajuwon and Bill Walton, where a highly reliable source (in this case, a 1994 The New York Times article) reports that the listed heights for these players were intentionally misstated?

The skinny on Hakeem Olajuwon is that he was taller when he was Akeem Olajuwon. He used to be a 7-foot center, when he played for the University of Houston and for many of his years here with the Rockets. He never looked seven feet. In fact, when he played against the Boston Celtics in the 1986 finals, he appeared to be dwarfed by Bill Walton, who was listed as 6 feet 11 inches. Walton was 7-2, at least, but didn't enjoy the stigma that went along with it. Asked that year why he looked so much taller than Olajuwon when he was supposed to be one inch smaller, Walton said, rather testily, "The floor's warped." About the time Olajuwon corrected the world on the spelling of his first name, he also admitted he was closer to 6-10.[1]

My own inclination is that the height used in the player template should usually be the "official" height stated in the cited database (7'0 for Olajuwon, 6'11 for Walton); conflicting reports about actual height can be footnoted and/or discussed in the article (as is currently done in the Olajuwon article but not the Walton article). But the answer is not obvious. I'd appreciate opinions. --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is a common problem. User:LOL recently updated Template:Infobox NBA Player to allow for footnotes in the height/weight fields: [2]. (It appears that Template:Infobox NBAretired already allowed for such.) I think the main height listed in the infobox should be the official height, but, as you suggest, we should acknowledge discrepancies with a footnote (and if we need to go into more detail, we can discuss these things in the body of the article).
In addition, it might not hurt to rename the "Height" and "Weight" infobox fields as "Listed height" and "Listed weight". Zagalejo^^^ 01:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Suggested that almost a year ago on the lamest edit war at Yao Ming's talk page, bu tused the word "billed" instead, which is used on professional wrestler infoboxes like the one on The Great Khali's. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree that we should change it to "listed height / weight" per consensus on Yao Ming discussion. That would solve the problem of height inaccuracy.—Chris!c/t 01:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I just changed it. Any objection.—Chris!c/t 01:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

We need more people to watch our NBA bios

Could everyone please add a few NBA bios to their watchlists? It seems that, outside of the GAs and FAs, very few NBA bios are being watched by regular users. I just reverted eighteen edits by User:Rancher95, all of which were live for six hours or more. And these weren't edits to obscure players from the 1950s; we're talking about Michael Beasley, Adam Morrison, Shawn Marion, Kevin Garnett, etc.

Just because a bio isn't a GA or FA doesn't mean it should be ignored. This is a WP:BLP disaster waiting to happen. I would really appreciate if everyone could add like 5-6 NBA player bios to their watchlists. It would make a big difference. Thanks, Zagalejo^^^ 06:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I wonder why Kevin Garnett is italicized...? I'll just watchlist all of the current Lakers roster, plus the ones you've mentioned. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Just for emphasis. Thanks, that'll help. Zagalejo^^^ 19:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I will keep an eye on more bios, too. Sadly, a lot of vandals love to change the height and stats, which are hard to detect sometimes than ordinary "Kobe sucks".—Chris!c/t 21:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
We may also want to periodically check R95's edits because the user has been sporadically falsifying data since May. —LOL T/C 21:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we ID some teams that generally receive less watchlist attention? For me I look out for the Raps, the Spurs and most of the GA/FAs... Chensiyuan (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a disproportionately small number of watching the Celtics bios, considering that they're a high-profile team. The same can be said of the Magic. Few people seem to care about the Bobcats and Thunder, so more eyes would be helpful at those articles. Zagalejo^^^ 21:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
User:Rancher95 indef block—Chris!c/t 03:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Good. I had reported him to AIV earlier, but for whatever reason, someone removed him from the list without blocking him. Did you report him sometime afterward? If so, thanks for that. Zagalejo^^^ 04:54, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes!—Chris!c/t 23:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

<- Just added the Celtics roster to my watchlist--SPhilbrickT 21:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 21:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm watching the entire 50 Greatest Players in NBA history, plus many others.Hoops gza (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Kobe Bryant's 81 point game

FYI, someone created Kobe Bryant's 81 point game. This has gone to afd before and got deleted if I remembered correctly. Should I sending it to afd again?—Chris!c/t 18:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup, here's the original AFD: WP:Articles for deletion/Kobe_Bryant's 81-point game. I'm going to redirect it to what the result of the AFD said. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Larry Coon's Wikipedia page

Hello, I've recently added a Wiki page for Larry Coon. My experience in creating articles on Wikipedia is limited and if more experienced Wiki users who know that Larry Coon is one of the most cited Salary cap experts can expound on the article, that would be great. Thanks. DD2K (talk) 14:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome. The article looks good at first glance. Hopefully, you will stay and help write more article.—Chris!c/t 19:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Chris!. I hope people add to the entry and expand it. Thanks again. DD2K (talk) 20:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Double (basketball)

Hey, I am going to try to bring the above to GA status. If anyone want to help me, that would be great.

Note: if successful, the following users will also receive credit for writing/maintaining this article (or previous versions of this article): User:C.Fred, User:Myasuda, User:Dale Arnett, User:Zodiiak and User:StatisticsMan. The above list may not reflect the real contribution, it is merely my pov based on my own interaction with them. So, if I missed anyone, feel free to correct me. Thanks—Chris!c/t 23:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Now nominate for GA.—Chris!c/t 02:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Now GA! Thanks User:C.Fred, User:Myasuda, User:Dale Arnett, User:Zodiiak, User:StatisticsMan, User:Zagalejo and User:LOLChris!c/t 01:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of members of the Basketball Hall of Fame/archive1

If anybody has the time, the HOF list badly needs a review for FL status. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

All-time rosters

Right now I'm working on standardizing every teams all-time roster page in the same format as the celtic's. I know, I know: not a big deal, but it's been bugging me. Any help would be greatly appreciatedSportsfan92 (talk) 03:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

{{NBA all-time roster start}} is a template I made specifically for this. If you could implement it in the rosters you go through, that'd be great. Lately I've been focusing on other tasks with my limited spare time, but I'll try to help out.. —LOL T/C 04:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I add sortability to the template since it is an important function.—Chris!c/t 05:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thanks guys. I just took the Celtic's page and was replacing all the players. A template is a big help Sportsfan92 (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated Charlotte Bobcats all-time roster for FL. So far 2 questions have come up. Should the list be subdivide alphabetically? This seems unnecessary, since sorting will be affected. Should the team color be used for the table heading? Hopefully, we can resolve these ans establish a consensus on how to standardize these lists across the board.—Chris!c/t 20:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

It appears that consensus in the FLC indicates that the list shouldn't be subdivided alphabetically and color is unnecessary.—Chris!c/t 04:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest devising a format within the roster that distinguishes which players spent their entire career with one NBA franchise.Hoops gza (talk) 22:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Should Seattle SuperSonics all-time roster be renamed Oklahoma City Thunder all-time roster or should a fresh list be started and no more additions to the former?—NMajdantalk 01:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, nevermind. So should the Thunder roster be a fresh start from the beginning of the franchise or should it contain all the Seattle players? Otherwise, might as well redirect the Seattle roster page to the Thunder article.—NMajdantalk 14:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
They are one and the same franchise, so it should contain Seattle players. However, before proceeding, perhaps a special notation can be made to show players that only wore the "Sonics" jersey. Perhaps Sonics colors can be used for Sonics players and Thunder colors used for Thunder players. The number of players with overlaps between the team's two names can be counted on one hand.Hoops gza (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
According to the settlement agreement between Seattle and the ownership group of this team, the history of the Seattle SuperSonics prior to 2008 is shared by the Oklahoma City team and a possible future Seattle team. So, yes, the Thunder roster still contains all Sonics players.—Chris!c/t 04:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

2010 NBA All-Star Game

Could anyone have the 2010 NBA All-Star Game on your watchlist for a while? A random IP has been adding a section to deliberately promote a particular player for the game, which definitely violate WP:PROMOTION. The article is now semi-protected but recently another registered user began to add the section again. A help on watching this page is really appreciated. Thanks. — Martin tamb (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I've add it to my watchlist. The page is temporarily protected again, so this shouldn't be less of a problem.—Chris!c/t 20:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, really appreciated. — Martin tamb (talk) 07:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

NBA season durations

On the individual NBA season pages, sometimes the season's duration is listed for only the regular season and sometimes it entails the regular season and the postseason. This needs to be standardized.Hoops gza (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Is no one concerned about this except me? :/Hoops gza (talk) 06:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you clarify which pages you're talking about (and provide a couple of links for comparison)? Zagalejo^^^ 06:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
For instance, 2004–05 NBA season and 2006–07 NBA season have season durations that include the postseason, while the 2005–06 NBA season, 2007–08 NBA season, 2008–09 NBA season and 2009–10 NBA season have season durations that only include the regular season. I fear that this inconsistency may exist throughout the NBA history pages.Hoops gza (talk) 05:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, OK. I think we should include the playoffs in each season's duration. Zagalejo^^^ 07:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I suppose, although a separate page exists for every year of playoffs.Hoops gza (talk) 04:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't feel that strongly either way, as long as we're consistent. Feel free to do what you think is best. Zagalejo^^^ 05:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Standardizing NBA All-Star Game pages

I am working on standardizing the full box scores and info boxes for these pages so that there is a consistent format throughout the NBA All-Star Game history presented on Wikipedia. Thusfar I am done with the 1951 NBA All-Star Game and 1952 NBA All-Star Game. Among other benefits, these provide sortable tables that provide more information and are easier to read.Hoops gza (talk) 22:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

1953 NBA All-Star Game now revised.Hoops gza (talk) 23:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
1954 NBA All-Star Game revised.Hoops gza (talk) 04:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
1955 NBA All-Star Game revised.Hoops gza (talk) 05:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorting works incorrectly because of the bench heading in the middle. Should only have 1 heading and denote starters in a different way.—Chris!c/t 05:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I fixed 1951 NBA All-Star Game, all the other tables should follow that format.—Chris!c/t 05:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
It's a non-issue unless someone sorts the players, and I think it's much easier to have the starters and bench more clearly separated. I'd appreciate waiting to see what others think about this before changing it throughout.Hoops gza (talk) 05:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorting really is somewhat broken for the other columns when the bench is separated. For the version with the separated bench roster, if you click on the statistical columns multiple times, the numbers do sort eventually, but the totals row gets moved to the top if sorting from largest to the smallest. The bench heading also moves. Chris' modification is more compact and sorts with one click . . . and without the totals row and bench heading moving. — Myasuda (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

True. I will make the proper adjustments. It's just a shame since it looks so nice in its original form. I might come up with a better system of denoting starters, namely highlighting the rows for starters in a different color. Also might come up with a standard color to denote the game's MVP(s), though this is probably not necessary.Hoops gza (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

What about a simple small blank row, a la 1952 NBA All-Star Game? This will always sort to the very top or very bottom when sorting. It is rather negligible when sorting but still clear enough separation to distinguish starters from reserves in its unsorted form.Hoops gza (talk) 14:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
That still presents sorting issues. I think I'll try row highlighting.Hoops gza (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

1951 NBA All-Star Game, 1952 NBA All-Star Game, 1953 NBA All-Star Game, 1954 NBA All-Star Game, 1955 NBA All-Star Game, are all standardized.Hoops gza (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

1956 NBA All-Star Game standardized.Hoops gza (talk) 17:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Great idea to standardize the All-Star Game articles. However, you need a key to explains what's the meaning of the green and yellow highlight on the table, similar to 1953 NBA Draft. Also it's a good idea to have a legend similar to Template:NBA player statistics legend explaining all the meaning of MIN, FG, FGA, etc. — Martin tamb (talk) 07:27, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I think I've come up with a pretty solid system now.Hoops gza (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

1957 NBA All-Star Game standardized.Hoops gza (talk) 20:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
1958 NBA All-Star Game standardized.Hoops gza (talk) 20:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
1959 NBA All-Star Game standardized.Hoops gza (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Sheboygan Redskins (or Red Skins) categories

Should Category:Sheboygan Redskins and its subcategories be moved to Category:Sheboygan Red Skins? The main article is now at Sheboygan Red Skins, and I understand why; that was the way the name was rendered on their jerseys and in their logo. However, for some reason, lots of sources, like this history of the NBL, this book about the early years of basketball, this book about George Mikan, and the official NBA guide omit the space. Is it possible that the Sheboygan team used both versions of the name during their run? Does anyone know for sure? Thanks, Zagalejo^^^ 20:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I knew I move the page to Sheboygan Red Skins. But it seems like Redskins is one word.—Chris!c/t 20:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
As commonly used, yes, but there is evidence that the Sheboygan team used a space in their name for at least some purposes. Zagalejo^^^ 01:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
So, would you rather move the article, or move the categories? Zagalejo^^^ 06:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't really know since it seems both are correct. But they should be consistent.—Chris!c/t 06:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting to take a look at archives of local newspapers (e.g., the Milwaukee Journal) during 1949 and 1950 to see how the team was referred to in the press. University libraries often have such archives, if you're inclined to do a little research. In the meantime, one more data point: [3]. — Myasuda (talk) 14:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I've looked through some Chicago Tribune articles from the period, and they seem to use both versions (though "Redskins" was more common). But the local papers would be a more authoritative source. Zagalejo^^^ 03:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Denver Nuggets merge?

Hey. Just noticed last night that there are separate articles for both the Denver Rockets and the Nuggets. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these two the eaxct same franchise? As far as I know, the only thing that happened there was the team changed their name in anticipation of the ABA-NBA merger so they wouldn't have the same nickname as Houston. But, that happened before the merger, and otherwise the team continued as they had been. Seems to me that this is a clear merger situation. There may be others amongst the ABA team articles, such as the Dallas Chaparrals/Texas Chaparrals and the Miami Floridians/The Floridians where the team didn't move, it was just a name change. But the Denver example seemed the most egregious, and I wanted to see if others agreed.oknazevad (talk) 20:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the Denver Rockets and Nuggets are two names for the same franchise. No need for separate articles. — Myasuda (talk) 20:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Ill merge the Syracuse Nationals to the Philadelphia 76ers soon. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home
That one I'd hold off on. There seems to be something of a consensus that if the team moved, to keep an article for the former incarnation. See Montreal Expos and Hartford Whalers.oknazevad (talk) 18:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
In this case though, I think it's warranted, as previously mentioned. Doc Quintana (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Which case do you mean? The Denver one or the Syracuse/Philly one?oknazevad (talk) 14:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


The Template:NBA Drafts and Template:NBA Finals have recently been modified from their previous full-width version (here and here) into the smaller ones. I personally like the full-width version but I don't mind with the smaller ones. However, I think if the smaller version should be kept, Template:NBA Playoffs and Template:NBA seasons should also be changed into the smaller one. The other option is to revert the smaller ones into their full-width version. Any thought on this? — Martin tamb (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

IRC Channel

I have been thinking about this for a while, but I wonder if we could have an IRC channel here like some other wiki projects have. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

BTW, the Jerry West or 1971-72 NBA Season reverting is a good place to discusses matters like these. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

What is this?Hoops gza (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Read WP:IRC. It a chat room that many other wiki-project have. Instructions are here. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

Talk:Kobe Bryant

Should an admin semi protect? I am tired of the page getting vandalized. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

World B. Free's wife's name

Can anyone confirm that World B. Free's wife's name is Sandra? User: has been adding that to the article without a source, and I can't find anything online to back it up. Does anyone have access to a 76ers media guide, or something like that? Thanks, Zagalejo^^^ 00:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

And in case you were wondering, Audrey Johnson was not his wife. She was erroneously reported as such in some news reports. Zagalejo^^^ 00:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

A way to expand our season articles

A few days, ago I expanded two short season articles by adding a draft and all-star players. However, it was reverted. I think this is good way to expand our articles, even though it may be a little redundant. In addition, the draft and all-star games are part of the season. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

I agree that draft and all-star are part of the season, however, they have their own article, putting all the information on the season article would be redundant, but putting summaries and wikilinks to those articles would be fine, as can be seen in 2008–09 NBA season. Also the links to those draft and all-star game articles can be found on the templates at the bottom of the article. — Martin tamb (talk) 09:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
The NFL season articles have playoff brackets. Any objection to add does in? Leave Message, Yellow Evan home
It doesn't matter what NFL season articles have. We have our own standard which reduces redundancy in our articles.—Chris!c/t 20:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons game logs

Well, should I put the name of tje city of the team like at Template:2009–10 Boston Celtics season game log or the name of the team (like Lakers, Jazz), like at Template:2009–10 Atlanta Hawks season game log?

I created some seasons game logs, but I used the name of the cities, except with LA Lakers and LA Clippers... --GNozaki (talk) 01:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

All-NBA Team Featured List Review

I have nominated All-NBA Team for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.Barkeep49 (talk) 15:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


Does the scope of this project include players who played in the old NBL before it merged with the BAA? I'm trying to figure out if I should use {{Infobox NBAretired}} for someone who played for the Rochester Royals before they joined the BAA. Powers T 23:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I see no problem. He played for a team that is, a league change and three relocations later, still around. So he'd be fair game, I believe.oknazevad (talk) 00:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I think players like that should be in the project's scope, since several NBA teams trace their history back to the NBL. However, that particular infobox may need some tweaks to accommodate NBL players. I don't believe the NBL kept rebounding or assists statistics, but those two fields are required. (If you leave them blank, you end up with ugly {{{stat1value}}} placeholders.) Zagalejo^^^ 05:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Odd that they'd be required, isn't it? Do we have reliable stats dating back to the 50s? Powers T 13:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's too odd that they'd be required, as they are standard stats. That said, does the infobox template accept "N/A" as a value? If so, that'd be the easiest solution.oknazevad (talk) 14:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, apparently not so standard if the NBL didn't keep them. I'll give N/A a shot. Powers T 15:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
The NBA kept rebounding stats from 1950 onward, and has always kept assists statistics. (The per-merger BAA also kept assists stats.)
One other thing to note is that the stats section of the infobox says "Career stats (NBA and/or ABA)". That might need changing. Template:Infobox basketball player might be a little more flexible. Zagalejo^^^ 21:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
{{Infobox basketball player}} is not in wide use (in fact, it looks like it's used only on one article, for a WNBA player), and its documentation claims that it should only be used for NBA players anyway. Powers T 22:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, I suggested it because it's easier to manipulate than the other templates. You don't have to worry about the statistics. Here's a rough example of what you can do with it. (I do wish I could replace "Former teams" with "teams", but that's a minor drawback.)
If you're good with templates, you're welcome to design one exclusively for NBL players. Zagalejo^^^ 04:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Major errors in NBA Wiki statistics reporting

Just thought I would point out that the NBA player Wiki pages contain a systematic error in the reporting of player statistics so that all of the listed percentage values are incorrect. The values shown under the percentage columns are decimal fractions not percentages. As an example, Rajon Rondo's field goal percentage is listed as 0.505 %. This means that he has made about one field goal in about 200 attempts - clearly not true. The statistic is supposed to be 50.5 %. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorfungus (talkcontribs) 17:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Heard that before; but,,, etc. all do it. —LOL T/C 18:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


is Tyrus back in the house? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I says yes as Hoops gza (talk · contribs · logs) is exhibiting Tyrus-like behavior. Recently, he started inserting "greatest basketball player" to Micheal Jordan. Myasuda warn me a while back.—Chris!c/t 19:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)